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Cavaliers Notes: 15-0 Start, Jerome, Defense, Atkinson

November 18th, 2024 at 4:11pm CST by Rory Maher

The Cavaliers joined illustrious company after defeating Charlotte on Sunday, becoming just the fourth team in NBA history to open a season with 15 consecutive victories, per Jenna West and Jason Lloyd of The Athletic. The other three teams were the Washington Capitols (15-0 in 1948/49), the Rockets (15-0 in ’93/94), and the Warriors (24-0 in ’15/16).

Darius Garland (25 points, 12 assists, five rebounds), Ty Jerome (24 points, eight assists), Evan Mobley (23 points, 11 rebounds) and Jarrett Allen (21 points, 15 rebounds) led a balanced attack for Cleveland, which won by 14 points despite playing without star guard Donovan Mitchell, who was resting. As Lloyd notes, the Cavs have the best offensive rating in the league, having scored at least 130 points six times, which is a franchise record; they nearly accomplished the feat again on Sunday, finishing with 128.

The Cavs will face their biggest test of the season on Tuesday in Boston against the defending champion Celtics, who are 11-3, good for second place in the East.

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Head coach Kenny Atkinson complimented Jerome following Sunday’s game, writes Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com. “He’s one of our best players right now,” Atkinson said. “It’s always nice having another ball-handler out there so D.G. doesn’t get worn out.” For his part, Jerome said the victory was a byproduct of the team’s depth. “Just a deep, complete team,” Jerome said. “Kenny said after the game, ‘We go one through 18 and we’re 18 deep.’ Something we pride ourselves on.” The 27-year-old guard, who was limited to just two games last season due to an ankle injury, will be an unrestricted free agent next summer.
While their 15-0 start has been remarkable, Atkinson said he’s unhappy with how the defense has performed of late, according to Fedor of Cleveland.com. The Cavs gave up 73 points in the first half — and 126 overall — in Friday’s victory over Chicago, then 114 to Charlotte on Sunday.
Brian Windhorst of ESPN takes an in-depth look at how the Cavs’ offseason plans have paid off in a major way to open ’24/25. Atkinson, who was hired in late June to replace J.B. Bickerstaff, has implemented several changes, particularly on the offensive end, and has “total buy-in” from the team’s star players, Windhorst writes. “This is rare,” Atkinson said. “We just have this incredible chemistry and an incredible understanding and respect for one another. It’s beautiful to watch.”

Eastern Notes: Schröder, Thibodeau, Allen, Rivers, Horst

November 12th, 2024 at 8:26pm CST by Dana Gauruder

Dennis Schröder is playing some of the best ball of his career and he isn’t oblivious to the fact that he could be playing elsewhere at some point this season, the Nets guard told Brian Lewis of the New York Post.

“I’ve been in the league 12 years, and people have talked about my name in trade talks for 12 years. [And] I’ve been traded twice,” Schröder said. “… So [gossip] is going to happen. They use it as an event where they can promote who is on the block. I don’t really care.

“But I’ve bought into this system right now because they pay my checks, and I’m doing my job every single day, and I’m always professional about it, always going to make the most out of it. Get one percent better every single day. And whatever happens, happens. I understand it’s a business, but no worries here.”

Schröder, who is averaging 19.5 points and 6.2 assists per game, has an expiring $13MM contract.

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The Knicks depleted their depth with some blockbuster moves this offseason and coach Tom Thibodeau has shown a reluctance to trust his reserves, according to Stefan Bondy of the New York Post. In their last three losses, Thibodeau basically ran a six-man rotation in the second half with Miles McBride as the lone reserve receiving meaningful playing time.
The Cavaliers will look to stay unbeaten on Wednesday at Philadelphia but they could go without their starting center. Jarrett Allen is listed as questionable due to a lower left leg strain, Chris Fedor of the Cleveland Plain Dealer tweets. Allen appeared a little hobbled on Monday, according to Fedor, when he was limited to nine points, five rebounds and one block in 26 minutes against Chicago.
It’s unlikely that Doc Rivers is on the hot seat after the Bucks’ 2-8 start, considering Rivers received a four-year, $40MM contract after Adrian Griffin was fired in midseason, according to The Athletic’s Sam Amick. General manager Jon Horst is under pressure after a few disappointing seasons, and league sources told Amick that there’s skepticism he’d be given the leeway to make another coaching change this soon.

