We’ve reached what is generally considered the slow point of the summer, and while there are still some free agents available on the market, there’s really only one domino left to fall to wrap up this offseason: the resolution of the messy, public deterioration of the relationship between the Sixers and Ben Simmons.
Today’s news that Simmons doesn’t plan to report to training camp kicked off a fresh frenzy of speculation, with beat writers for multiple teams, most notably the Kings and Timberwolves, exploring those teams’ respective chances of landing the three-time All Star.
The Kings currently hold the best odds of landing Simmons, according to MyBookie.ag, at +275, followed by the Wolves (+400), the Warriors (+550), Blazers (+900), Spurs (+1200) and Wizards (+1900). Meanwhile, PointsBet has the Kings and Blazers at +150 each, with the Warriors at +250.
As befitting a player as complicated to build around as Ben Simmons, there are tricky questions facing each of his prospective suitors.
The Kings are desperate for a move that significantly alters the trajectory of the franchise, but are reportedly unlikely to include De’Aaron Fox or Tyrese Haliburton in a deal. That leaves Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, and possibly this year’s ninth pick Davion Mitchell, as well as future picks, as the foundation for a deal.
Hield’s shooting would undoubtedly help the Sixers, as would Barnes’ all-around game, but both offer similar skillsets/roles to Seth Curry and Tobias Harris, respectively. Bagley is only a few years removed from being the number two pick and has flashed some interesting potential, shooting 34% from three this season while being an athletic rim roller and rebounder at 6’11. But his defense remains questionable and his overall game hasn’t progressed much in three years, partially due to a series of injuries that have kept him from getting a rhythm.
Mitchell, on the other hand, offers something the Sixers could desperately use. A tenacious defender with the ability to hit pull-up threes or function off-ball, thanks to his time playing alongside Jared Butler at Baylor, Mitchell could hold interest for the Sixers. But is he ready, as a rookie, to be the main point guard on a team with championship aspirations? At 22, he’s more ready-made than some rookie point guards, but that’s still a tough ask, as well as a tough sell for cornerstone Joel Embiid.
The Wolves could put together an interesting package, with D’Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Beverley, and possibly Leandro Bolmaro as pieces that could go into a deal. If the team were to trade Russell, Beasley and picks, it’s not hard to see the appeal of surrounding offensive star talents Karl-Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards with lockdown defenders Beverley, Simmons, and McDaniels. Not to mention, McDaniels, Beverley, Towns and Edwards represents the most shooting Simmons would have been surrounded by in his career.
But is it enough? Theoretically the shooting and playmaking of Russell, combined with the shooting and attacking of Beasley, fit what the Sixers need, but it’s hardly the king’s ransom Morey has been asking for. Bolmaro is an interesting, but unproven piece, and the Wolves have their first-round picks moving forward. Wolves president Gersson Rosas also has a longstanding relationship with Morey, having worked under him for years with the Rockets.
The Warriors are perhaps the most interesting team on this list, as they have both the contracts and the young talent to make a deal work. Andrew Wiggins and Draymond Green are both making upwards of $24MM per year, while James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, and even young breakout wings like Jordan Poole and Juan Toscano-Anderson could be interesting trade chips.
Now, it’s almost unthinkable the Warriors would trade Green, and with Harris at the power forward spot, it’s unclear how much the Sixers would value him. Wiggins, Wiseman, one of their other young players, and future picks might not be the prettiest package for the Sixers, but there is clear value to Wiggins manning the small forward spot in Philly, and to adding depth on the bench. The problem is that would leave the Sixers without a starting point guard, which would likely necessitate a third team entering the mix.
The Blazers could see Simmons as the move to keep semi-disgruntled star Damian Lillard in the fold, though outside of CJ McCollum, Portland has little by means of assets. It’s also unclear how much a clean McCollum-for-Simmons swap would significantly change the Blazers’ trajectory, and the fit with newly-acquired Larry Nance Jr. isn’t the cleanest.
The Spurs have a good amount of solid young players, but none with the blue-chip luster that the Sixers would likely be seeking in a deal. Additionally, outside of Dejounte Murray, another poor-shooting defensive guard, and Derrick White, none of them are ready to be key members of a championship run.
Lastly, the Wizards have an interesting collection of talent, but the Sixers are unlikely to get Bradley Beal in a trade, and almost all of Washington’s other appealing players are young big men, with the exception of this year’s 15th pick, Corey Kispert. Any trade of Simmons would mean the team’s top two players are a center and a power forward, meaning it’s unlikely they would be interested in any of the Wizards’ combo forwards.
