3:23pm: An Anthony trade involving the Knicks and Rockets is “at the two-yard line,” a source tells Stefan Bondy and Frank Isola of The New York Daily News. It’s not clear exactly how close the teams are – presumably not as close as if talks were “at the one-yard line” – but as ESPN’s report below indicates, both the Knicks and Rockets are motivated to complete a deal if they can find a scenario that appeases all involved parties.
10:17am: The Knicks and Rockets have explored Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios that would include up to two other teams in a possible four-team deal, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN (Twitter link). However, while New York and Houston are both motivated to get something done, no agreement is imminent, according to Wojnarowski.
Since the Rockets’ acquisition of Chris Paul two weeks ago, Houston has been frequently cited as a potential landing spot for Anthony, with the Cavaliers viewed as the other viable suitor for the veteran forward. The Rockets appear to be more aggressively pursuing a deal at this point, but a match between Houston and New York is tricky.
For the Rockets to move enough salary to accommodate Anthony’s oversized contract, the team would almost certainly have to part with Ryan Anderson, who will earn more than $19.5MM this season. Anderson’s contract has three years left on it though, with cap hits of $20MM+ in 2018/19 and $21MM+ in ’19/20, and the Knicks have no interest in taking on that sort of long-term money for a veteran.
For a Rockets trade for Anthony to work, at least one other team would likely have to get involved to take on Anderson’s contract. That club accommodating the salary dump would require at least an asset or two for its troubles, and Houston has already traded its 2018 first-round pick, so it will be tricky to find a deal that makes three teams happy. A four-team deal, which would likely involve more players and picks, would be even more challenging. As such, we shouldn’t necessarily expect quick resolution.
Earlier this week, we identified the teams with cap room remaining — I’d expect the Rockets and Knicks are trying to engage several teams on that list. However, the Lakers have since committed their space to Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, while the Hawks have cut into their room with a deal for Dewayne Dedmon.
If the Rockets can reach a trade agreement for Anthony, the longtime Knick is expected to waive his no-trade clause – and perhaps part of his trade kicker – to make the deal work.
Rockets need Melo, Paul lets Harden get back to being a the god like scorer he is and Melo would make them top 3 in the West.
They already were top 3 in the West…
Not without Melo they aren’t.
Who is the other team ahead of them? You have the Warriors, Spurs, and ???? It’s not the Clippers, Jazz or Thunder. So yeah, the are already top 3 in the west.
Thunder are better then the Rockets without Melo, with Melo the Rockets are elite.
Ummmm, with melon the Rockets are not elite! What has Melo done in New York? Very overrated player!
You’re a blind thinking Melo is overrated. NY has been trash ever since he’s been there. Who can he turn too for help over these years in NY? Wake up & stop hating on a man that never had help. Amare was always hurt & then who?….. Don’t gimme KP because he just finished his 2nd year & they were already a mess
Yes the Knicks have done a terrible job of building a team but part of that was Carmelo’s fault when he basically allowed the Knicks roster and future picks for him instead of just waiting to sign with them in the offseason. In the end the Knicks were dumb for giving that much up but Melo is equally to blame for the failure.
I agree that Thunder’s moves have them much improved, however Rockets were already elite last season, and yes adding CP3 makes them even better. Even if they don’t fit perfectly, the fact that they can always have one of the two on the floor when the other sits will make them better over 48 minutes. Rockets are elite as is regardless of how you feel about OKC
Thunder are NOT better than the Rockets. The end.
Paul George and Westbrook will be better than 2 ballhog guards. Rockets need another star for this to work
paul george is overrated. russel will continue to play for his own benefit. and the rockets are better than the thunder even without carmelo. paul and harden are better than russell and george. then the rockets have two good centers in nene and capela, along with ryan anderson and eric gordon coming off the bench or havin. a starting position
Both teams aren’t great as of right now.
Houston dumped its depth to get CP3 and it will likely cause them troubles down the road.
The Thunder will never get over the middle of the pack as long as Westbrook is so ball dominant without elite support players. And no PG13 is not a support.
Totally agree. The depth doesn’t seem important in the tabloids. But CP3 is on the down slope of his career. That will rear its head beginning this season. Not to mention all the games he misses due to injury.
1-Warriors
2-Spurs
3-Rockets
4- Clippers – will be actually be better
5 Timberwolves
6 Thunder
7-Grizzlies
8-Mavericks
I’d go along with that list except for the Mavs. Wolves may be 4.
Wolves
LOLOL. Rox had third-best record in the West, added CP3.
“Houston isn’t top-3.” LOL. This thread made me laugh.