Jayson Tatum, Anthony Davis Named Players Of The Week

October 28th, 2024 at 2:47pm CST by Tristan Tucker

Celtics star forward Jayson Tatum and Lakers star forward/center Anthony Davis were named the NBA’s Players of the Week for the stretch of Oct. 22-27, the league announced (Twitter link). Tatum was the Eastern Conference’s winner, while Davis claimed the Western Conference award.

Tatum helped the Celtics to a 3-0 start to the season, which included blowout wins over the Knicks and Wizards. In his first three games, Tatum averaged 33.0 points, 6.3 rebounds and 6.0 assists while shooting a blistering 54.7% from the field and 48.6% from beyond the arc.

Davis has also shot the ball extremely well to open the year, connecting on a .571/.400/.800 line. He has helped the Lakers win against three playoff hopefuls this year, defeating the Timberwolves, Suns and Kings to remain undefeated. Davis is averaging 34.0 points, 11.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 2.3 blocks and 1.7 steals per game to open the year.

According to the league (Twitter link), the other nominees in the East were Cleveland’s Jarrett Allen, Charlotte’s LaMelo Ball, Philadelphia’s Tyrese Maxey, Orlando’s Franz Wagner and Atlanta’s Trae Young. Phoenix’s Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City’s Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Chet Holmgren, the Clippers’ James Harden and Ivica Zubac, and the Lakers’ LeBron James were nominated in the West.

Cavaliers Notes: Bickerstaff, Allen, Mobley, G League Draft

October 26th, 2024 at 5:07pm CST by Arthur Hill

J.B. Bickerstaff wasn’t emotional about his return to Cleveland Friday night, writes Tom Withers of The Associated Press. Bickerstaff served as head coach of the Cavaliers for more than four years before being fired following last season’s second-round playoff loss to the Celtics. He wasn’t out of work long, as the Pistons tabbed him to fill their head coaching vacancy in early July.

“I didn’t recognize these (remodeled) halls back here trying to figure out where to go, but that’s it,” Bickerstaff responded when asked about being back at Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse. “I know there is a deal to be made about it. But honestly, all we’re trying to do is get together what we have, get better every day and spend your focus there.”

Bickerstaff took over the Cavs after John Beilein resigned midway through the 2019/20 season. He compiled a 170-159 record and oversaw a rebuilding project that resulted in playoff appearances his final two years. However, he was frequently a target of Cleveland fans who questioned his rotations, game strategies and other aspects of his coaching philosophy. Bickerstaff predicted a mixed response before the game, and that’s what he received during pregame introductions.

“We did a hell of a job here from where we started when our staff took over to where we finished,” he said. “In any kind of rebuild situation, if you could ask for that to happen, every GM in this league, every owner in this league, every player in this league would sign up for it. We got better every year. Every year we went further, so we did the job we were asked to do and I’m proud of that.”

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Bickerstaff shot down speculation that he was criticizing Jarrett Allen for missing the series with Boston due a pierced rib he suffered in the first round, per Ethan Sands of Cleveland.com. After his dismissal, Bickerstaff appeared on a radio show and praised Luka Doncic for staying on the court despite injuries. Bickerstaff told reporters Friday night that his remarks shouldn’t have been interpreted as a shot at Allen. “Jarrett and I have a great relationship and always will, and none of the outside noise will impact that,” Bickerstaff said. “Those comments had absolutely nothing to do with Jarrett Allen. I love Jarrett Allen. We have a great relationship. … I would never say anything to slight him or question him, and I think that’s a lot of silly people that are just searching for something to be found who’ve got nothing better to do and looking for clickbait.”
Under new coach Kenny Atkinson, the Cavs are making a stronger effort to create scoring opportunities for Evan Mobley, observes Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com. It was evident in the season opener as Mobley took 14 shots and led the team with 25 points. “I’m just staying mentally in attack mode,” he said. “Always looking at the rim, always going to the basket, moving forward, looking to score and then looking for outlets after.”
The Cleveland Charge, the Cavaliers’ G League affiliate, made two trades in today’s G League draft (Twitter links). The first deal sent No. 3 pick Sean East II to the South Bay Lakers in a four-team trade in exchange for No. 5 pick Chandler Hutchison and a 2025 G League International Draft pick. The team also shipped No. 22 pick Trae Hannibal to Indiana in exchange for a second-round pick in the 2025 G League Draft (via Rio Grande Valley.)