There are undoubtedly going to be more teams that enter into the discussion as the bidding war heats up, but we want to know what you think. What team is going to end up with Ben Simmons? What will they give up for him? And most importantly — will Simmons give his new team the bump they need to get where they’re going?
Take to the comments to let us know!
Yes
Kings are favorite
Wolves are second
Kings are top aggressive Because Wolves are not included Edwards and DLo is the best friend of Towns
Kings and Wolves are both mentioned among his prime destinations here along with a couple more under the radar teams: link to prosportsoutlook.com
According to every website,
Simmons wants to play for 3 california teams – Warriors, Lakers and Clippers
Lakers have no picks, they have to offer a house of old men
because Westbrook is not available for trade
Clippers have no pick
Can offer Ibaka, Morris and Luke Kennard
Wild, wild, wild
Simmons can want to go the Moon, but it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t have a no-trade clause so he will go where he is sent. He has way too many years left on his contract to force a deal to a desired destination.
Lol. That’s silly. No team would acquire him without knowing he wants to play there.
Seriously, just because a player doesn’t specifically have an legal rights doesn’t mean his desires aren’t taken into account.
Of course if you’re a bench player you’re going to do whatever it takes to stay in the league. But simmons is not a bench player and makes far too much money to be handled that way.
I’m guessing you don’t have any LEGAL protection from having your employer order you to clean the toilets if they wanted to. But they wouldn’t do that if they wanted to keep you, would they?
You sure about this? The Raptors and Thunder are prime examples of teams making big trades to acquire star players, kawhi and pg13 respectively, despite the known desire of both players to play in LA. The Sixers will take the best package, plain and simple. Simmons is under contract to play basketball. He can either do that or not, it’s up to him. The Sixers can’t force him to clean toilets coz it’s not in his contract. My employer can’t force me to clean toilets either because I have a contract to perform very specific duties. I do have legal basis to reject the request and cannot be terminated, it’s called breach of contract. If I were an at will employee to a private organization, then yes they could ask me to do things that aren’t in my job description…but private at will employment is very different than professional contracted employees
All those teams are in play. None of those packages are. The 6ers have zero leverage, and the fact they couldnt find a deal they could stomach suggests the league just doesnt value Simmons that high.
Also making salary work on so many of those deals is not easy. In a bunch of circumstances packages of players you talked about require like 50M in returning salaries for GSW package for instance.
One for one plus some amount of future picks is probably the best offer out there.
The two LA teams are non-starters.
Kind of surprised Indiana isn’t mentioned. They offered Brogdon earlier this summer, and outside of Fox he might be better than every other guard mentioned in the article as possibly heading to Philly.
I’d definitely take him over Russell
Yup. The sixers have backed themselves into a poor negotiating position. An equal trade was never going to happen and now it looks even worse for them. If they can get a couple of good players that fit and a raft of picks that would be a decent outcome at this point.
Then the league is garbage son if this kid is already a 4x all star. Go back to watching your favorite g league team.
The 6ers not finding a deal they could stomach isn’t a reflection on how the league views Simmons,it’s a reflection on the 6ers asking for Wiggins,Wiseman,and a boatload of picks.And it’s also a reflection on the 6ers currently failed gamble that a Dame or Beal would request a trade.
As long as multiple teams are interested,they have leverage.Letting it go into the season wouldn’t be ideal,but it would give them a chance to see how Maxey,Milton,Reed and Joe handle bigger roles,as well as how Springer handles the NBA and how Niang and Drummond fit into the roster.Other players could become available,other teams could get involved.
I hope it’s Sacramento
Let’s say Big Ben is worth $1, Kings and Wolves can offer $0.65
Not even that, no one will offer more than 50¢.
Why? I wouldn’t even offer Buddy Hield straight up for him. I need more in return.
Id gove them Hield or DRuss.
But Fox. Haliburton, & Edwards are off the table.
Simmons is garbage, and now doesn’t even have the fake fans in Philly to protect him
Enter Memphis as a dark horse. Anderson, brooks and jackson for maxey and Simmons
I was going to mention the Dark Horse Factor. But I really can’t think of who specifically. Kind of like a Charlotte or Orlando or Utah. Some team not mentioned yet.
Grizzlies sound good but I don’t think they want to break up their youth.., I think they’re on a nice roll forward and up the way they are.
Quick side note someone here mentioned that Jaren Jackson Jr isn’t quite someone to lean on as a star for the Grizzlies considering several different factors. Maybe he is a big enough piece for the Sixers to be intrigued? Grizzlies might be willing to deal JJ for Simmons?
