The Kings, Warriors, and Clippers are among the teams believed to be especially “enamored” with forward Pascal Siakam, according to Jason Anderson of The Sacramento Bee.
A source with knowledge of the situation tells Anderson that Raptors president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri has received numerous trade inquiries on Siakam and is “listening like a good negotiator.” However, while a deal is possible, Anderson’s source doesn’t believe it’s likely, noting that Siakam has no desire to be moved.
Siakam’s name has popped up in trade rumors throughout the offeason. John Hollinger of The Athletic first suggested in June that the former All-Star was on Golden State’s radar, and multiple subsequent reports referenced a leaguewide belief that Siakam could be had, particularly in the wake of Toronto using the No. 4 pick to draft Scottie Barnes.
Sam Amick of The Athletic said last week that Sacramento “definitely” has interest in Siakam, and Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report stated that the Trail Blazers engaged in some preliminary discussions involving the veteran forward.
If the Kings were to make an offer for Siakam, it would likely include Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley III, and at least one future first-round pick, per Anderson. While that would be a perfect salary match, it’s not clear if such a package would be enough to seriously entice Toronto, Anderson acknowledges.
Siakam is currently recovering from shoulder surgery and will likely miss a little time at the start of the 2021/22 season.
The Kings have also displayed interest in Sixers star Ben Simmons, Anderson confirms, adding that GM Monte McNair seems motivated to make a major roster move as the pressure to win begins to build. Outside Sacramento, there’s a sense that McNair and his front office – installed just a year ago – are already “feeling the heat” from Kings owner Vivek Ranadive to take a significant step forward, says Anderson.
Sixers get Fox, OG, Davion
Raptors get Buddy MB3 Thybulle Springer Shake
Kings get Pascal Simmons Tolliver
Something like that? Kings go all in for the play in tournament?
Can we include some firsts instead of Thybulle there? I’m really worried about what’s gonna happen to our defense if we lose both Ben and Matisse “The great barrier thief” Thybulle
That’s a horrible deal for the Raptors. It’s basically two of their core players for a bunch of role players.
You don’t think Bagley has untapped all star potential?
Yes, sarcasm.
I don’t really like the deal, nor do I want to (I wouldn’t!)include Thybulle in any deal…I think the thought is that OG is a very good defender just a level below Thybulle while being more playable in clutch offensive possessions as well. Thybulle and OG do overlap a little. Not sure if he is an upgrade with Thybulle but it is a parallel type of move with maybe added versatility with OG.
Raps need a LOT more than that. They view OG like Lebron.
phillyballers, I like it because I like change. But in the NBA it doesn’t happen too often. As an example, in my opinion, there’s no way the Sacramento Kings trade De’Aaron Fox.
Fox is untouchable doofus
Kings, Wolves, Blazers and Wizards are interested in Ben Simmons
They all want to deal role players for Simmons
Can 76ers expand the market?
You forgot to type Embid in the Raptors column.
LMAOOO wow. Raps trade OG AND Siakam for a bunch of garbage??? Yeah, that’s not happening..
OG is the next Kawhi. You better believe the Raptors know this. I know this might sound crazy to a casual fan, but I wouldn’t even trade OG for Joel Embiid straight up, and I’m not sure the Raptors front office would either. He’s for real.
I mean, I really like OG also but.. pump the brakes a TINY bit before you compare him to kawhi lol.
Naa, no brake pump needed. If you watch the Raptors, and you’ve followed this dude, then you know. Kawhi wasn’t Kawhi, before he was Kawhi. OG is Kawhi, bro
Yeah Khawhi was just the most important player on the last spurs championship team early in his career. Stop comparing the two. OG doesn’t have Hall of fame game although I like him as well.
Stop using Kawhi as a comparison you sound like an idiot. EVERY Player 6’8ish is the next Kawhi. Nassir Little and Zhaire Smith both The Next Kawhi. Just stop, there is only one. Just like there’s only one KD and one LeBron.
Second… Sixers need Thybulle, 2 or 3 years from now version. Which is OG now. And OG is more versatile defensively, and All NBA is just someone’s opinion. If it were stat based we’d know at the end of each season immediately.
