10:55pm: Adam Himmelsbach of the Boston Globe tweets that a source close to him said the Cavs and Celtics would attempt a renegotiation before rescinding the deal, should it ultimately reach that point.
10:13 pm: Following the results of Isaiah Thomas‘ physical, the Cavaliers are “weighing their options” with completion of the Kyrie Irving trade, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN tweets.
Earlier this week, the Cavs and Celtics agreed to swap Irving for a package involving Thomas, despite the fact that the C’s guard was forced out of last spring’s postseason with a hip injury.
As is customary, the trade is contingent upon players passing physicals with their new teams and it’s here where things appear to be hitting a possible snag.
Per Celtics executive Mike Zarren in a question and answer on Boston’s official site: “A trade is not officially complete, and no player may suit up for his new team in a game or practice, until all players report to their new teams and pass a physical exam.”
Wojnarowski adds in another tweet that a source involved in the process says that the C’s and Cavs have found themselves in a “very sensitive situation.”
In a feature published earlier today, Bleacher Report’s Ric Bucher discussed the lingering impacts of Thomas’ hip injury. In July, the guard opted to let the injury heal without surgery but uncertainty about his recovery remains.
“We all have the numbers when a guy gets hip surgery,” a league executive told Bucher. “They’re not good. Now what if he’s not right and needs surgery anyway? That is not nearly the same trade.“
What came out in the physical?
His hip is not right…yet.
Celtics might have to add another pick.
Celtics fans are looking for their duct tape and fire extinguishers rn
I didn’t own a Thomas jersey but I sure as heck wouldn’t burn one. It’s a disgrace. It’s not his fault he got traded, we should appreciate what he did here. He played in a playoff game the day after his sister died, he dropped 53 in a game. You can argue about whether or not he’s worth the max, or if he’s an all star, but give him the respect he deserves for his heart and passion for the game and the city.
That’s why burning jerseys is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.
I’ve burned my Red Sox hat every August for 35 years…. except for three times.
I assume because each year they didn’t win the World Series, you’d burn it? Lol
There would be the promise of another season, and this and that free agent, and 1st place in July, then the annual August swoon. Old time Sox fans know what I’m talking about.
That’s $20 to 35 you could’ve donated to a charity organization. But well if that’s your tradition (lame one) it’s your money and your business…
Your comment is lame.
Dude, did you just read the comment above? Burning a cap every year. How lame is that ? Anyways you’re probably an enabler as well.
Dude can do whatever he wants with his hat, snowflake.
(Grabs popcorn, takes seat, and with wide eyes, waits for the impending drama).
Geez freakin’ Louise can you just imagine the awkwardness if the trade falls thru and Kyrie ends up in training camp?
Plus Boston gets screwed over since IT won’t resign anymore
He wants max and Boston is smart enough not to give it. So I would say thats not even an issue.
Butter or no butter?
What kind of question is that
For the popcorn
I’m with Grant. Is no butter even an option?
Cavs fans are already pretty salty so
I bet Cleveland deals him to Phoenix if this trade falls through
2nd thoughts about the trade hahahahaha
Not at all haterade. This is just typical Danny Ainge dirty pool. He got caught, now they’ll figure it out. Koby Altman probably knew that, young and new enough to take his chances to get what he really wanted (Tatum). Interesting to see if it works.
He got “caughy” doing what exactly? Everyone in the NBA knew about the IT’s hip.. Even Stevens said publicly the Monday before the trade v that they wouldn’t know where IT’s hip is at until he has a scan in September… So I really don’t get where you think Danny was being dirty in this situation.
Shhhh…don’t make sense. You’re confusing people with facts.
If Thomas is out the Celtics still have enough.
1. Include Brown or Tatum
2. Include the nets pick and the Bostons 1st round pick
3. Include Smart and Ojeleye.
So cavs get smart, ojeleye, the nets and boston pick, and brown
They keep IT and Crowder and get Irving.
Um that is a terrible trade lmao. Try brown and Tatum nets pick and crowder. Both brown and Tatum are unproven keep in mind. Now Boston will have to find another way to trade IT for something….
No way they trade Brown, Tatum, Crowder, AND the Nets pick…That would be highway robbery for the Cavs…
Unproven does not mean they come at a discounted rate…They were both early, top 1st round picks, and both Tatum and Brown carry significant value…As they should, they are both extremely talented, young players…Unproven or not..
The trade should go through as is, this is just Cleveland posturing, hoping to possibly somehow get more out of Boston…If Boston stands their ground, then the trade will most likely go through as previously constructed…
If Boston is ultimately forced to budge, they may decide to add their own 1st round pick, if they really want Kyrie that bad, but that’s it…If Cleveland demands even more, then I’d tell them good luck finding more elsewhere, and Boston should rescind their offer..