@Gary
Griz have Morant obviously. Why bring in Simmons and mute one of the 2 things he does well? pass and defend. Not a good match.
If Jackson were a guard yes.
But pairing him w Harris and Embiid seems awkward.
And not sure Simmons and Morant make sense either.
This is the issue with Simmons—he’s the opposite of plug and play
This is the key
If Kings trade Fox for Ben, Kings won’t make playoffs next 3 years
GM will be fired
If Wolves trade DLo for Ben
Same thing happens
I still think Ben stays in Philly…but either way, whatever team he ends up on will be a playoff team
If no Rich Paul, you are right.
Two years ago
Daryl Morey traded Chris Paul when his value was all time lowest
Now
Ben Simmons value is all time lowest, ……
@Sillivan
What does Rich Paul have to do with this? As an agent, he’s earned his money and holds no financial gain for a trade. And while Philly is no NY or LA it’s a bigger market than Sacramento or Minneapolis. I imagine Ben has created more of a headache for Paul than wanted. Paul works at the behest of his client. He doesn’t dictate where the player wants to play. But in this case, as with AD, he has to play the heavy.
@KnicksCavsFan
Rich Paul is more than an agent. According to Bloomberg, Paul has established “Rich Paul rules”, which means what he says is what he means.……
every GM respects him and Adam Silver respects him.
Powerful
@Sillivan
I agree with you and it’s well deserved. I just didnt get the connection of why you brought him up. Paul will so as Simmons demands.
Chris Paul didn’t have a major shooting deficiency like Simmons. People can blame Morey or anyone else on the Sixers, but only Ben can put in the effort to improve his shot.
There is no way I would want Simmons on my team. His lack of effort and a shot make him untouchable (in the negative sense).
So if he gets traded to the Kings or Wolves they’ll make the playoffs?
Even with Simmons neither of those two are playoff teams. At best they might be the #10 seed and lose during the play-in tournament.
At least you agree that he improves both teams! That’s a start. Ben basically improves any team he is on
lmao ben Simmons is garbage.
I really don’t get why anyone would want him
Sure give up garbage Buddy Hield or something for him, but 6ers are good because Embiid..
Simmons is worthless
A 4x all star is garbage lol go back to following the g league son.
Being on a popular team can make a ok player an all star. Klay almost was this year and didnt play a single game. LMAO
Hard to say with certainty either way. First we have no real idea if he will get traded, 2nd we don’t know what the outgoing pieces might be…but yeah, he instantly improves any team he is a part of. It’s not like he was not an all star (again) and all defensive player (and the new tweak to foul rules is only going to make him scarier on D), on the 1 seed in the East…yeah he makes any team a playoff team or better IMO
If you just add him to a team in a vacuum sure he is a above replacement Bballer. That is also true of Wiggins, Fox, Russell, and maybe players like Kuminga in the future. Does he improve every team no matter the cost? You have to factor in what your giving up for him, and Morey’s ask is way way higher then Simmons value period.
Above replacement Bballer? 4 years= ROTY, 3 x all star, 2 x all defensive team. Sounds slightly (not sure if this is a troll reply???) above replacement Bballer level and a few levels above the guys you mentioned. I imagine (you can research it if you want to learn) the list of guys who have accomplished that is very small indeed. His value among coaches and players is much higher than among genius fans and media.
Lower than it has ever been in his career. Every team is worried about him mentally. Dude has mostly been valued so high for a while because he was young enough people thought he could fix his shot. They have been floating breaking up him and Embiid for a better fit for years now. They for sure put him on offer for Harden. If your such a good player unless your a total locker room menace your team makes you untouchable. Everyone in the league knows these things, and Simmons may have been shopped harder on the low key that only they know about.
I can’t see him staying. This is bigger than just the on court issues; the fan base has had enough of Simmons and management is well aware of this. I expect a deal to happen days before training camp; Morey is going to wait until the end to try and get the best offer. I believe that only Sacramento has the assets necessary to make it happen. If they’re not involved, it will likely take three teams to make it happen. If Maxey is involved in the deal, the 76ers will regret it for years.
Wiggins, Poole, 2 more scrubs, 2 Future firsts. That’s it. Keeping Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman. Can’t have them.
That’s probably not enough or the correct package so my guess is he winds up in Sacramento.
What if you include Draymond?? What’s interesting in they are both represented by Rich Paul.
Yes your fans will totally tolerate you trading a future HOF who helped lead your team to 5 straight finals, was drafted by the club, and will probably retire playing his whole career for one team. I mean why wouldnt that happen? Also your going to totally get Steph on board with trading his running partner for a broken project with the yips…
Broken project? Yikes. I’m not a Philly fan, but some of these takes about Simmons are wild. I get not wanting to gut a team to get him, but the guy is a player – if not a shooter, obviously – and I’d take what he brings to my team.