Get the Nets in on this, they could use a few draft assets for taking on Anderson.
Houston can give you some tasty 2nd round picks.
Picks are picks and at this point the Nets have very few.
I think the Nets would be pretty happy to have Anderson too, would only sweeten the deal for them to get some picks too.
Melo to Rockets
Anderson & Courtney Lee to Pistons (reunite with Stan Van Gundy)
Jackson (Det), Leuer (Det) and Ariza (Hou) to the Knicks
Maybe move a draft pick or two around and you’ve got a deal.
Pistons starting lineup would be awfully competitive (Drummond, Harris and Anderson up front, Bradley and Lee in backcourt). Rockets get their 3rd wheel. Knicks get their new starting PG in Jackson and Ariza coming off the bench for 1 year.
Deal works financially per Trade Machine.
awful trade. Knicks are already getting rid of Melos salary you wouldn’t be able to move another big one in the same deal with lee
Knicks aren’t getting Ariza in this deal. They wouldn’t give him up in the Paul trade, they’re not doing it for Melo. It’s Anderson they want to replace.
Very different circumstances. Clippers had to take what they could get because they had no leverage. Knicks don’t have to trade Melo. Sure they would love to but that doesn’t mean they will just take whatever for him.
The big difference is that Paul doesn’t play the same position as Ariza. Bringing in Anthony would without a doubt make Ariza a lot less necessary in Houston.
Nor does Melo. In Houston’s offense, Melo is a 4. The larger point is that Ariza is NOT a throw in any deal, as he’s still an elite defender /passer /floor spacer. He was the 2nd most valuable player on the team with the 3rd best record in the league. His defense on bigger wings is essential to them competing. On the flip side, his age means he has little value to the Knicks. A lose-lose to include him.
No one said anything about him being a throw in. The Rockets do have to give up SOMETHING to get Melo.
We’ll see. I say no way they’re giving up Ariza, and no way the Knicks want him (other than to flip). Straight up Melo for Ariza (even if possible) makes Houston a worse team.
I know Pistons fans want them to unload Reggie, but with this trade the Pistons get older (something SVG has avoided), more expensive (which they can’t afford b/c they’re up against a hard cap), and less productive all around. I don’t see the advantage unless Detroit is getting a first rounder, which nobody is giving up in this deal.
They already were top 3 in the West…
What draft picks do the knicks and rockets even have to deal? Would like to see the Bulls try to get in on this if the drafts picks were worth it
same
Bulls are too stupid to get in on something like this…their front office is inept!!!
The focus should be on draft picks (even if remote), more than cap space since Mills clearly doesn’t know how to use cap space. If THJ and Baker moves represent Mills’ talent evaluation acumen, then Knicks are in trouble either way.
I don’t think Ariza will be traded because he is reportedly one of the reasons why he wanted to go to Huston was to play with his former teammate.
Melo to Houston
Anderson and Courtney Lee and a first round pick to Broolyn
Lin, Hollis-Jefferson, Carroll to New York
I think Houston would have to move one more player for that to work.
Why would the Knicks want toxic waste. Lee (reasonable contract) is fine. Melo should bring something, but Melo for zero should be easy (Houston just needs to pay a cap space team to take Anderson for whatever they need to do).
Melo to Rockets. Anderson and Rockets 2020 lottery protected first to 4th team. Deng, Clarkson, LAL 2020 lottery protected first rounder to Knicks. 4th team sends 2019 and 2021 unprotected 2nds to LAL.
You really think the Knicks will take on Deng’s contract. lol
It’s only got 2 years left and could be an enticing asset as an expiring deal if they can find a player they want more. Just a thought.
It has 3 years left
Already had that conversation with someone below.
Just do the deal with the 4th team. Knicks better off with 26 mm in cap space (and nothing else) vs Deng / Clarkson / meaningless remote pick.
Well Clarkson is ok and Deng isn’t a long term commitment. I just don’t see what else they can get. I guess I’d rather had Clarkson/Deng/Pick than Ryan Anderson knowing I wasn’t going to compete for awhile.
Deng has 3 more years on his deal
Well then forget what I said that’s a terrible trade for them lol
I didn’t realize that I thought they just wanted it gone sooner since they wanted space next offseason.
Rockets get Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get Malik Beasley, Kenneth Faried, Emmanuel Mudiay
Nuggets get Reggie Jackson
Piston get Ryan Anderson
It’s nowhere near great but it’s one of the only ones I could even think of. The Pistons are looking to compete and could use another forward after trading Morris. The Knicks Get young players who will play more and (in Mudiays case) a change of scenery. Detroit unloads Jackson and the Nuggets get a passable point guard, and the Rockets obviously get their man.
