Trail Blazers guard CJ McCollum and Pacers guard Malcolm Brogdon are two players widely viewed as potential fits for the Sixers in a Ben Simmons deal, but no trade scenarios involving either player have gained real traction with Philadelphia so far, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic (video link).
According to Charania, the Sixers asked the Trail Blazers for a package that included three first-round picks and three pick swaps, which Portland rejected. While Charania’s wording isn’t entirely clear, it sounds like Philadelphia requested all those draft assets in addition to McCollum, so it’s not surprising that the Blazers weren’t interested.
As has been reported repeatedly throughout the offseason, the Sixers’ dream scenario would be to trade Simmons to the Blazers in a deal involving Damian Lillard, but the Oakland native never asked to be dealt and Portland has zero interest in moving him unless that happens. “You’re waiting on a prayer,” one source said to Sam Amick of The Athletic, referring to Philadelphia’s desire to land Lillard.
According to Amick, there has been some chatter around the league about the possibility of the Sixers and Blazers working out a Simmons deal for a package that includes McCollum and Robert Covington, plus draft assets, but the two sides don’t appear anywhere close.
Here’s more on Simmons:
- The Sixers’ front office, head coach Doc Rivers, and agent Rich Paul have continued to discuss the idea of Simmons ending his holdout and reporting to the team, but the three-time All-Star remains “resistant” to that idea, according to Charania.
- Charania says Simmons has clearly “mentally checked out” from the Sixers and even if he were to report to the team, it would be with “short-term intentions.” A source who spoke to Amick said essentially the same thing: “Even if (Simmons) shows up, I think there’s no chance of him ever mentally being back in Philly.” Simmons has packed up his belongings from his Philadelphia home, per Charania.
- David Aldridge of The Athletic believes the Kings make sense as a trade partner for Simmons and has heard the 25-year-old would have no problem going to Sacramento. However, sources have told Amick that the Kings want to see what their current group looks like in the regular season and haven’t seriously revisited the possibility of a Simmons trade since speaking to the 76ers months ago.
What about A deal involving John wall and the Shanghai rockets
Need a third team to make it work, maybe Twolves.
Wall makes too much. Hard deal to make without forcing the Sixers to add another asset, and that’s not gonna happen. Would require a team with cap room or a TPE to take an asset from Sixers and return a much cheaper one.
Tough but not impossible, try this one on. Sixers get: J.Wall, N.Knight, 2 Rd1pcks-Wolves, First and a swap-Rockets. Wolves get: B.Simmons, A.Lamb. Rockets get: P.Beverley, T.Prince, S.Milton, I.Joe.
That doesn’t really work for Houston, who already has 15 players on guaranteed contracts (not including Doumbouya, whom they are expected to cut). That trade would give them 18 players with guaranteed contracts, which would force them to cut 3 players.
You’re right. Probably never before has there been a situation where a player is just super quiet but is actually mad at the league. It isn’t anything other than disrespect for his team’s players no matter what he is mad at them for.
So he wants to quit the league or go to Barcelona or Shanghai or somewhere.
The thing that is strange to me is how this has been drama for so long but nobody knows why he’s mad
He keeps getting schemed off his spot.
Ben, show up, put in a little bit of effort, maybe work on your shooting a bit and a deal probably materializes. Oh wait, that’s too much to ask from a max player?!
Stay home you frickin baby, I hope you rot there for a long time. You can’t play with Embiid because you want to play inside more, but you still like being a PG/playmaking 4? You should have worked on your shot (see Lonzo Ball as an example), and your drives to the rim/FT shooting. But no, that would require you putting in some extra work instead of looking for the easy way out you entitled bum. You are everything that is wrong with today’s player.
You realize he isnt reading this right? Maybe you should redirect that message to his twitter page or something lol
Well he might read it.. he has some extra time on his hands these days without that pesky basketball career getting in the way so it’s possible he’s browsing the trade rumors app.
Sixers fans starting to realize they held the losing hand all along … you hate to see it!
Trust the process.
“I hope you rot there for a long time”
yikes…
Maybe that’s why “he packed up his belongings” and mentally checked out… trying to address the long-rot issue that looks increasingly likely, with no trade likely.
James Harden 2.0 going on. Will Sixers get any picks with any proven player in return? TBD…. Stay tuned for another Simmons report that repeats the same story and speculation.
The Sixers are asking for more than what Houston got for Harden which makes it seem like they’re not truly serious about trading Simmons. Obviously no one is willing to meet their outrageous demands. So they must be hoping that Simmons is going to eventually cave in and return to the team. Otherwise they would be open to more reasonable trade offers that they are receiving from other teams, even though they are for far less than what Simmons may or may not be worth.
I do agree, Philly trade demand of Simmons is extremely high. You think they were trading a LeBron James with the asking price. It’s just getting tiresome to see Simmons name every day and the same story and speculation.
That’d be 40,10,10 in brogdon and levers for 14,7,7. Doesn’t make sense
If that’s how you measure a trade then you’re clueless. Also doesn’t consider defense.