Passing open dunks at the rim, and being afraid to touch the ball in the 4th are way different from being a ok FT shooter and a poor 3pt guy.
Pitchers get the yips cant find the zone. Sports psychology is a thing for a reason. He is more of a project and more of a question mark than at any other point in his carrier.
So would most GM’s, coaches and players. This was among the best comments in this thread
W’s traded the “soul” of the team and Finals MVP for salary cap reasons. We can always bring Draymond back later once he’s bought out. :)
No you can’t. Players can’t resign with a team that traded them if they are bought out by a new team.
Not in the same season, but you can always bring him back couple yrs later ala Iggy.
You act like Draymond doesn’t have one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Green will be even harder to trade after next season than Wall once he has proven that he’s fully recovered after missing two straight seasons. If only the NBA had a comeback player of the year.
I saw Drays defense last year he is earning his money even if his shot never comes back. Dray is also unable to be fully unleashed on scoring and assists until Klay and the extra spacing return.
Dude was a key part of why the franchise is worth as much as it is now. Joe can afford to pay Dray after all the money he has made off him.
Wiggins + the future second were owed + plus 2027 1st lottery protected. Take it or leave it Morey we aint bailing you out of your self made mess.
Also I think everyone is discounting just how mentally broken Simmons might be at this point. I dont think you could get any team to part with a major package unless they see he can at least still be the player he was in the regular season and hasnt completely lost confidence. Otherwise just play hack a shaq with him and watch him brick at the line.
From what I read the Warriors are not all that in love with Simmons since they already have Green. They are worried about having 2 players that can’t shoot the ball. If the price drops to real low is the only way they take him. Sixers fans will be real disappointed on how little they get in return for him. My best guess is he gets traded to a bad team because Morey wants to get even with simmons.
Simmons over Wiggins on talent
Wiggins over Simmons on fit
That seems to be the thinking.
Wiggins over Simmons on fit? This is a ridiculous take, and is the opposite of thinking or cognitive reasoning ability!
Who covers Trae? Who covers Durant or the freak (Wiggins or Tobias, lol)? Simmons guarded the best player 1-4 on every team and they shot 37% with him guarding them (this isn’t fluff it is against the best scorers in the NBA). Who is the PG (or at least facilitator?) ? Where is the fit? Swap Ben for Wiggins and show me Philly’s starting 5? Now we have Wiggins Green and Thybulle playing the 3 with not enough minutes and no point guard. Not sure thinking and Wiggins being a better fit belong in the same sentence by any metric.
Wiggins shoots 3pts. GSW plays space and pace. Wiggins is not the passer Simmons is, and cant play D against both small and big players as well.
On the flip Simmons and Dray are redundant in a bunch of what they do, and the downsides of both players.
So yeah Wiggins is a better fit for what this team needs. Obviously they would trade Wiggins for KD any day of the week. If you want to move off Wiggins find a player like him but better. Dont get Dray 2.0 when you already have original Dray.
Leave it, but thanks for trying
The Warriors aren’t giving up all that to get Simmons.
If anything they would be the ones expecting two future firsts.
lmao annoying Warriors fans offering Wiggins for everyone on repeat .
Here’s a fun fact: Wiggins is trash, and you’re the only team dumb enough to trade DLo for him
No wants wants Wiggins or Dray for anything at all. Give up Wiseman and Klay and you can have Simmons
Fun fact I would take Wiggins over DLo straight up in Kerrs offense, and it was Wiggins plus Kuminga we got from yall.
Wiggins is a top 50 NBA player. He is just making top 20 money. So dude is overpaid not bad. 18ppg on 40% from 3 while handling the tough defensive assignments aint nothing.
Wiggins is not a top 50 player, he might not even be top 100
He is a #1-2 player on like 8 teams in the league and as good or better then the options as a number 3 guy on the rest. Thats pecking order not position. Only 150 players are even starters, you really think he isnt better than 2/3s of the bums starting for OKC and the like? Wiggins is overpaid not bad, but then hey fans are stupid about separating contract from performance.