You keep making it seem like Boston is in the driver seat. IT has said he felt disrespected by Boston for being traded, no way he signed long term there if sent back. While you can ramble on about being high picks with potential they don’t equal the proven talent kyrie is and has yet to enter his full prime. Brown was okay last year his numbers weren’t even as good as Brandon Ingram, Tatum could be good but it’s hard to tell. Losing IT in this trade means they would be assuming a huge risk in trading an all star pg for a what if. Boston is skrewed right now because they knowingly sent damaged goods and now said player is coming back. Cavs still have options bucks and suns.
Right now a backcourt of Brogdon and Middleton looks pretty sweet, even if Middleton is all mouth hanging open. A mid-low pick and maybe Henson.
No Irving toying with the defender, no Thomas pinballing around? And Ainge knew this would happen. Just void it all. I’m not dialing in for a Marcus Smart offense.
Oh to heck with that.
No way am I including Brown or Tatum. I’d MAYBE include Smart, but that’s a huge maybe. I’m not compromising more of the future just for Kyrie.
Adding Tatum and Osman to the deal makes sense. That would even things out since IT is damaged goods.
I say throw in just smart. That way the cavs have a decent backup if IT gets injured and when rose does as well. Plus the celtics 2018. I don’t see it being worth much.
Then the C’s are left with no defensive minded guards and only Larkin as a backup point guard they will just add a draft pick to it there is no way ether team can afford to nix the deal so they may and another 1st and 2nd or a few 2nds the cavs can’t take on anymore more money without shipping something out
What a bind. The Cavs need someone from Boston they can move for a quality PG, or at least a guard who can handle. Obv Bledsoe counts. Miami and Portland have surpluses at G and might be interested in Brown or Tatum.
Thomas should be returned to Boston for his sake.
IDK what the rules are for this.
And I’m a Celtic fan who absolutely loves Isaiah Thomas. Him coming back is worst case scenario. It isn’t because I necessarily prefer Kyrie, but if he fails his physical, there is a reason. If he isn’t healthy enough for a trade, he won’t be healthy enough to play for Boston.
I bet that his long-run injury is to his psyche; he can’t do starter’s minutes or collect that Brinks truck… but that he is still a good backup. We will see. The only certainty is that drama will ensue!
Threeway fix with Phoenix.
Returned to Boston, Thomas; from Bos, Smart to Phx, round1 pick to Cle.
To Phoenix, Smart and Frye (Smart would be good cohort to Booker, marking the best guard; Knight is missing the season…
Frye expiring, hometown, and Phx has no big with range.)
To Cleveland, Bledsoe… and Cavs must use Zizic, the Boston-owned, and own picks to resupply C position to replace Frye.
Thomas can sift back in without pressure since Bostn retains Irving. No moaning about Smart as he is now a shooting guard who can’t shoot. Zizic could be returned too for LAL pick instead of another one.
Or, Thomas is okay, everyone okay, I’m okay you’re okay. k
This is a terrible trade for everyone accept Boston. No way do they keep IT and kyrie lmao. Cavs are gonna ask for Tatum or brown in order to keep damaged IT.
Okay, Cavs do not need Fs, but Brown or Tatum can easily be moved.
There is no way they move crowder and brown/Tatum…
If anything, just throw in the Celtics first.. it’s going to be a late first round pick anyway.. imo, giving the nets pick unprotected was dumb to start with.
Everyone knew IT was damaged goods, why cavs are throwing a fit now is questionable to me.
Offer rozier and keep smart.. I’m not a huge smart fan, but rozier is just eh.
This was hard to read as to and from were mixed in each section… but Bledsoe from suns for smart and frye? No way suns do that
I should have used a better format… or any format! The Suns are dealing Bledsoe though, eventually, and maybe would have by now if they weren’t teased by Irving. And their bigs are little more than big.
Isn’t that why the Cavs signed D Rose?
For 2-3 MM, he is not assumed to be durable.
The Cavs should just take it. Crowder, Zizic and that pick make for a good haul going forward so I would assume they wouldn’t throw away a defensive upgrade, a young guy with good upside and a lottery pick because of a questionable IT with one cheap year on his contract.
This. The Cavs aren’t going to do any better at this point.
Well if they can get Milwaukee to slightly up the Brogdon, Middleton, first rounder offer, I’d take that.
Agree. I think the Cavs would’ve accepted this trade with just IT and the Brooklyn pick… Crowder was a great add for them, but he and Zizic were their to make the salaries work.
But then if the Cavs take this deal, everyone is going to turn around and say the Cavs are idiots for taking an injured IT. Crowder, Nets pick, and Zizic is no where near enough for Kyrie. No GM would ever make that trade straight up. The whole point of trading Kyrie was to get a good starting point guard back. An injured IT complicates that.
This trade is not going backwards. I would cause too many issues on both sides. I think the Cavs are just trying to squeeze the Celtics for more. They knew that IT had the hip issue. It’s not a revelation. He’s a FA in a year and is likely to leave Cleveland with Labron likely out at the end of the year. Even if they renegotiate it won’t be more than a draft pick or two.