Third… my scenario is just a template where the money actually works…. Something most of you do not grasp. It’s call framework. No one knows what picks get in or what stupid swap or protections would be involved, but Simmons is the best player in that trade. His only flaw is shooting, he is better at every other aspect of the game than each player involved in the trade. But the Sixers need a shooting capable guard. Siakam is off a down year and surgery and a max deal. OG is a good not great player. He isn’t going to be the best player on any team… I would say he’s of the Iggy ilk. But the deal gives the raptors 3 starters and 2 affordable reserve guards. The picks I mean sure I imagine picks are involved.
Idiot is probably too harsh… what I meant to say is you sound like a talking head during the NBA draft or combine.
Not the same? lol
Yes… If this keeps I will assume Ujiri signaled posters to drive up the value of OG because he planned to trade him… so I can go straight to, what is the trade, for whom, etc.
Of course Sixer fans do that with Simmons… First cuss at him, then say no other team has the equal.
OG is the Raptors best player, not sure how he was added as a throw in.
Philly ballers has been in franchise mode in 2k for too long. No way Raps are giving up Pascal and OG for that crap
I don’t play video games but sure.
How often do you see a proposed 3 way deal where all 3 teams fans do not like the trade for their team?
Raptors fans love OG
Sixers fans love Thybulle
Kings fans love Fox
I personally think fox is a better building block than Simmons. However on the right team, i think Simmons is a better fit (like the warriors for example). Fox is a much much better scorer. So trading Fox, Bagley, Buddy, and their 1st round pick Davion Mitchell (who by all accounts seems to be a well rounded stud) is just waaaaay too much for Siakim and Simmons. That would be a horrible trade for the Kings
Thybulle isn’t going anywhere pluse the salary doesn’t match.
It cleared thru trade machine so stop spewing that brown trout nonsense out of yr mouth. Sixers outgoing is 42.3, In 48.8. Raptors outgoing is 49.1, in 40.8. Kings outgoing 66.8 and In 68.7. Sixers have a 4.6M trade exception from Horford. I’d write all of that in up and down sarcastic text if I only had the will power.
If I was the Sixers. I’d look at Kings for a Ben trade seriously. I happen to like Bagley still. I think he needs a new team. Playing along side Embiid . Would really open up his gm imo. He’d be a steal cause let’s face it. He’d be a throw in. But I’d want Halliburton too.
Don’t get why Siakam is always in trade rumors. I wouldn’t really be feeling that if I was him. He might just say get me out of here.
I think it’s perhaps because the Raptors know he’s peaked. He was a player of Promise 2 years ago with such physical ability and scoring and size. But I think they see he’s reached the top of his game. They don’t think he’ll develop further and become all-league. Just my opinion.
Siakam absences:
2022 starts with a shoulder injury
2021 16 missed games of 72 in 6 gaps; 36mpg
2020 12 missed games of 83 in 2 gaps; 35mpg
2019 2 missed games of 106; title; 32mpg
2018 1 missed games of 92; backup; 21mpg
2017 off and on; not that good; 16mpg
Siakam twists well, but then, he twists. I am surprised he is not injured more.
I package centered around James Wiseman would make sense for Pascal… I think he’d be a great fit next to Draymond, Curry and Klay.
Pascal siakam is not good enough to be giving away James Wiseman. I think the Warriors Envision the next 5 years with these kids growing into Stars. Wiseman has the ability, so so the 2 rookies, and Jordan Poole has shown flashes of star potential. That’s a brand new starting lineup in four years after seasoning and experience.
His injured shoulder could be worse than what the Raptors is willing to say. No way a GM should trade for him now until they see him back on the court for a month or 2. He is going to miss the first month or 2 so that takes away his value.
Fools to give up on Wiseman and Kuminga. Imo Kuminga will be better than Siakam in 4 yrs. But if I’m Siakam I would not want to play. In a place where my name is constantly in trade rumors. I mean Raptors can just put a stop to that.