Andrew Wiggins is quite average. Look at his advanced stats. Career PER 14.8 (15 is “league average”), in 7 seasons he has contributed 0.049 WS/48 (league average is .100) and 18.9 WS, basically number of wins contributed by a player to his team. Simmons on the other hand, PER 19.8, WS/48 0.156 and 30.4 WS in 3 less seasons. So by these metrics, Simmons is roughly 3x more valuable without considering contract. Wiggins contributes on average 2.7 extra wins per season while Simmons contributes 7.6. You want to cherry pick Wiggins season with GSW: PER 15, WS/48 0.08, and 3.9 WS vs Simmons last season PER 18.3, WS/48 0.153, WS 6.0….fans are stupid, you are right. They have a recency bias and because Ben sucked big time in the playoffs he is all of a sudden worthless.
His seasons are all based on stats being the 1A plan on bad bad Wolves teams, and a not near full strength GSW team where he already showed massive improvements. Stats in basketball are subjective because its a team game. Dray isnt Dray without Steph.
He fits the GSW roster better than Simmons unless you trade Green, which come on, and GSW values Wiggins far higher than salary filler. The whole problem is 6ers dont want Wiggins and GSW do, but GSW has no way to make salaries work because of the all max or min roster.
when has Wiggins ever shot 40% from 3? 38% is his best ever, and has only shot over 35% twice in his career.
This season he will mark my words 40% 3pt. He will be better with Klay just like the rest of the starters getting even more wide open looks.
That’s cool that you like the guy, but when you try and cherry pick a career year stat and round it up that really takes the credibility out of your argument.
Or on the flip you could look at his talent and athleticism, and the fact that Min seems to be a s*** show, and figure that he is a 25 year old who had a career year on a worse GSW roster last year. I think with OP, Iggy, Klay, and no Oubre that he could actually take another step forward. He will have more space and more emphasis being the number 1/2 option on the second unit vs worse defenders while he is the 3/4 option with the main unit. Much better spacing and outside threats besides Curry this year than last.
I wouldn’t trade for Wiggins if they gave us him for a 1st round pick. His contract is an albatross for that team. So I agree with that part…but not really sure why Philly would want Wiseman either.
Wiseman would be a flip for sixers since they already have Ebiid. Just hope your sixers don’t get D’Lo in a trade. Warriors fans found out what every team he played for found out the guy is horrible on defense. D’Lo can give you 20 a game but he will give up 25 a game against who he guards.
Wiggins = slightly over paid with one more year after this one before you can sign him to a deal thats more in line with his performance.
Wiggins contract 2 yr $65 million
Simmons contract 4 yr $147 million
Difference $82 million
Nothing other than Thompson would interest the Sixers and he would be a starting point. The other scrubs you mention,no thanks.
So smoked! They for sure dont want a guy making the max coming off 2 straight missed seasons. I love Klay, but he has to show he is himself before he is worth s**t, just like Simmons. Klay regains value for GSW at the same time he does for others so GL prying away a future HOF the team drafted if he looks anything like himself….
They hated trading Iggy do you really think they can trade any of the big 3?
Wizards. That +1900 looks tempting.
OKC will take him to add even more to their supply of first round picks.
Kings should swap Hield for Brooks and Anderson.
Simmons would be a bad fit in Sac.
Back court of Fox Haliburton Mitchell and Brooks would be a very good rotation.
Sixers should keep ben.he still a very good player.great playmaker,defender,and good ball handle for his size.i really like his still.i know he cant shoot but still a very good player
He is an awesome small ball 5 on a team with one of the best 5s in the NBA. His fit at the one is the real problem.
I believe he will be better at 4.or 5 for small ball system.sixers used him in the wrong way
Simmons is allergic to scoring points .
Take Embiid away and all you have is a Sean Livingston.
A decent role player , but nothing special. I’d rather have Lonzo
You clearly didn’t watch the Sixers the past few years. Embiid regularly misses time and Simmons carried the team in his absence
I give no fox. : Agree.one bad game and everybody judged ben was bad player. All defensive team isnt a joke.
I watched a few full games of the Sixers this year sans Embiid. “Carried” isn’t the word I would use.
Simmons did the same thing he did all year. Sprinted up the court, and if a dunk wasn’t available, then he passed it off and stood in the corner the rest of the possession.
Simmons can score son ,the issue in philly is he defers to everyone else.
He differs because he knows he can only score a few ways. If you think he will change this on moving your kidding yourself. He is who he is as a player, he could work to change that, but who he has been is who he would be for now at least.
Kings for Fox, TWolves for Russell and I’m happy.
Warriors either Wiggins plus Kuminga and Moody plus picks or Green Wiggins Kuminga and Moody (no picks) for Ben and Tobias.
Either the young package or the clear bad contracts deal
Blazers forget about it, Dame isn’t coming and McCollum is a bum.
Spurs have nothing to offer
Wizards Beal would be great, id definitely give up picks for him but can’t see that happening.
