The Hawks have made an offer worth $125MM over five years to restricted free agent big man John Collins, according to Sam Amick of The Athletic. That offer has yet to be accepted, Amick adds.
When Collins and the Hawks discussed a contract extension last offseason, Atlanta reportedly made an offer worth about $90MM+ over four years, so this offer represents a bump in terms of both years and dollars. However, it’s still considerably less than the maximum the Hawks could put on the table.
As we outlined earlier today, the maximum 2021/22 salary for a player with fewer than six years of NBA experience – like Collins – who has full Bird rights is $163MM over five years or about $126MM over four years.
As Amick writes, Collins made it clear last year that he views himself as a maximum-salary player, and it seems like he and the Hawks once again have a difference of opinion on his value.
While Collins may continue to wait for the Hawks to increase their offer, his leverage is limited. There’s little cap space remaining around the NBA and there has been no indication that any team that still has room – such as the Thunder – is preparing to make a run at the 23-year-old. Additionally, sources tell Amick that Atlanta wants to retain Collins and isn’t interested in exploring sign-and-trade possibilities.
In other words, it still seems likely that the Hawks and Collins will eventually work something out, but it doesn’t appear a deal is imminent.
He does not deserve the max. Hawks need to get him under contract. So when they move him. The bigger contract is used to match. Right now he’s a bargain at his price. I don’t see Hawks keeping him. Don’t seem like he wants to stay. Give 30 mill one yr and trade him later. Done, fixed
Collins. Bogdanovic, Reddish, plus 3 number one picks.
For Beal….. let’s go
he can play on his one year qualifying offer and that makes him easier to trade then reaches UFA next year. can trade him to SAS or GSW for picks
That’s about right.
Good for Collins. No way can he survive on a paltry $125 million for five years. I mean how would he afford that tenth vacation home?
Does no one remember what happened to Nerlens Noel?
I dont get these comments, he never said anything about not living off of 125mill he just wants what he thinks is his max value, anyone in his shoes would try to do the same. Kemba got 141mill so anything is possible lol.
Well all I know is if $125 million can’t make him happy, there is virtually no chance that $167 million will. Just a bigger pile.
Cool quit your job and find one that pays you less than you think you’re worth and don’t complain about it.
“That ain’t enough to feed my family.”
– Latrell Spreewell
I already did that 20 years ago and I have never been happier. I left my well paying job and went back to school for a career change at less money. Life is not about accumulating the most wealth, it is about being happy.
You’re so full of….
Few people get what they think they’re worth. The point is, Collins is not worth max. A lot, but not what a top player makes. How often does this need to be said, by how many people?
He can hold out a while, nobody’s playing anyway.
…happiness. I’m sorry that you seem full of bitterness at someone else’s lack of greed. I wish you well.
Which team would give him 163 mill. He wants out.
Hawks go and Get CJ now. Okongwu in long run is going to be better. CJ now
John Collins is good, but not max-contract good.
This is a typical issue in the NBA.
Pistons, Spurs, Mavs, Rockets, OKC could all be interested and offer better money probably.
Only OKC has the cap space . Collins can play out his 5th year and bet on himself. Prove he is a max player and be UFA.
My guess he takes the 125
His outside max is 120 mm/4 years. That’s the best offer sheet he could bring to ATL. It’s better than 125 mm/5 years, yes, but by how much?
ATL should make the 5th year a player option, and he should sign it, unless he wants out. The notion that a team with cap space would just throw a max offer sheet out there abounds on NBA message boards, but in the real world, offer sheets are frothy, not insane.
It’s a lot better. He gets more per year and can get back into FA sooner.
Not on a percentage basis; and the benefit of the higher AAV can be somewhat mitigated by giving him a player option in year 5. If he really wants to come back, it’s a practical compromise. If not, try to get an offer sheet.
Or he can stink it up and lose the extra cash.
when you break it down, it’s not that much of a better deal than the original extension offer.
I see his point.
90/4 is 22.5 a year
The 125/5 is 25 a year
So for a modest bump of 2.5, he gives the Hawks another year of team control.