Its the “package” part that you have wrong now: Lacob has made a huge deal about trying to build a contender alongside the rebuilding wing of the team, building the rookies into successful teams from the jumpoff. No way does he give up JTA, Poole, Wiseman, Moody or Kuminga unless its for Kawhi or Luka or someone on that tier of player. He’s on record pretty much saying exactly this. He is not on record saying “I want to keep Wiggins” though, so he’s the big trade chip here, along with future picks.
Siakam is not efficient and is one of the worst shooters in the nba.
Lakers and Clippers may not have enough assets to get him though
Go Kings
I feel like it would be dumb to move Siakam right now. I see where he would be a really good fit for the Clippers and Sacramento, but in GS, I’m not sure about his fit with Draymind Green offensively (defensively they would obviously be a really strong tandem), and also dont necessarily see the trade package any of those teams can realistically send out that would make sense for Toronto, unless they’re just giving him away for no reason
Sacramento should try to sign Paul Millsap before moving a bunch of pieces, and utilize some of their young defenders, and see where that takes them this year, and if that doesnt work, then maybe explore moving certain pieces
Well Derozan had no desire to move and look what happened there. I think Siakam’s one of the few guys GSW could realistically get for the package they can offer and one that would be an upgrade. Wiggins/Wiseman/Moody/Toscano+a future 1st maybe could get it done. Maybe Raps throw Boucher back to them as well i didn’t realize how old he was already.
That is way too much for Siakam. He is coming off a big injury so many teams will wait to see if he is fully healthy before trading for him. Siakam would need to be at all star level to get 5 players for him. I don’t see that happening until mid season when he is showing dominating his position. Right now he only get 2 players.
I wouldn’t trade Wiggins straight up for him. Wiggins shot the 3 at 38% last year. Saikam shot it at 28%. The D is about the same. Saikam probably a better finisher but is that worth the future of ur team? Hell no. They are the same age and make the same amount of money
If there was a trade no way Wiseman would be part of a trade for him. From what I read Raptors do not have him on the trading block unless they get a over pay for him. He is coming off a bad injury so it makes 0 sense to go all in for him.
Weird how you would posit Wiggins as “the future of ur team”.
Wiggins+future 2nds for Siakam is about his actual-value. But imagine thinking GSW would trade local hero JTA for anyone but a Kawhi-level player, you would have not be living in reality at all, purely video-game BS reality.
Wasn’t exactly what I was saying bud. I was referring to wiseman and moody as the future. The original poster had included them as a part of the trade package. Wiggins could stay or go but between him and pascal I’d probably keep Wiggins tbh
Right on. I would definitely trade Wiggins for Harry B and Buddy all day, its the “last move” GSW could make to really announce to the league they’re going for it -while- rebuilding and playing rookies (who traditionally never play any roles on playoff teams) in 2022.
Way more comfortable splitting up Wiggins into Barnes and Hield, no idea if there’s another way to do that with two other players who fit so perfectly, but yeah, that’s the move. Simmons you kinda have to because his trade value is in the absolute gutter -he is not reporting to PHI camp, so he HAS to be moved. Wiggins plus a future for Simmons is a move I can’t say no to. I want none of Siakam unless its 1-1 with Wiggins, which TOR won’t do.
DeMar DeRozan got moved because Kawhi Leonard was available.
That’s a hilarious package and no way in hell GSW give it up – you can’t post your hopes and dreams on here without saying that’s what it is, you will look like a fool.
More realistic deal: Wiggins and some future 2nds for Siakam. Siakam isn’t even a given to be good next year.
Most you would give up is Wiggins and a future 1st rounder or Moody in the trade. Meyers needs to bring in a big center. I am thinking chriss on a minimum deal would help solidify the center position.
Love Chriss as that last big man.
Best thing for the Sixers is to move Ben to PF, let him rebuild his trade value. No one is going to pay 30 mil plus a year for a player who can’t shoot. I know Ben plays great d but are there any other “defensive specialists” making that kind of money ?
Gobert gets like 40 a year and he is less than a threat on offense than Ben is.
I agree though moving Ben to PF and bringing in an actual PG is the best move. I’ve been saying they should be looking to move Harris and pieces, not Ben.