If not Beal I’d take Dinwiddie, Kuzma, Kispert and picks but again can’t see them giving up a bunch of young talent and picks for Ben
Russell will spend more time in the training room than on the court. He is not a viable option. The Wolves are only a means to an end for a 3 team deal.
Why would you give up Tobias? He’s a true stretch 4. Everyone says he’s not a max guy, but if you’re ranking 4’s – Giannis, Zion, and then there’s a 3-way tie with Tobias, Siakam, Sabonis, and then Randle/Collins enter the convo. Tobias is the best 3-level shooter of them all. Giannis/Zion best finishers as the cup obv.
Then there’s Wiggins/Barnes and then a heap of garbage or middling players.
I’d keep a 4 that shoots 90% FT and 40% 3pt.
But for Simmons trades…Dame or Beal are the only game changers. Fox would be the next best player they can possibly get.
How is Tobias a stretch four? He takes 3-4 3’a a game. I like Tobias but to call him a stretch 4 is…well…a bit of a stretch!
Since 2017-18 he’s averaged 4.7 3’s a game at 39.3%. Which is more than the majority of the 4’s in the game since then.
He took 3.4 last year, he is reluctant to pull the trigger, he dribbled too much and takes to many contested midrange 2’s. Again I like Tobias but he is no stretch 4 and he can’t guard the 3 spot. He is good but very limited
No way Tobias is that high. He’s never made an all star game and he’s only averaged over 20 point per game for a season once in 18/19.
If he’s not giving you 20, he must play solid defence well no. He’s pretty average at that. Rebounding average, passing average, blocks and steals average.
I’d rank him as maybe the 10th best PF but you have Giannis, Zion, Tatum, Siakim, Randle, Sabonis, AD, KP, Grant and Green. That’s 10 in no particular order, you’ve still got John Collins and JJJ. He might just make 10.
Don’t get me wrong he’s solid as a third option, and towards the end of last season he was great. But we are also paying him 36m a season, 14th highest paid player in the league. He’s not even a top 30 player maybe top 50.
Ideally tho we would get Fox, if not him Russell and if not him then it’s along way down to Dinwiddie or Brogdon or Wiggins.
Randle needs to repeat his season.
Tatum – is going to play the 3 more than the 4, and that’s their preference based on putting Grant Williams and Parker out there last year. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a lineup of Williams – Horford – Tatum – Brown – Schroder get a lot of run. They’ll probably flip between that and Horford – Tatum – Brown – Smart – Schroder.
KP is primarily the 5 in Dallas. WCS gets minutes pushing KP to the 4, but he’s the primary 5.
I agree I forgot about AD. He should play the 5 but complains so much about doing so, that they play inferior players like Gasol and Drummond.
JJJ hasn’t even played a full season. And I have Collins and Randle behind Tobias/Siakam/Sabonis. Grant is also a 1 hit wonder so far.
So if I added AD in there…. Tobias is 4th-7th depending on who you like more of Tobias/Siakam/Sabonis.
But those other guys have all star games and better seasons. Randle made all nba, an is an all star. He’s averaged over 20 twice, in his worst rebounding season he was a better rebounder than Harris. He’s also improved an is a playmaker and can shoot.
Sabonis again multiple time all star, almost twice as many rebounds per game, more than twice as many assists per game.
Siakim all star, all nba, two season over 20 points, better playmaker and rebounds slightly better. Plus defensively is a lot better.
Collins not as good a scorer although is a better shooter I believe. Much better rebounder and has only been in the league 4 years.
JJJ did miss a year so hard to argue but fully fit and only 22 he’s a better defender, probably a better rebounder just but not as good a scorer or playmaker.
Grant is a 1 season wonder but his best season is better than any of Harris’s. If he does it again then he’s ahead.
KP is a 4 that more often than not plays the 5, but he’s better.
AD is a 4 that should be a 5 but is soft. He’s obviously better.
Tatum is a 3 that more often than not plays the 4 but he’s obviously better.
Draymond obviously can’t match as a scorer but defensively he’s a beast. He’s got all nba teams, all star games, defensive teams and rings. He’s a better playmaker too.
I’d have Harris like I said in and around 10th for his position, outside the top 30 players tho. Getting paid the 14th best
@Simmons
Tobias is so under appreciated. He is one of maybe 5 guys that came close to being a 50/40/90 player. And he’s averaged just under 20 as a 2nd scoring option and non- ball-handler. He was stud last year.
I mean Kyrie Steph KD and Brogdan are all in the 50/40/90 club.