Central Notes: Mitchell, Allen, Thompson, Bitim

September 30th, 2024 at 6:58pm CST by Tristan Tucker

For the first time in his Cavaliers tenure, Donovan Mitchell didn’t have to sidestep any questions about his future on Monday after signing a three-year, $150.3MM extension this offseason, Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com writes.

“From the minute I got here I told my mom, I think I was just like, ‘Yo, I really like it here,’” Mitchell said Monday. “For me it was just a no-brainer. I’ve known for a little bit that this was my decision. It’s finally good to have a media day where we’re not talking about where I’m going next. You can lay your roots somewhere that you actually want to be. I think that’s special.”

According to Fedor, Mitchell considered other options but had decided on re-upping with Cleveland by early 2024 before putting pen to paper this summer.

“It was kind of funny watching everybody say that this is how I’m feeling, but I knew,” Mitchell said. “I don’t want to call it a looming cloud. Every loss is like, ‘What’s going to happen next?’ It’s refreshing. I’m glad that we’re here and I’m excited to be here. You know where you’re going to be, where your feet are. It’s just a calming vibe. I can come in here now and breathe. It’s way more peaceful. I know where home is. I’m happy here.”

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Cavaliers center Jarrett Allen received criticism during his postseason rib injury, including from former teammate Marcus Morris, Fedor writes in a separate story. Allen took a sharp hit in Game 1 of the first round of the playoffs but brushed it off, underestimating the severity of the injury. The one-time All-Star continually appeared on the injury report with a questionable designation, but it wasn’t until after the season that it was revealed that the rib was actually broken. Despite his toughness being called into question, Allen brushed off all criticism, including that of Morris’s, stating that one can never understand how tough a rib injury is until they themselves go through it.
Allen, who signed a three-year, $91MM extension with the Cavaliers this offseason, spoke on Monday about why he decided to accept a new contract from the team with two years left on his existing deal, as Fedor writes. “I like it here,” Allen said. “I like the city. I like the people here. It’s easy to say in front of everybody just to hype everybody up, but I truly do genuinely like it here and I believe in it here. I’ve put in three years, three and a half years to try to see this team succeed and genuinely happy that they’ve put their trust in me for another whatever years.“
Pistons second-year forward Ausar Thompson is being held out of contract drills to start training camp, according to Larry Lage of The Associated Press. Thompson dealt with a season-ending blood clot in the spring and president of basketball operations Trajan Langdon said the 21-year-old is working through a medical process with the NBA and the players’ union. Thompson has been cleared for non-contact drills, conditioning, and strength training.
Bulls guard Onuralp Bitim underwent two surgeries to fix a detached retina in his right eye that he suffered in the team’s second-to-last game of the season, K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Sports Network tweets. As part of his recovery, Bitim said he had to sit on his stomach for 15 hours a day for multiple days. Now healthy, Bitim is battling Talen Horton-Tucker, Kenneth Lofton, Marcus Domask, E.J. Liddell and the two-way players for a spot on Chicago’s 15-man roster.

Cavaliers Notes: Mitchell, Allen, Goals, Rotation

September 28th, 2024 at 2:37pm CST by Luke Adams

Speaking to Marc J. Spears of Andscape on Thursday, Cavaliers guard Donovan Mitchell discussed a variety of topics, including why he was comfortable signing an extension this offseason to remain in Cleveland, his thoughts on the team’s decision to replace head coach J.B. Bickerstaff with Kenny Atkinson, and his expectations for the Cavs in 2024/25.

The Cavs won a playoff series this past spring for the first time since 2018, but Mitchell believes the club’s ceiling is much higher than another second-round appearance.