What about actually sticking with what they did in the regular season by having Simmons start at the 1, but in 2nd units play him at the 4/5, depending on matchup, and utilize their young guards/wings? That being said, I could see them making a move for a more established guard, just b/c of all the young guards they have now, taking Springer a year after taking Maxey, where those guys are both somewhat comparable to Kyle Lowry. I also like Isaiah Joe, and especially when Danny Green got hurt, he should have been playing, on top of using Simmons at the 5 in the Atlanta matchup
They also grabbed a couple of interesting undrafted guys that give them more wing depth, so just something to look out for
Damn I barely missed the timer on adding to the comment lol…I was trying to add that replacing Mike Scott’s defense as depth at the 4, with offense of Niang is a bit curious, considering they still have Paul Reed. I dont know about moving Tobias Harris right now, just b/c he gives them half court scoring they need, outside of Embiid. So maybe Reed is potentially up for grabs, or maybe they actually are accumulating depth to prepare to move Simmons. I personally wouldnt move Simmons right now though…
Gobert 14.3/1.3apg on .675/.625
Simmons 14.3/6.9apg on .560/.613
Simmons’ career high in points is 42.
Gobert’s is 35
I’d say their an equivalent offensive threat. Neither can shoot outside 4 ft’, and both are horrible at the line.
Gobert is more efficient and one of the best screeners in the game.
Simmons is one of the best passers in transition.
But Gobert more or less single-handedly makes Utah’s defense elite, which isn’t a knock against Ben. It’s just the difference between being an elite perimeter defender and an elite interior defender.
Gobert’s offense also is a little underrated. He doesn’t score a lot, but he shoot 67% from the floor when he does and gets to the line 5 times a game.
His OBPM was +2.0 last year, which was twice Ben’s (+0.8). In addition his PER and TS% were both significantly higher. True he’s a big, but 23 PER to 18 PER and 68% TS to 58% TS are large gaps, even accounting for the positional difference.
I’d be intrigued to see how much Simmons would improve if moved to a frontcourt role.
I’m a little dubious that Philly would be the best place to do it though, just because Embiid is going to be at the five spot 30+ mpg and playing them together in the frontcourt seems like it’s going to end in the same lane clogs that playing Ben at the 1 and having him in the dunker’s spot has produced.
Siakam and Dragic to the Warriors for Wiggins, Wiseman and Moody.
I don’t think including Dragic would be possible for the Warriors given the size of his contract.
Pascal siakam is not happening for the Warriors right now. I’d rather have Jonathan kuminga and give him the minutes and look what happened.., he fell in the Warriors lap.
If something big is going to happen trade-wise it would be Ben Simmons and not Pascal siakam. Perhaps another big-name but not a guy who’s not All-NBA and who’s coming off major shoulder surgery. Too many ifs and with Klay Thompson a big if, the Warriors don’t need another.
The only potential pre-season move I want GSW making is Wiggins and some 2nd rounders for Hield and Harry B.
Bring the death lineup alll the way back with Iggy and Barnes!
Those salaries do not add up for that trade.
Are you trolling McBurger or are you actually that stupid? I can’t even tell these days
If the Warriors get him let me go on record he will be a 9-11 PPG and 7-8 rebound guy at best.
Let me go on record and say you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to basketball
Trading players to the kings feels like a punishment. Like when you’re a kid and you were bad so your parents would send you to live with relatives in the middle of nowhere.
At least Vlade is gone. One of the worse GMs ever and the worse trade ever getting him from the Hornets. Kings doubled down on stupidity with him. The trifecta was Luka.
The Raptors front office play things pretty close to the vest, so any information from unnamed sources is something I’m highly skeptical of. The Raptors don’t make moves for the sake of making moves, and they’re more likely to stand pat until at least the NBA trade deadline unless a franchise altering deal comes into play.
Additionally, with how the Raptors roster is set at the moment, and how close they are to the luxury tax line, any deal with the Kings and/or Warriors would have to net them a superstar and I just don’t see that with the players named as a potential return.
From what I’ve seen NBA writers are reaching for reasons Masai would move on from Siakam at this point, but if he were to do it he’d be selling low with any of the current hypothetical packages. Masai’s been consistent with all of his moves during his time as an NBA executive and he’s never sold low on any of his players. Every move has been deliberate in either gaining roster or financial flexibility and he’d gain nothing of the sort from these proposed deals.
