With an 8-25 record so far this season, the Nets currently hold the top spot in our 2016/17 NBA Reverse Standings. If Brooklyn remains in that position at season’s end, the team’s pick will be a guaranteed top-four selection, with a 25% chance of it being No. 1 overall. Nonetheless, the Celtics, who have the rights to that pick, will listen to offers for it, according to A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com (Twitter link).
General manager Danny Ainge indicated today that, while nothing is “close or imminent,” he has had some trade calls, per Blakely. This year’s deadline is about six weeks away, so Ainge has plenty of time to continue scouring the market and fielding inquiries.
The Celtics don’t technically hold the Nets’ first-round pick in the 2017 NBA draft, but they have the ability to swap first-rounders with Brooklyn, and given how the first half of the season has played out, they’ll certainly be taking advantage of those swap rights. Boston’s own pick – which the Nets would receive – currently projects to be No. 23.
If they were to deal away the rights to the Nets’ 2017 pick, the Celtics would be left without a first-rounder in this year’s draft, and the ’17 class is expected to be a deep and talented one. Still, Boston would be well-stocked for future years — the team owns the Nets’ 2018 first-round pick outright, and is owed first-rounders from the Clippers and Grizzlies in 2019.
The Celtics have been linked to a number of potential trade candidates already this season. According to multiple reports though, the team is intent on finding a deal for a star player, rather than settling for a complementary piece, so it makes sense that the Nets’ pick is in play. If Ainge and the C’s are unable to land that sort of impact player, they could circle back to someone like Andrew Bogut or Nerlens Noel closer to the deadline, but Brooklyn’s 2017 pick would almost certainly be off the table in that sort of deal.
Yo Divac I’ll give you the pick with Kelly, Jaylen and our 2018 pick (not Brooklyn’s) for Boogie
Not be a hater or anything, but I think Ainge is willing to move the pick only after being convinced that Sacramento won’t trade Cousins. With the Kings looking like the 8th seen in the West, I think Ainge’s finally convinced that Boogie is staying put. I don’t think he’d listen to offers from anyone else until Cousins is off the table.
So, maybe you don’t know this, but the NBA has this thing called the salary cap. To make this trade work, you’d have to throw in two of: Jerbecko, Crowder and Thomas to make this work. Still interested? (I don’t think Sac makes this trade anyway…)
This draft doesn’t have the “five” the Celtics need. Plus, there’s no difference maker in free agency, either.
Jaylen Brown isn’t terrible, but the Celtics would be doing much better if they’d’ve given that pick to the Sixers for Nerlens Noel.
Are you high? The Celtics would have been better off trading an athletic wing who can guard multiple positions under a cheap contract for years for a guy who is set to eat into their ability to sign a max free agent this summer an as RFA?
Also, this team doesn’t need a “five” as much as a scoring wing and someone not named Isaiah Thomas who can create his own shot.
As a Sixers fan, I’m totally into Noel for Brown.
The Sixers future would look pretty sweet with Embiid at center, Ilyaskova or Saric at PF, Brown at SF, Simmons at PG and anybody in the world at SG.
I wouldnt trade that pick at all, especially this draft class is loaded. Only time I would trade is for young established power forward or center.
Draft is loaded for guards. Celtics are already loaded at guards. Ainge at the same time has been afraid to make a trade for over 2 years now. Why do people think he’ll trade now. I have a sneaky suspicion if he was actually offered a deal for Boogie. He’d find a way to screw it up.
It’s actually loaded with a few positions…besides a true top notch center…
That’s idiot, what trade has he ever screwed up in the past. The only reason he hasn’t made a trade is because he hasn’t felt there’s been a good enough offer, but I’m sure you know a lot more than a GM/former player……
I keep wondering if the Sacramento Kings wouldn’t be a good match for the Celtics.
Crowder, Amir Johnson + 2 First Rd. Picks (the one from the Nets + one in a year or two) could be enough to land Cousins and/or Gay from Sac.
Now, I don’t know if it works from a money standpoint…. But it would give Sac a chance to move on from Cousins, get something in return for Gay and get a better team chemistry as well. For the Celtics, they have a team that on paper stacks with the elite of the NBA.
Also, I live in the Sac area, and this team the way it has been playing, I don’t think it will keep the 8th seed. If they play like they did last night….this home stand and road trip (6 games left at home, then 8 games on road) are probably going to break them and they will fall out of it.
They just get crap production from SG (Ben McLemore and Aaron Afflalo have both been terrible this year (inconsistent is the problem) and they have lacked health from the front court (injury issues with Omri Casspi who is vital to the second unit and it being successful) and Darren Collison has been slow to get consistency after his injury.
All teams deal with injuries…. Just a reality.