Also doesn’t consider Simmons me over team attitude, Philly fans still hoping for Ben Simmons in 2018 trade package when the guy has refused to work on his shot…pipe dreams, you can’t have one of the worst playoff flops of all time then holdout and expect to be moved, and if your a fan of that team you can’t expect any team to give up more than a couple vet role players and maybe 1 pick…Simmons needs to report to Philly and fix his own trade value
Brogdon is a winner. Him alone makes the 6ers better. Toss levert in as a 6th man and that team is a D-3 small forward away from a true contender
Malcolm Brogdon is a better player than Ben Simmons. Very different, obviously, but better. I’ll stand by that assessment until it’s proven otherwise. If I’m Indy I don’t do a Brogdon-McCollum deal, I don’t even consider it.
Certainly, McCollum (being a good player) is probably the worst of the three, especially because of his lack of defense. However, I am not sure what kind of evidence would make you change your mind about Simmons and Brogdon: Simmons is a 3x All Star (twice selected by coaches), 1x All-NBA and 2x All-Defensive. Brogdon is indeed a much better shooter, but Simmons has the edge passing, rebounding, defending and driving to the basket. It’s not even close.
How much value do you place on heart, grit, the size of the fight in the dog, etc.? Philly fans and front office are delusional. Just move on from this distraction for your team’s sake.
As good as he is, I don’t j is why you would trade big time asssets for someone who a) can’t shoot and b) seems to be a headcase, or at a minimum gets bad advice.
The Kings want to wait to see how the team gels? Ben Simmons is better than what they have. He’s willing to come to your team! This is why they’re the Kings! Make the deal!
He’s not better than Fox, and Halliburton remains to be seen and is much cheaper.
They should offer Hield, Bagley and a couple of firsts (I think this is competitive at this point) and play Simmons at the 4.
McNair for SAC did not claim he made such judgements, just that he wanted to see how how his two draftees do in a 3 PG backcourt; probably if he can move on from holdover Fox, who the Kings have much invested in.
I think he can.
Simmons beef with the 76ers is he believes he should be on a winning team, but is willing to come to Sac? In this division, on this team? It’s an exciting team, but will never make it beyond the first round of the Play-In’s. Simmons is a bad attitude, and is NOT what the Kings need to do. If the Kings make a trade, it has to be for a wing…
Also, the team should not cave to a max player with 4 years left. That’s just bad business and will have a lasting impact across the league going forward. Just sayin…
They wouldn’t be caving, they’d be doing what’s right for the team under the circumstances. There is no good outcome for the Sixers here. None. The only thing worse than trading him for some weak return or letting him sit all year is getting him to come back and play. That would be a catastrophe. He’d dog it until benched then ruin team chemistry and get in fights. There is no way out other than sucking it up and trading the guy for whatever they can get. Which is also the only way the Sixers’ reputation among players around the league can be rescued. If you don’t think Ben is out there talking to players about how he’s been treated (truthfully or not) you don’t know how the world works.
@seamaholic
“If you don’t think Ben is out there talking to players about how he’s been treated (truthfully or not) you don’t know how the world works.”
Players will always take the money. Nobody cares about Simmons crying.
He’s already killed the chemistry and it’s part of his plan to be traded. Even Doc said he would rework the offensive plan for him and it wasn’t enough. That is what makes him a crappy person and no team should want to take that on.
This is all about a player who regrets signing for the money. He made his bed, he can sleep in it. He’s out there talking smack about everyone like boo hoo, they paid me all this money and I don’t wanna play now. Give me a break… And he could care less of how it’s impacting his team mates. He is garbage. The league should step in and do something about this, but the players union won’t allow it. There is no good outcome here and Simmon’s created all this mess.
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Trailblazers should do a trade with McCollum as the center piece in the deal. Portland problem is they have the offense but their defense is way below par. The other problem is Sixers admitting they will not get Lillard and take CJ instead. Portland would need to throw in a few more assets than CJ.
You’d think Portland could get this done with McCollum plus two future 1st’s. But Morey must be insisting on more than that.
Why would the blazers do this? They are in the west where it’s all offense, getting Simmons only weakens the blazers.
On top of that morey wants 3 firsts and 3 pick swaps.
No team in their right mind is going to make that deal for Simmons.
Its not all offense. Defense wins in the playoffs and championships. Portland defense is weak. They need to take a chance and move up. what Morey wants and gets are 2 different things.
There is no reason for Portland to offer more than CJ at this point, maybe add some 2nds and a FRP swap.
Somebody will out bid a offer of CJ and some 2nd rounders.
Morey could be forced to do it since nobody is calling him with great offers.
Kings
Buddy Hield
Marvin Bagley
Pick swaps in 2022, 2024, 2026, and 2028
1st round pick in 2023 top 5 protected.
That’s about what they’re gonna get. Nothing better than that, I’d guess.