So Denver, who added Milsap this year in efforts to compete, are going to move Faried and Mudiay and get back Reggie Jackson? Why?
It makes sense on paper but it’s an overpay. Jackson is a starting caliber PG with upside, and Faried is a surplus and Mudiay just doesn’t have much value currently. If Detroit sent a pick their way too it’s feasible,
Faried isn’t a “surplus” in the sense that he’s 3rd on the depth chart. He’s an important rotation piece signed to a below market contract. At his age he’s an asset for a better trade. He will be the C/PF backup and probably see 25-30 minutes a game. as for Muiday he’s only 21 and too early to call him a bust. If his value is low and his salary team-friendly then why sell low on a former top prospect?
Both players may have reason you guys THINK he might be expendable but what about Jackson at 3/$51 makes him a better fit for them. I don’t see it. Seems the Knicks and Rockets are the only teams that benefit from this deal.
If Plumlee resigns, then Faried isn’t going to get anywhere near that amount of minutes, and might be 3rd string. Mudiay is going into the 3rd year of his rookie contract, and appears blocked from significant play time (which he needs to develop) due to Murray’s emergence. In short, its precisely the right time to sell on both Faried and Mudiay (unless you want them as insurance and are prepared to take less with each passing month). But I agree Jackson is not needed or an asset. They need help on at the 3.
Cus Faried isn’t really gonna play and Mudiay is a bust
Make it a 7 team trade and it would work: Carmelo to Houston in exchange for Anderson…and the other 6 teams involved can figure out the rest.
Really the best. Just take Anderson and a remote 2020 1st, with the NGCs. NYK can figure out what to do with Anderson later. 7 mm in cap space, a decent pick and an easier contract to deal with going forward (even with the extra year).
ATL: Evan Turner, 2018 POR 1st Round Pick
HOU: Carmelo Anthony
NYK: Moe Harkless, Tim Quarterman, Shawn Long, Isaiah Taylor, Chinanu Onuaku
POR: Ryan Anderson
Atlanta gets a pick for the salary dump. Houston gets Melo. New York gets a young, hometown kid to slide into the small forward spot and non-guaranteed contracts. Portland upgrades at power forward.
No. From Portland’s perspective, just do the Atl deal (if they would, don’t think so). No use for Anderson; like Harkless. The other teams will need cap space, not be insanely deep in the luxury tax.
Portland would probably like to trade Evan Turner’s contract and Ryan Anderson would be a great fit for them, but I think if they trade Turner or Harkless it’s to clear some salary, not bring in another highly paid player. Btw Portland doesn’t have Tim Quarterman anymore, traded to Houston for cash considerations.
Oh wow didn’t even realize the Knicks are getting him from Houston in this proposed deal lol i’m dumb
Rockets get Melo.
Celtics get Andre Drummond.
Pistons get the Nets pick, Ryan Anderson, and possibly another pick.
Knicks get Jae Crowder, Jordan Mickey, Demetrius Jackson, and a future Rockets pick
Celtics just got Arron Baynes, who carved out playing time from Drummond.
I don’t think you understand how cap space works. You can’t trade Crowder and some minimums for Drummond without cap space and the Celtics have barely any
If Melo goes, Hardaway Jr. Is slated to play Small Forward.
Unless Lee also goes and they get a SF back
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Pistons get 2019 rockets first ryananderson 2 Knicks 2nd rounders
Knicks get Drummond
Rockets get melo
Not enough for Drummond and the Knicks don’t even have a use for him.
4 team trade
Rockets get melo
Nets get Ryan Anderson and trey lyles
Nuggets get Courtney lee,
Knicks get Kenneth faried, Malik Beasley, Isaiah Taylor, Tim quaterman, Trevor booker
Houston Rockets, Knicks, and 76ers
Houston gets Melo
76ers get Ryan Anderson and Onuaku
Knicks get Eric Gordon and Jalil Okafor
76ers get some picks as well as a scorer in Anderson to pair with Embild and Simmons and Fultz and Reddick
Knicks get a young asset in Okafor and a scorer in Gordon plus some picks
Houston gets Carmelo.
HOU- Melo
NYK- Monroe + Vaughn + HOU 1st 2018
MIL- Anderson
????
How does this help the Bucks?
Gets them some outside shooting but still keeps them in salary cap “hell”
Yeah don’t see Milwaukee taking on more salary.
Oh wait don’t they have to extend Jabari and Giannis soon? If they know they can’t add an impact FA next offseason I would take this except Milwaukee gets the first and it can’t be 2018 because that was sent to the Clippers as part of the Paul trade.