“We’re championship contenders when we’re healthy,” Mitchell said. “I feel like last year we grew in a lot of ways. We played a lot of different ways. Now during that (22-4) stretch we went on (from December to February), obviously D.G. (Darius Garland) and Evan (Mobley) were hurt. But we found something that really can help bring us to the next level. So now the trick is how do we continue to implement that style of play over 82 (games) and then the final 16 (playoff) wins.

“But the development, that’s part of the reasons why I decided to sign was because I believe in our development,” he continued. “I believe in the hunger and the will that we have as a group. And so, for us, I believe we’re cherished contenders when healthy. But at the end of the day, I can tell you this, we got to go out there and continue to prove it on a daily basis. We haven’t done anything.”

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Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com (subscriber link) passes along some of the most notable quotes from the pre-camp press conference that Atkinson and Cavaliers president of basketball operations Koby Altman held on Friday morning. Altman referred to the 2024 offseason – which included contract extensions for Mitchell, Mobley, and Jarrett Allen – as “a major success to extend the lifeline of this core” and agreed with Mitchell that a championship is a realistic goal with the current roster.
Altman also offered high praise for Allen when discussing his starting center’s new contract: “Jarrett’s immensely important to us. I think we’re almost like a .500 team when he’s not playing, which is remarkable. He’s the oldest 26-year-old you’ll ever find. It’s incredible that he’s 26 years old somehow, and this is his second extension. The first one was a five-year, $100 million extension that everyone was like, ‘Whoa, that’s a lot.’ It became one of the best contracts in the league. Now to extend him and tack on another three years, it keeps that continuity. He’s the core of our defense, super consistent. … To have him locked up for another five years is incredible. It speaks to what we’re building here.”
After winning a playoff series in 2024, the idea of “taking the next step” in 2025 was a key theme during Friday’s presser, according to Fedor (subscriber link). The team barely underwent any changes during the offseason, but the most notable newcomer – Atkinson – is confident that continuity and improvement from within will allow the Cavs to take another step forward. “I think continuity is a coach’s dream,” Atkinson said. “It’s a team that’s won 99 games in the last two years and I think the other important thing about that, it’s a young team so internal improvement is huge for us.”
Atkinson is open to using a deeper rotation than the Cavs did in 2023/24, per Fedor, who says that approach will please many within the organization who wanted Bickerstaff to deploy more than eight or nine players on a regular basis last season. “This is important just from my point of view, really celebrating our depth,” Atkinson said. “I think right off the bat you’ll see I’m going to play 10 guys. I’d even say 11. That’s very possible. We have great depth. How many rotation players do we have? I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, right? You never know. There’s a Richard Jefferson story. Richard was like a 12th man. All of a sudden Game 3 he comes out and hits three 3s. I embrace that philosophy.”
In a separate subscriber-only story for Cleveland.com, Fedor considers four important questions facing the Cavaliers this season, including how Atkinson will change the offense, whether Garland can recapture his All-Star form, and whether Mobley is ready to take a leap to stardom.

Contract Details: Kennard, Fernando, Graham, Allen

August 5th, 2024 at 2:14pm CST by Luke Adams

Luke Kennard‘s new one-year contract with the Grizzlies, originally reported to be worth $11MM, actually has a base salary of just $9.25MM, Hoops Rumors has learned. Kennard can also earn an additional $1,387,500 in unlikely incentives, so his deal can max out at $10,637,500.

That disparity between the reported terms and the actual terms is important, given Memphis’ proximity to the luxury tax line. An $11MM cap hit would have put the Grizzlies over the luxury tax line by about $1MM, but because Kennard counts for just $9.25MM against the cap, the team’s salary is hovering right around $170MM, a little below the tax line ($170,814,000).

Kennard, Desmond Bane, and Brandon Clarke have unlikely contract incentives that could make Memphis a taxpayer if they’re earned. Given how close they are to the luxury tax line, I’d expect the Grizzlies to keep a close eye on each player’s progress toward his respective bonuses and make a minor cost-cutting move by February’s trade deadline if necessary — finishing the season just slightly above that tax threshold would cost the team a significant end-of-season payout that’s only available to non-taxpayers.