I can see how he’s somewhat disappointed.
But it’s risky, you could end up costing yourself tens of millions rejecting security and then you’re Nerlens Noel
Edit: I totally agree with DXC. .
When you truly break it down, it’s still far more than he is worth. The original contract was as well. Hawks could find far better use for that money.
I love how people around here consider $2.5 million a year a “modest bump.” Not trying to get all grandpa-y here, but I remember when I was thrilled to get a nickel an hour raise at my first job.
But if, at the same time, your co-worker that was previously making the same salary as you was given a dime an hour raise, and it was known to everyone in your world, I’m betting the thrill might have been diminished some.
Maybe jealousy has just never affected me as much as others, but it wouldn’t bother me a bit. I would still have the exact same amount of money as if I knew my coworker made a dime less, a dime more, or I didn’t know at all. So if my money was not going to change, why would I care?
Because man does not live on bread alone. Except @hiflew, apparently. By giving your co-worker a larger raise, your company (boss) essentially said your co-worker is doing better at the job than you are, and, at least relatively, its a criticism of your job performance. A lot of people, particularly if they think the co-worker isn’t doing any better, wouldn’t like that, and, yes, feel disrespected by it.
Just because “a lot of people” feel that way does not make it moral or ethical or even correct. I don’t base my life on what “a lot of people” think and I am doing alright. Maybe if you worried more about yourself and less about a coworker’s paycheck or work performance, you might be happier too. But I won’t twist your arm, you have to make that decision on your own. Have a good one.
He is way better than Noels , injury and the loss of $ playing out fifth year, compared to 25 million next season.
He needs to get opt out in his contract.
Collins ::::
29.3 mins, .55% FG, .83% FT, 7.4 Reb, 17.4 Pts
Who pays 30 mill for that. Fournier got better stats than that. It’s simple he’s not worth it. Trade him for CJ now. OK you want his playoff stats.
32 mins, .55% FG, .83% FT, 8.7 Reb, 13.9 Pts.
Really ……. He’s a very good young player. But he hasn’t proven to be a max player yet. Please
Cavs signed Jarret Allen for 100 mill. Is Collins worth more? I don’t believe so
Allen’s contract is a mistake. Just like everything else Cleveland has done since the turn of the century minus Lebron James.
Rude exagerration. And in this case, I would take Allen at 5/$100m over Collins at 5/$125m or more, easy. Allen can do wahat he does vs anyone, Collins apparently less so. And this includes getting a player to Cleveland who has a good attitude about it. Some people are just automatic about places, who would that be.
Sign and trade for markkanen?
If no one has offered him more than 25M per, and cap space is going by the wayside… what’s he waiting for? GSW to go full tropic Thunder on the tax and trade Wiggins and picks in a S&T max offer? And keep Tsunami?
Geez , seems close enough on a great team /timeline.
Take the deal and if your so confident in yourself then the 5th yr opt out should be viewed as a blessing to go get even more paid
I get ATL’s resistance, the problem w non max’s thinking they Should be maxs is bc maybe they Could be on 1~2 teams w huge open cap; but that doesn’t mean SHOULD….especially when you have a nice situation and that money needs to feed other mouths soon
I’m rooting for JC to get his money but Id like to see ATL not get bent over the barrel any more than what this article is claiming .
I know it’s hip too root player over owner getting the bag, but sometimes somebody needs to strike out like Schroeder to keep the baseline somewhat in tact
He may not be worth a max deal; that’s debatable, I suppose. But what is not arguable
In the least is that the Hawks absolutely need him if they want to contend for the Eastern Conference as they did last year. The Hawks need Collins and what’s more – Trae Young needs Collins. They need to get something done that keeps him in house long-term. He’s only going to get better, anyway.
ATL knows how to insult their own players in a beautiful way, right?
JC don’t sign this contract, any less than $30MM/year is not right, if need be play for the QO, do your thing & next summer you will get your $$$, but for goodness sake make sure when next summer comes you don’t even listen to whatever ATL is offering you, way to diss your second best player, SMH!