Tony Snell just invented the 50/50/100 club
As for players that got close last season we have PG13, LaVine, Middleton, Jokic, CP3, Ingram, Leonard, Powell and others.
Just cause he was efficient getting 19 points doesn’t mean he deserves to be paid as the 14th best player.
I think he’s properly rated, as a good third option, maybe a top 50 player and always outside of the all star selection.
yeah, on 11 free throws
Simmons is like one high ankle sprain away from never being able to play PG again
This is his last relevant season probably.. whoever gets him will regret it
Agree
The Bulls. Trade Coby White with a draft pick and some money for the 76ers at the deadline. He would join Ball, LaVine, DeRozan, Vucevic, Caruso, Jones Jr, Williams
Bulls need big money to resigning lavine next season.thats why they took djj with his expiring contract
If the Sixers did a deal with the Kings for Fox, I think you’d be looking for a 3rd team to deal MB3 to for a wing player like… Dillon Brooks. That would be a decent return for he Sixers if Dame and Beal are not on the table.
Simmons, Shake > Kings
Fox, Brooks > Sixers
MB3, Sixers 1st > Memphis
A deal with Brogdon, LeVert and a future 1st would also be good.
You can’t play CJ and Seth together and expect to win. Fox will still be suspect. Brogdon you could play (if he plays and isn’t injured). Nothing on Minn/SAS moves the needle. I don’t want Draymond – he can’t shoot either but he does shoot, which could be worse. And Wiggins, he’s aight, but if they don’t get a primary ballhandler back, you’re relying on Maxey yr 2.
Think the kings would want more than that. Which if I’m the Sixers I’d be fine to give them a first round pick and/or Seth Curry.
End of the day if we lose Ben and Curry and get back Fox we win eventually considering Fox is 2 years younger and Ben is demanding out. Would still have Green and Shake as shooters, I could live with that.
As for the Pacers idea, I also dig that.
Agree not a fan of Green particularly and Wiggins doesn’t do it for me either. However if we get desperate I’d take Wiggins and young players/picks
@eli – Djonte is a poor shooting guard? 45%+/80% isn’t poor. Sure, he doesn’t light up the 3pt. line, but neither did DeRozen and you don’t hear about him being a poor shooter. Splash in Murray’s outstanding D, rebounding and decent assist numbers and I’d say he’s a legit trading piece.
TWolves don’t have anything Sixers would want. Not a Russell fan. He don’t seem like a winner to me. Only played for contract yrs. imo Kings can provide best package. They have Mitchell so shouldn’t be an issue with Halliburton. I’m Sixers, only way I talk to Kings. If it starts with Halliburton. He’s ready to start at PG next yr for Sixers. He runs a team and makes minimum mistakes. He’s perfect for Sixers, Embiid. Halliburton, Buddy, Bagley, #1 pick. For Ben n Maxey. This makes Sixers best team. They come together. They can come out the East. And will be strong for yrs to come. I still like Bagley. And next to Embiid he will have a breakout yr. Plus they can play small ball with him in middle. To me this is best deal
I like The idea of Ben in GS. But at this point. I only give up Kuminga (who I like a lot), Wiggins and 2 future #1 picks.
Sixers could of signed Rondo for nothing. They knew Ben wasn’t coming in. To add Kuminga, Wiggins, Rondo would of looked real good. Rondo would do wonders for Embiid. A solid backup PG. Like I’ve been saying, not a Morey fan. He’s totally letting this Ben thing get out of hand. He’s got a contender and he’s messing with it.
Think it would be most fun if they figured out something with the Nets and Kyrie.
Their salaries match up, but I don’t know why Brooklyn would do that.
I was thinking of something similar. I think the nets would do to improve their D, plus with harden and Durant, they don’t really need Irving’s scoring.
It’s a divisional rival so will probably never happen.
KD aint going to let you trade his boy that was the whole reason he signed with you.
Actually not bad idea. But I doubt Nets have cojones to do it.
I remember Nick Wright said this ages ago.
Only problem I thought of was why would Brooklyn do it? KD and Kyrie and Harden are all mates why change the locker room.
Secondly Ben’s off the ball offence is non existent, whereas if you have Kyrie off the ball, you have to respect him as a shooter at a minimum.
As for Kyrie on the Sixers it would sound great but in reality he would be a major flake. Always injured or talking some BS. Flat earth blah blah blah
It would never happen simply because those three chose to play together. And yeah in theory Simmons could be Bruce Brown x 10, but it seems like he wants to remain a PG.
I think that’s what’s also hurting his value. If you’re trading for him hoping he’s going to be the next Draymond you might actually want to know he’s on board with that role.