This trade is damn near impossible because neither of these teams really possess any assets outside of their stars. Demonstrated by the fact that the proposed trades on this comment thread are even dumber than usual. Its going to take someone dumb enough to take on Anderson’s contract and really not get that much in return for it.
Thoughts on this trade idea:
Rockets get Melo.
Knicks get Kanter, McDermott and Isiah Taylor.
Thunder get Anderson,
Knicks get a C that can free up Porzingis to play PF at times and move outside. They also get a good young player in McDermott. Taylor is just a throw-in for salary purposes.
Thunder owe Adams $22 mil per starting in 2017/18. Paying Kanter $18 mil per to be a back up doesn’t make sense. Anderson might be limited but he instantly becomes the Thunder’s best 3pt shooter with a career 38% shooting from the 3 including his 40% from last year on 7 attempts per game.
Thunder can roll out:
Westbrook/SG/George/Anderson/Adams
No way your problem isn’t going to get you assets like that you will be lucky to get ride of melo and deserve nothing of value back for him at his age and his contract.
Since when is Kanter or McDermott positive “asets”? McDermott, at best, is unreleased potential. Kanter is a good player but he’s an expensive backup who can walk next year or stay for another. I just mentioned that Adams is about to start earning 4/$100 mil. Paying Kanter 3/$54 to be a redundant player doesn’t make sense.
This idea that Melo is a “negative sunken cost” is a joke. Does he play defense? No. I can name about 12 guys on all-nba teams that aren’t known for their defense either. He is still a legit 20 pt/8 rebound/35% 3pt/83% free throw SF/PF. Put him on a legit playoff contender and you’ll see what he still has left playing motivated.
I like that trade, but NYK has to get a first from Houston or a 2nd from each team, just to get something else of a little value.
From a leverage standpoint I don’t think the Knicks can afford to posture for picks. If they get it, then fine but the Knicks are the ones desperate to trade Melo and have a very limited options (2) of teams to trade him to (since Melo has the no-trade).
Kanter has been on the block since OKC reluctantly maxed him out (knowing Adams would be as well). McDermott was a contract dump. OKC isn’t taking Anderson for Kanter due to $$/years, as they’re right at the luxury tax line. But, they should try to convince Melo to come there with Westbrook and PG and Knicks to take Kanter and an expiring deal and maybe a remote pick. I do it on both sides.
OKC needs an outside shooter and Anderson is a prolific one at a position they have an opening.
If you’re at the 2 yard line, just hand the ball off and the trade gets done. DONT THROW IT
They could just go the simple route of Melo to Houston and Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, and Tim Quarterman to the Knicks. The Knicks would have 3 years of Gordon, but at a lot less money per. The Rockets could probably add a draft pick or the rights to an international stash (Hartenstein?) to get it done too.
The Knicks could also potentially flip Gordon at the deadline since his stats would be inflated a bit since someone has to score for the Knicks.
But what if they are stuck at their own two yard line?! :)
Why are the Knicks making this so complicated? Just make a fair trade involving Ryan Anderson and the make a second trade with a separate team to dump him. This isn’t rocket surgery.
Melo to Rockets
Anderson to Magic
Both of Magic existing Centers to Thunder
Kenter and so on to Knicks
Hey ladies, I’m new to this but tell me: who would bark at this deal:
HOU gets Melo
NYK get Powell and Matthews
DAL gets Anderson and Ariza
Why?
Houston get their superstar. Sure they have to give up Ariza, but he’s on an expiring contract anyways and they should be able to sign some SF vets for the min.
Dallas gets rid of Dwights and Wes’ Albatross contracts and adds lots of spacing + they can still sigh Curry in 2018
NYK gets two high character guys for their rebuild and can open a new chapter. Dwight still has upside too. Cap wise, the net difference will be 10m for Dwight in 2019/2020 – that’s it.
The trade works financial wise according to espn trade machine.
What would this trade not work? Do we need to add any picks?
The entire reason why the Knicks are moving Melo is to open cap room and get younger, not take bad contracts like Matthews. Why bother with Dallas when they can just take Anderson’s bad contract then…
In comparison to Matthews vs Anderson, Matthews’ contract is a year, maybe 2 shorter. Matthew’s earns $17 mil in 17/18 but the 18/19 is a player’s option whereas Anderson’s is 3 years guaranteed.
Ryan Anderson on a 10-12M deal okay not bad, 19+ is terrible esp for 3 years. He’s too soft and too Kevin Love-lite.
Knicks need to begin looking at ways to dump Hardaway’s contract. Knicks free agent signings can be considered charity.