Kings Trade :
Hield – $22m
Bagley – $11.5m
Woodard – $1.5m
2022 – 1st Rnd Pick
2023 -2nd Rnd Pick
Philly Trade :
Simmons – $33.5m
Potential New Line Up (After a Simmons Trade; for the Kings :)
PF 6-8 Barnes 16pts / 6rbd / 1blk
SF 6-11 Simmons 16pts / 7rbd / 1blk
C 6-10 Holmes 14pts / 8rbd / 1blk
SG 6-5 Haliburton 16pts / 4rbd / 5ast
PG 6-3 Fox 24pts / 3rbd / 8ast
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PF 6-10 Thompson 13pts / 7rbd / 1blk
SF 6-8 Harkless 8pts / 4rbd / 1blk
C 7-0 Len 7pts / 5rbd / 1blk
SG 6-5 Davis 9pts / 4rbd / 3ast
PG 6-0 Mitchell 11pts / 2rbd / 4ast
———————————————-
PF 6-9 Metu 4pts / 2rbd / 1blk
SF 6-9 Terry 5pts / 3rbd / 1blk
C 7-0 Jones 3pts / 3rbd / 1blk
SG 6-3 Ramsey 2pts / 1rbd / 2ast
PG 6-2 Coleman 1.5pts / 1rbd / 1ast
Just play Simmons at any position that doesn’t start by “shooting”… Otherwise I agree Sacramento should aim for that trade, even if they had too add another first.
More of the same with the trade-averse FO’s around the NBA. Of course, it’s better to wait and see what you got, but that’s not just the Kings, but every team in the league post-FA. One of the reasons Simmons’ trade value is likely at its lowest right now with him not in camp.
So, by all means, the Kings’ FO should wait, let the season start, let most of the potential suitors lose their delusions about their current rosters to the point that the bidding starts going up. That way, they can chase a deal for the guy and pay more.
No degree of synergy between the Kings’ returning and new players that may hereafter emerge is going to lift this team very far. They may not know exactly what they have, but they certain know (or should know) what they don’t. Be aggressive when others aren’t, particularly when you have little to lose.
Just let him sit at home until his contract is over. Nobody is going to give you anything for him anyway.
Save the money and let him sit.
All I know about Philly comes from watching IASIP but I feel if Simmons steps on the court in a 76ers uniform for the “short term” he is going to be mercilessly booed. If he shows contrition and comes back he may be greatly more “warmly” by the hometown fans.
Hometown fans will always hate him unless he puts on a sixers uniform again. KD is still hated in OKC.
Even if Simmons puts on a Sixers uniform again he’ll get booed.
If he plays hard and helps them to playoff wins watch how the boos slowly turn into cheers. Fans only care about winning.
Simmons attitude is such garbage. He failed coach Brown and Doc. He’s getting paid top dollar and last season’s expectations were highest due to the team, performance when it matters, and contract. Once he owns that, makes improvements, then he’ll be a force. Right now, he’s fading fast.
#FreeBenSimmons
A whole lot of blah blah blah non sense in the comments. I guess that’s what happens when people get tired of hearing about Ben Simmons.
This write up has nothing to do with his attitude, him not turning up, his shooting ability or any of that other BS. It’s about a possible trade to either Portland, Indiana and Sacramento having interest.
I’m also rather sick about hearing about Ben and sick of posting my own trade package ideas. I’d just like to see two good starters and atleast 1 first round pick come back. Be it Brogdan, LeVert and a first, or McCollum, Covington and first or whatever.
Not Haliburton and Heild, Haliburton has had 1 decent rookie season and Heild is just a shooter that’s not two good starters.
I don’t think we can trade Ben for a star of equal value or close to it cause no one is that interested. We aren’t getting Dame, or Jamal Murray or DeAaron Fox, so we just have to settle for less but be it 2 good starters and a pick.
I think Fox is doable… no insight, just logic. Also Sexton is a cheaper, less clever, maybe tougher but not bigger, Mccollum.
Sexton and McCollum that’s a good comparison, I think Sexton is/will be a more efficient and better shooter whereas McCollum is more of a skill full ball handler. Sexton is tougher and defensively he has potential to get better whereas McCollum has always been weak defensively.
But I mean I’d happily flip Simmons for a young McCollum, an old KLove and a couple first round picks
Imagine if YOU had to work for a company that drafted you. Also, they get to decide how much to put out based on their own rules for the the first three years of your career, regardless of how good you are at your job.
Sports is different from any other endeavor.
That was only for the first four years of his career (not three). No one forced Ben Simmons to sign a 5-year extension two years ago, he did it on his own.
Not really. Any work force that unionizes to negotiate a single CBA with an association of companies would be in the same place, for better or worse. De-unionize and the CBA (draft/cap/etc.) goes away, and the players will be able to play with any team they chose on any terms they can negotiate. All union workers outsource their rights to the union thinking it will give them a better deal than the free market. It appears it does, but either way you can’t have it both ways.
Imagine YOU not showing up to your job at all and still getting payed millions
You talking about any big company CEO, happens all the time, dude!
Only people that works hard makes next to nothing, the more money you make the less you work, so yes a lot of guys in banks BoD’s make millions for doing nothing at all!
H8er Alert!
Trade him to the St Louis Spirits for the rights to some retired ABA players
Exactly. Such as if traded to the Liberty or Sparks for winning tools and assets
Been saying Kings since Hawks beat them ……..
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