Letting Siakam recover from his shoulder surgery and seeing his fit alongside OG and Barnes both on defense and offense is the likeliest route, and though people will like to say there’s positional overlap with those players, the Raptors are aiming for a roster of players that all feature similar skill sets and measurements, so that argument is moot in my opinion.
Good Post mpoaword. Yeah positions really don’t matter anymore in the NBA. Just roll out a bunch of 6-8 guys and you’re set. So many players can handle and shoot and dribble drive and kick that it doesn’t matter anymore. Plus, my power forward can guard your shooting guard and your Center.
Yeah like the USA guarded Rudy. Centers true centers are still the most dominating force in NBA. Cause they can go both ways to control games.
Trade : Hield, Bagley, James, 2023 1st Rnd Pick and 2022 2nd Rnd Pick, for Siakam.
Siakam 6-9 PF 21pts / 7rbds / $31m
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Hield 6-4 SG 17pts / 4rbd / 4ast / $22m
Bagley 6-11 C/F 14pts / 7 rbd / 1blk / $11m
James 6-7 G/F 2pts / 2rbd / 2ast $1.8m
Some of these trade ideas and proposals and packages for Siakam, a proven second option on a championship winning team, are just ludicrous. People saying NO, DONT THROW IN WISEMAN, like that kind of deal would have ANY chance of getting done.
Raptors already rejected wiseman Wiggins and 7 and 14 for Pascal, and you think giving up wiseman or Wiggins is too much??
The only scenario in which I see Pascal get traded to one of those teams is if we get De’Aaron Fox back from Sacramento. None of those other packages or other teams have anything substantial to offer. Pacal Siakam is REALLY good, there’s a reason he’s so coveted. And I can guarantee you he’s not going anywhere unless it’s for a player like Fox.
Then you’ll keep him. Done. Have a nice day.
Side note.. you think that James Wiseman and 7 Jonathan kuminga AND 14 Moses Moody AND Andrew Wiggins was OFFERED for Pascal siakam? I think that’s what Toronto WANTED, not what the Warriors offered. Same with the Sixers, they wanted a lot of pieces for Ben Simmons but I don’t think the Warriors offered it. Also remember Siakam will be 28 soon. He’s no longer the guy with huge promise. He is what he is today.
Second side note.. I think it’s very strange but very true that certain guys value drops substantially AFTER the draft. It could be that the Warriors may have given up quite a bit for Siakam before the draft but I think now that has decreased as a package in a huge way. I’m not sure why that happens but I think it’s true. Thoughts?
Absolutely disagree that the Raptors would have offered anything close to that package. The report was that the WARRIORS offered that package, and the Raptors REJECTED it. As a life long Raptors fan, I know for a fact we would never deal Pascal for a subpar return like the one that was offered by Golden State.
Okay the_great1, I hear you, that could very well be so, even though to me it sure sounds like a hefty price to pay.
It’ll be interesting to see if Siakam is moved before the season starts and what they’ll get for him. Maybe he stays put until the trading deadline? Or longer? Perhaps you think they may keep him all year?
This. Siakam will not get that haul ever. When the trade goes down and the Raptors get peanuts compared to what these two guys are dreaming they will change their account names once again.
Who is this? CobiEven? You usually hate what I say, lol.
Lol. The greatone and and theone. We root for the same team Gary but sometimes your takes are a little bit homerish but this time you walked back your correct take. Toronto is trying to trade Pascal now because they know he won’t resign there. I enjoy your views and you are nowhere as bad as Marty and Sillivan for crazy view points. People like you make me want to read the comments more than the article.
The Raptors never rejected that offer, Wiseman, 7 & 14 would have been a steal for Siakam and to eat Wiggins contract.
Exactly. Those two knuckleheads are drunk on maple syrup.
Also I think they are the same person. The account names are VERY similar. Theone23 and the_great1? Something is rotten in Canada.
Everyone thinks their players are so great. If the GMs are this way, no deal will ever get done and nothing changes.