So….as a Celtics fan who lives in this market….. I can’t help but see this as a good match if Cousins/Gay leave and the Kings get a better all around team even if it won’t be a good team for a few years. The Celtics get a shot at another title because they will be on par with the talent of the Cavs or Raptors.
Again, salary cap. How do people not know about the salary cap? The trade works without Gay. If you add Gay, you also have to add several other players. Jerbeko is salary cap fodder that covers about half of it, then they have to add Thomas (obviously not happening) or two of Brown, Smart and Olynick. That’s a TON to pay for Gay. I don’t think the Kings move Boogie for Crowder and two first rounders (Johnson would have little value for Sac if they gave up on the playoffs by trading Cousins).
I do know about the salary cap, what I don’t know is the exact rules regarding trades and how close it has to be in money terms without looking it up. I didn’t want to do that, and I explained that even in my post.
Cousins or Gay would make the Celtics better, no questions about it. Yes, it might be a near impossible situation because of the money. I get that. That is why I didn’t try and do the salary matching part. It is just a “what if” scenario….. Not a gm actually trying to pull a trade off.
I am okay with you coming in and giving more information, that is a good thing. Just please….don’t be rude about it. Some of us don’t give a crap about following every little detail and rule of the NBA. We just like to enjoy the teams and games, and sometimes…. Talk about a what if scenario.
I think it is sunshipballoons who doesn’t understand how salary cap trades work. Plenty of options for Amir Crowder Filler for Cousins/Gay that don’t involve ANY of Brown, Smart, or Olynyk, let alone 2 of them:
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Plus, if they wait until January 15 (easy to do), they could include Zeller and keep Jerebko and everyone else if they wanted. Before you rip other people for not understanding something, it’s probably a good idea to understand it yourself.
Now, whether the Kings would be interested in any of this is another matter…
Grass is green. The sky is blue.
Meanwhile, I’m a Nets fan and I don’t see our team making the playoffs until at least 2025. The way that our former gm Billy King handled things just screwed the organization. The trade for Garnett, pierce, and terry was downright one of the worst decisions ever. Plus, our only real prospect is Sean Kilpatrick and we have Lin and Brook Lopez. Plus Bojan Bogdanovic has been playing well. But chances are our gm will trust trade kilpatrick for another 40 year old….
How is RHJ?
All Billy King did was pick up the phone. The owner had a gun to his head.
Yeah but Boogie is the best all around big man in the league right now and it makes sense to outsiders to think now is the time for Sacramento to trade him but when you are Sacramento’s front office….it’s tough to trade the best big man in the league
I think they should move him and Gay to start a rebuild but it would take the Celtics giving up both Brooklyn picks, and Brown and Smart
I don’t know if I would be so quick to annoint Boogie as the best all around big man in the league. I love Boogie, but I would say Anthony Davis is just as good, if not better, but without the attitude issues.
That is probably true
Crowder should under no circumstances be traded. Relatively cheap 3 and D guys are super valuable in today’s league Smart should be traded before crowder
Celtics and Sixers could still get something done if Going after Cousins doesn’t work
I’d say Brown and Rozier or Smart would get you Noel.
Sixers could use a solid PG and Brown fits their rebuild as a potential 3&D in the future
Maybe we could throw in the ’17Nets pick in a separate trade for Robert Covington too right?
All fans on these sites are the same
You want the world but won’t give up anything to get it
I agree Anthony Davis is very talented and not a head case like Boogie but fact is Boogie is a top 2 or 3 big in the NBA, Kinds won’t give him away
Noel should fetch Brown in a trade but I’m sure Ainge won’t make the deal
They seem content adding good young players and being good but not great
Noel doesn’t have that type of value. He’s a free agent this summer and will get severely overpaid, he recently has had a string of dnp and issues with the team, not to mention all the games he’s missed due to injury. Philly fans believe he rebuilt his value because he played a dozen minutes in a few games but he hardly grasped any boards or blocked any shots. He def doesn’t have the value to get Brown, that’s just comical.
No way Boston gives up any of those three for Noel.
Then they don’t get Noel
And won’t have run protection and won’t beat the raptors or cavs
They won’t beat the Cavs with Noel. Boston can just address their rebounding issue in the summer, most likely in Zizic. Or they could get somone like Bogut who most likely would put up similar numbers to Noel.
Brown is too much for Noel. Smart might have a little more value since he’s still under contract for another year. And in response to @Supercollider, Rozier is a good starting point for Noel. There is little point to keep Rozier with Isaiah Thomas, Bradley, and Smart all ahead of him.
After a decent start, this season, Rozier is back to being a “Iron Clank” shooter, in the best Stauskas tradition. You may be sure Ainge would like to unload this #16 draft selection bust for a Bossy The Cow salt lick.
That’s too much.