OKC might get into the bidding. Ultimately I think Simmons goes to somebody in the Western Conference. They have an insane amount of picks and cap space. I know Shai GA just signed a big extension but Simmons would be a better building block. Shai GA, Tre Mann and some picks to Philly. Or Philly could send Simmons to another team in the West as part of a 3 or even 4 team mega-swap with OKC involved sending picks to PHL and receiving other rotation players from the other teams. But I suspect this drags on for weeks maybe even into October/November because Morey isn’t going to be bullied into making a deal out of desperation. That’s just not his style.
Kings don’t need Halliburton. If they are paying Fox. Halliburton is not a 2. Maxey is better at the two for them. Halliburton is a great mix n match for Sixers. He’s an excellent ast guy. Plays solid D and can run an offense. He would thrive in Philly. With Buddy n Curry they have shooting n scoring off the bench. I’m still a big Bagley believer. He can do well in Philly. Will be motivated.
Has to be posturing on the Kings part, adding Halliburton to the deal is a no brainer. He is exactly the type of pg the Sixers need.
My guess is it’s an NBA team
Siakam + Dragic + Flynn for Simmons and salary filler
NBA general managers know Simmons true value. NBA general managers don’t go into deals attempting to rip each other off, it’s not good for future business with each other or other NBA teams. The Sixers will get value that upgrades the team or Simmons will have two options sit and get fined or play.
Not sure I agree with that. The Sixers are between a rock and a hard place at the moment. They will take whatever they can get for Ben Simmons and I think that means hopefully 2 first-round picks as they seem to be of huge value right now. Then you have to throw in a salary matching guy or two and hopefully one of them is an up-and-coming young guy.
That’s probably all you can look to get back if you’re the Sixers at this point. It doesn’t sound like much so I would put my money on at least a 3 or 4 team deal so Philadelphia can get a little bit more in return . Thoughts?
I just don’t see picks ,the Sixers are a contender not looking to rebuild. A lateral move maybe, but as far the Sixers being stuck between a rock and a hard place, to me Simmons at the end of the day is what he is,a 4 time all star at 24 locked up with untapped potential.
The relationship between team, player, and fan base is super broken. He has to go because they made it clear they wanted him gone. Its not his fault everyone knew he was available but they asked for to much for to long.
Who is out there that a team would trade at this point in the offseason that is “right” for Philly? They need a point guard who can shoot more then BS, but also pass and play D. I mean I would say Jrue is a perfect fit for what they would want as a BS replacement in a deal, but he is not available just like all the other players they want.
If they said Simmons had a bad series but he is still our guy were going to work on his shooting all summer they wouldnt be in this spot. Philly made clear they dont want him back, now they have to take whats out there or deal with all the headaches around bringing him back.
After Game 7, Doc and Joel made it about as explicit as they could without just coming out and saying, “F%^$ BEN SIMMONS!” that they were done with him.
Then Morey approached the trade market as if he didn’t want to (or need to) trade Ben Simmons at all.
That’s how you get here. I agree with what Philly needs – the question is: Can they get a better offer from GSW and flip Wiseman and a pick or two for a player better than … D’Angelo Russell?
Maybe, maybe not. My guess is the teams that Daryl was asking 8 first round picks from last month might be less than eager to help him out now.
Could three team it with Golden State, Toronto, and Philly:
GSW gets Simmons and Maxey (or Thybulle)
Toronto gets Wiggins and Kuminga (or Looney as a one-year contract)
Philly gets Dragic (one year contract) and Anunoby
Add picks as necessary
Only works if (1) GSW wants to pair Ben and Dray; (2) Toronto wants to bring Wiggins home to Canada and (3) Philly wants a decent actual PG and young starting SF
I agree the Wolves “assets” are not very attractive to Philly.
But I do not think MIN would play Simmons as a primary ball-handler. He would be more of a Point-Forward type of player in MIN, and really, really help their defense, obviously.
But, no, the Wolves probably do not have the assets to get Simmons….Or they’d have to overpay to get him, which is not going to help their immediate future.
SAC is “desperate for a move that significantly alters the trajectory of the franchise” – yet don’t want to offer up any of the guys that have them on their current trajectory.
Interesting that the bookies have 2 rebuilding teams in the lead. He is 24, so possibly. Yet, I can’t think of another perennial AS that has been traded by a contender to a non-contender. Almost has to be a multi-team deal.
Simmons to a team that will play him lead, so it will be a surprise. It could be a non-contender… I doubt Simmons places that factor highest… Morey doesn’t care about it.
McNair will give up Fox so SAC is possible.