I think Cleveland wants to secure the future of their franchise and get more young players and picks from Boston. Cleveland went ahead and accepted the trade when they knew IT wasn’t fully healthy and of course they will have to go through a physical process to get the trades approved and if IT’s hip is worse than they thought which they may assume then they can ask for more. Or give IT back and take back a younger player. I wouldn’t take Smart cuz he’s just a goofy dude who’s a big flopped! He may be a good undersized defense player but he’s not a 2 way guard cuz he can’t shoot. Some games he may get hot and he has the worse FG% for a guard in the NBA! I think if the cavs wants the Net’s pick bad enough then they will go ahead and accept the trade then again we don’t know where the pick will land plus Nets upgraded their team this offseason so I can see their record improving since they are in the east conference and could be the top 9 or 10 in the east if they play well. If that happens then the pick will just be a high pick than a top pick. If it was me and if IT isn’t fully healthy then I won’t take him did what you gonna do with him? You don’t trade a healthy player for an injury player who may be out longer than expected, that don’t make sense! Cavs still has Rose and may even get Wade if he gets brought out. If Boston wants Irving that bad then I can see them trying to improve their offer.
Celtics might have to add Tatum, and take Thomas back
How can Thomas go back?
I doubt he will be happy to back to where he started.
This could be a disastrous trade.
PS Maybe, there’s a chance the Sixers could come in and save the day!
You all are crazy. There’s NO WAY Brown or Tatum are included in this deal. That would be a horrible deal – trading controllable assets for 1 year of Kyrie. Ainge did not pass on trading those high picks for arguably better players to leverage the future now. IT will be going to Cleveland. It’s now a matter of what else will be included. Likely, it will be a draft pick, or a bench player not named Smart. You all think Boston is screwed in this deal – don’t forget that Kyrie wants out of Cleveland and they want that #1 pick to replace him. There’s motivation on both sides to make a sensible deal work. After this season, Cleveland is not paying IT the max, so this deal is about the draft pick and the future.
Kyrie has two years on his deal, not one. I think the situation is worse for Boston, because IT didn’t want to be traded, so him going back would be a disaster. Kyrie wanted to be traded, so this wasn’t a shock to him, so coming back isn’t ideal, but not damaging. Boston will need to sweeten the deal in some way. Not sure what that looks like, but something will be added. The CAVS might actually have some leverage.
The inclusion of the Nets pick made this deal an overpay for Boston with a healthy IT. With the hip injury it’s a fair deal. I predict no change to the deal.
My guess is that many of the folks burning jerseys (of both Thomas and Irving, along with James a few years back) are the same reactionary chuckleheads that we have seen on the news (real or fake ;) ) burning and destroying things in recent months.
Assuming Thomas stays in the deal, a future first (the Celtics’ own, the Memphis, or the Clippers pick) would be enough. A Crowder/Zizic/Nets pick package is not nearly enough for Kyrie straight up. If the actual price for a superstar player with term left on their contract was a high first round pick, a solid rotation player, and a international lottery ticket then superstar players would be changing teams left and right. Anthony Davis would’ve been traded months ago if that was the actual price for him.
The whole point of Thomas’ inclusion in the deal was so the Cavs are able to get a starting caliber point guard back. While I agree that a healthy Thomas makes this a slight overpay for the Celtics, an injured Thomas does not make the rest of the deal equal in terms of value. Considering what has happened, I can’t see Thomas being sent back to Boston so I don’t see another valuable player (Smart, Brown, Tatum) being sent back to Cleveland unless Cleveland also parts with a semi valuable player. So a future first (maybe with top 10 or lottery protection) should be enough.
The biggest loser: IT. If he can’t play…bad hip…no big payday coming from anyone. He skipped surgery….
How about this? If the Cavs are concerned, then void the deal. Everyone goes back to their respective teams. Boston keeps the Nets pick and between that and the Laker’s pick, they draft a point guard next season and IT walks and they’re still a contender in 2018 and beyond. What does Cleveland have after LeBron leaves? Cleveland needs this deal as much, if not more, than the Cs do.
Coming from a Boston fan, that’s that’s the smartest comment yet.
The deal has to be voided. To bad for all involved. Back to the drawing board.
So the player won’t recover? What is the argument? He is a start and he will be fine…
You guys act like IT would just disappear and refuse to play for Boston if the trade is voided. Who do you think he is, Kyrie?
Take the Boston package without IT and have Boston throw in smart and another first round pick
Cleveland concerned IT will miss significant time. Nothing to fix here. Unfortunately for both sides this deal must be voided.
If he even arguably needs hip surgery, then Cavs have to void the trade. So, why discuss? Maybe it’s less than that. Or maybe it’s so awkward to void it that they at least want to appear as if they’re trying to save it. Another pick isn’t going to save the deal if IT isn’t in it. This may be the last year this franchise can legitimately compete for a championship for another generation (they obviously feel they can do that either PG, but not with remote draft picks).