I think Cousins trade value takes a fairly big dip because of his past antics and character issues. Noel would be a nice fit on the C’s but only at a bargain rate. Rozier and a future 2nd is about as high as I’d go for Noel.
Draft Fultz and trade Bradley, who only has one year left on contract after this one
It a save bet their should trade go for the complementary players like Andrew bout or Nerlen Noel. They in need of true center anyway. Boston want a star player will they have one in Isaiah Thomas. I don’t think if there any team that want to trade their player at this point.
Trade marcus smart straight up for noel i mean if im the sixers i do it because if they dont they lack a pg and continue this logjam mess, then the celtics should just keep the pick and draft fultz
I can see Smart at SG to Simmons’ PG, along with a pick, for Noel. After all, Smart still cannot hit the broad side of a barn from three feet with a beach ball.
Smart is shooting near 50% from midrange this season and is at 31% from three. He’s not a great outside shooter but you need to check your facts a bit.
Ainge needs to start consolidating assets before its too late. Young talented players have a shelf life, and you can’t give all of them enough minutes or money to even keep their value as high as it was on draft night. What Celtic 1st round draft pick since Bradley could fetch a draft pick in this next draft equivalent to where he was drafted? Zero. Even before the draft, if recent history holds, the Nets pick is likely more valuable now than it will be on draft night. I’m not saying he has to trade the Nets picks right now, but it’s time to stop collecting pieces and start putting together the team he envisions (if he does envision one). The Nets pick, another 1st, and a high end young starter for a star is what the team needs. Not the best third string in the NBA.
Maybe the heat can trade Whiteside to Boston, who is looking for a big, or trade him to Sacramento if Cousins goes to Boston.
boston gives back brooklyns pick for lopez
he is an underrated big in nba ideal fit for boston and get Hayward next year for free
Hahaha!!! You are too funny!
I hope that’s sarcasm, or maybe your a Nets fan…..
Milwaukee needs to make move for this.
Delly and maybe another piece for the pick
Lol @ delly+ for a top 4 pick. Boston wouldn’t give up a top 4 pick for lopez either. Unless Danny gets a steal for that pick he’s not giving it up.
Players I would trade right now are Olynyk, Rozier, Zeller, (potentially) Crowder, Green, Jerebko, Yabu, Amir, Mickey, Young, Jackson. Any of the 1st’s except 2017’s.
Players that are core to this team that shouldn’t be traded: IT4, Horford, Brown, Bradley, Smart, Zizic.
in certain cases I can see Bradley/Smart being traded.
Spot on Dan
Although I still think the ’17 pick should be packaged for a star, but probably won’t due to lack of them available. I think they make room to add Hayward in FA. I don’t know their cap situation but have to believe they want to lock up Avery Bradley.
If they get a top 4 pick you have to believe they target one of the top 2 PGs if available, so Smart should be available after the lottery is set. Maybe swap him for Noel
Potential 2017-2018 lineup could be
Horford
Crowder
Hayward
Bradley
Thomas
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Noel
Lonzo Ball
olynyk
Brown
Not to mention they have other solid role players that could be packaged to upgrade
They would seriously contend in East
With the likes of
The only thing with this is that they already contend in the East. That line up wouldn’t take the #1 seed. Something needs to happen at the deadline/draft night if they are taking the #1 seed next year or atleast be on the same level as the Cavs. If not then this “rebuild” will take another 3 years. I would LOVE to get Emiid… but that’s a pipe dream.
Crowder should under no circumstances be traded. Relatively cheap 3 and D guys are super valuable in today’s league Smart should be traded before crowder
There are definitely circumstances where Crowder can be traded. Especially if its a package for a star player/better than good Big. If they can get a trade for a double double machine without trading the nets pick(s) and signing a max contract in the offseason; 2018 will be the year. Just getting a Double/Double center right now would make them #2 in the east above the Raptors and could challenge the Cavs for ECF. An enforcer in the paint would go FAR for this team.
Brooklyn Pick, Jerebko, and James Young
for
Nerlens Noel + Laker’s Pick
Celtics lose enough salary this offseason to retain Noel.
Sixers immediately waive both lol. This would ensure that the Sixers FINALLY get their PG of the future. Maybe come away with Markelle Fultz & Josh Jackson.
Depending on where the lakers are at the end of the season I can see this trade or something like this happening on Draft night. However, would the Celtics really want to drop out of the top 5 picks just for Noel? They can do better than this even thought this draft is deep.
Boston needs star players, they need to just draft Fultz, Jackson, or Ball and fit them in. Philly already has had a top three pick the last three years, they don’t need another.
Philly needs a PG. This draft is stacked with guards.
I hope to god the Celtics don’t trad 4 Noel, He is injury prone and I think he is a head case. I would love to see them get Boogie and Gay that makes them as strong as the Cavs and Raptors. But I bet they get Boogie at the deadline which would be huge.