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Bruno Fernando signed a one-year, minimum-salary deal with the Raptors. It’s non-guaranteed for the time being, but Fernando’s full $2,425,403 salary (and $2,087,519 cap hit) would become guaranteed if he remains under contract beyond the first day of the regular season, Hoops Rumors has learned.
Devonte’ Graham‘s one-year, non-guaranteed training camp contract with the Trail Blazers includes Exhibit 9 language, but not Exhibit 10 language, Hoops Rumors has learned. That suggests Graham probably isn’t planning to join the Rip City Remix (Portland’s G League team) as an affiliate player if he’s waived by the Blazers this fall.
Jarrett Allen‘s three-year, $90.72MM extension with the Cavaliers is a straightforward, fully guaranteed contract with no options on the final year and no trade kicker, Hoops Rumors has confirmed.

Central Notes: Allen, Pistons, Swider, Brown

August 4th, 2024 at 7:09pm CST by Dana Gauruder

The three-year, $91MM contract extension that Jarrett Allen signed on Friday gave the Cavaliers more flexibility if they later decide to break up the Allen-Evan Mobley frontcourt next season, according to Marc Stein in his latest Substack post.

Allen is eligible to traded on February 2 — four days before next season’s deadline. It’s believed that the veteran center was essentially obligated to sign the deal before August 6 as a condition of Cleveland extending him at the maximum amount, Stein adds. If he’d signed his new deal after Aug. 6, Allen would have been ineligible to be traded until the summer of 2025.

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In his Eastern Conference power rankings, Omari Sankofa II of the Detroit Free Press places the Pistons at No. 12 — ahead of the Hornets, Nets and Wizards. While Detroit endured its worst season in franchise history, it shouldn’t be the worst team in the conference next season after a series of offseason moves. Tobias Harris, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Malik Beasley should significantly upgrade the outside shooting, Sankofa notes, and Paul Reed adds depth at center. The team’s young core should continue to grow, particularly Cade Cunningham with more help around him.
Former Heat forward Cole Swider agreed to a non-guaranteed contract with the Pacers on Saturday. He could be in a competition with Kendall Brown for the 15th spot on the roster, Dustin Dopirak of the Indianapolis Star opines. Brown, who is also on a non-guaranteed deal, struggled with his perimeter shooting in the Summer League and committed 12 turnovers in five games. Swider, in contrast, played a key role in the Heat’s run to the Summer League title in Las Vegas.
In case you missed it, the Bulls reportedly haven’t halted their efforts to find a trade partners for Zach LaVine and Nikola Vucevic.

Cavs Sign Jarrett Allen To Three-Year Extension

August 2nd, 2024 at 1:22pm CST by Luke Adams

AUGUST 2: Allen’s extension is official, the Cavaliers announced in a press release.

“We couldn’t be more excited that Jarrett Allen chose to extend in Cleveland for the prime of his career,” president of basketball operations Koby Altman said. “Jarrett’s growth as a player, at just 26 years old, was accelerated when he earned his first All-Star selection in 2022. He is the anchor of our core group of players and his presence fits our vision for sustainable success. Jarrett also embodies the culture and values of our organization, and we look forward to achieving even greater things together.”

JULY 31: The Cavaliers and center Jarrett Allen have agreed to a three-year extension that will begin in 2026/27, when the big man’s current deal expires, agent Derrick Powell tells Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

According to Wojnarowski, the deal will be worth the maximum that Allen can receive on a veteran extension, which is just shy of $91MM over three years.

Players are permitted to receive up to 40% raises in the first year of an extension and Allen will make $20MM in 2025/26. That means he’ll earn $28MM in the first year of his new deal, followed by salaries of $30.24MM in ’27/28 and $32.48MM in ’28/29, for a total of $90.72MM.

Allen, 26, has spent the past three-and-a-half seasons in Cleveland, emerging as one of the NBA’s most reliable starting centers during that time. After starting his career in Brooklyn, he became a Cavalier as a result of the four-team blockbuster trade in January 2021 that sent James Harden to Brooklyn, then re-signed with the Cavs on a five-year, $100MM contract during the summer of 2021.

Allen was named an All-Star in 2022 and has averaged 15.1 points, 10.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists, and 1.2 blocks in 31.8 minutes per game with a .642 FG% across 252 outings (241 starts) since arriving in Cleveland. He established new career highs in PPG (16.5) and APG (2.7) this past season, but a rib injury in April ended his season early, sidelining him for the Cavs’ last eight playoff games, including the entire second-round series vs. Boston.

Allen is the third Cavaliers starter to agree to a lucrative multiyear contract extension this offseason, joining Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley. Cleveland will now have its top four players – Mitchell, Mobley, Allen, and Darius Garland – under contract through at least 2027 — Mitchell holds a player option for 2027/28.

While Allen has been the subject of some trade speculation in recent years – the Pelicans are known to have significant interest in him – signing this extension will make him ineligible to be dealt for six months.

Unless he waits until August 7 or later to sign his new contract, Allen will become trade-eligible prior to the February 6 trade deadline.

Eastern Notes: Bickerstaff, Allen, Travers, Bey, Sixers

July 12th, 2024 at 4:04pm CST by Rory Maher

It didn’t take long for J.B. Bickerstaff to find a new job after being fired by Cleveland, having been hired by the Pistons as their new head coach. At his introductory press conference on Wednesday, Bickerstaff discussed why he found Detroit’s vacancy appealing, per James L. Edwards III of The Athletic.

“It was my conversations with (president of basketball operations) Trajan (Langdon), to begin with,” Bickerstaff said. “I had a great feeling that this organization was heading in the right direction and was being led by the right people. For me, going through some of the things that I’ve gone through in the past, the people that you work with … being of a shared vision and willingness to commit to one another and partner with one another, I thought this group, as a whole, had a great vision. (team owner) Tom (Gores) has given every resource to go out and execute that vision.

“Then, obviously, you study the team. I took a deep dive as soon as I could. Obviously, I have experience of playing against them four times a year for so many years, but I knew the players well. I believed in their ability and talent. There is a steps process that we have to take, and we’re really aware of that and Trajan and I are united in that. It just doesn’t happen for everyone overnight.”

Bickerstaff pointed to his success with Cleveland as proof that he can turn the Pistons around, writes Larry Lage of The Associated Press. Detroit finished with the worst record in the NBA last season. Langdon said he was looking for a veteran coach to lead a young team, as Lage relays.

“You want somebody who can come in here and hit the ground running, and who’s done this before,” Langdon said. “Especially with a young team coming off a difficult season, positivity was important. We felt experience was important. The players needed to feel like the person coming in here knew what he was talking about.”

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The Cavaliers have been receiving trade inquiries on former All-Star center Jarrett Allen, but they continue to rebuff those overtures, ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said on his Hoop Collective podcast (YouTube link). Allen, who averaged 16.5 PPG, 10.5 RPG, 2.7 APG and 1.1 BPG in 77 games last season (31.7 MPG), will earn $40MM over the next two seasons.
Australian wing Luke Travers, a second-round pick (No. 56) by the Cavaliers in 2022, is dealing with a sore hamstring that sidelined him for the team’s Summer League opener in Las Vegas on Friday, tweets Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com. Travers has expressed a strong desire to come stateside in 2024/25, though it’s unclear if he’ll be able to earn a roster spot.
New Wizards forward Saddiq Bey will earn $6,440,678 in 2024/25, $6,118,644 in ’25/26, and $6,440,678 again in ’26/27, a source tells cap expert Yossi Gozlan (Twitter link). Bey will likely miss most — if not all — of his first season with Washington after tearing his ACL in March. The 25-year-old’s new three-year deal also includes $1MM in incentives.
Mike Sielski of The Philadelphia Inquirer argues that free agent signee Caleb Martin will bring a much-need infusion of “Heat Culture” to the Sixers, pointing to the 28-year-old’s success with Miami as evidence. According to Sielski, the 76ers have had plenty of talent in recent years, but the team has often lacked an identity, which Martin should help fortify with his willingness to make winning energy plays.
Former NBA forward Demetris Nichols has joined the Sixers as a player development coach, per Mike Waters of Syracuse.com (subscriber link). The No. 53 pick of the 2007 draft, Nichols appeared in 18 NBA games with Cleveland, Chicago and New York before spending several years overseas. The 39-year-old was an assistant with Wake Forest last season, Waters notes.