The Knicks are concerned about Julius Randle‘s “overall psyche” after a season-long series of incidents that included an ill-timed ejection Friday night, a source tells Marc Berman of The New York Post.
Randle had 25 points, seven rebounds and four assists in 28 minutes when he was tossed from the game with 2:40 left in the third quarter following an altercation with the Suns’ Cameron Johnson. Both players received technical fouls, and Randle got a second technical for making contact with an official who was trying to separate them. The Knicks were leading at the time, but wound up losing when Johnson banked in a three-pointer at the buzzer, giving New York its 17th defeat in the last 20 games.
Coach Tom Thibodeau admitted afterward that Randle used bad judgment, saying, “You can’t cross over that line. You’ve got to know where to stop.’’
The ejection was the latest incident involving Randle this season, Berman notes, a list that includes giving a “thumbs-down” gesture to fans at Madison Square Garden and repeated battles with referees and assistant coaches.
The source tells Berman that Randle didn’t report to training camp in top physical condition like he did last season when he was named Most Improved Player and was a second-team All-NBA selection.
There are also theories that he’s jealous of RJ Barrett, who has surpassed him as the team’s top star. Berman points out that Randle has skipped the player introductions during the last six road games, although he still participates at home.
Asked on Friday if he was concerned about Randle’s well-being, Thibodeau responded, “I’m concerned about everything.”
Randle’s behavior is potentially a long-term concern for the franchise considering that he received a four-year, $117MM extension during the offseason, including a player option in 2025/26. If the Knicks decide to try to trade him this summer, they’ll likely have to take back at least one bad contract in return.
I wrote under another article that what Mr. Thibodeau and the Knicks FO are doing this season is to find out who their core players are going forward; not so much trying to win games when everyone following the NBA knows full well that even they make the payoffs they won’t go far.
I saw Randle’s outburst, and IMO this is not a guy that a team builds around (along with 3-4 others) unless the man makes major adjustments in how he conducts himself on the floor. If the trend continues, he’s going to be baited by opponents at critical times in games that will cost his team.
Honestly, the conduct is a distant second to his play. Randle could be acting like a saint on and off the floor, but his production to date this season is just way out of whack with what NY paid him and his “role” on the team.
My only concern vis-a-vis his conduct is that it probably lowers his trade value, which is where this situation is inevitably headed this offseason.
The officiating in this league is so putrid, I’m amazed that some of them don’t get punched in the face.
Well why can’t Mr. Thibodeau control him?
Jeeze it went from funny to sad real quick…
It’s still funny
As a Knicks fan even I think it’s funny!
I mentioned his attitude when he opened season with Kemba getting all the attention. And fact he didn’t let PGs handle ball. Been saying he can’t handle NY all yr. Last yr there were no crowds. This yr the pressure is on. You can see it, I know I can. So again. Why is Thibs still playing him. Obi should be starting. Along with McBride at PG. Cause Randle won’t let McBride handle the offense.
I’m just so ahead of this game. It’s painful lols.
Randle worked for that contract. If you’re Thibs, you’re not starting a rookie and telling Randle to take a back seat.
The responsibility falls upon Leon Rose. HE failed to improve the team and secure a Star PG. Too bad… ping pong
Wow you got your sports center update. The season is over like 10 gms ago. Go root for the bandwagon team this yr. We are in a rebuild. Wall makes 42 mill and he’s been sitting all yr. You wonder why that is. Or you miss that in SC. Da da da. Da da da……….
“A rebuild” that committed 117 mil to Randle, 78 mil to Fournier, 43 mil to Rose, 32 mil to Noel, 30 mil to Burks, 18 mil to Kemba, 10 mil to Kemba… I don’t think you and the Knicks FO are on the same page Alex. Better hop on the phone.
Really maybe you should try and read those contracts. All are done after next yr. None are guaranteed past next yr. Kemba can ge bought out for half price next yr. So all are expiring contracts, just assets. The reason they were done that way. Cause this FA class is not big. But following yr is much better.
It’s really tiring and boring I have to explain this twice a week. Only Randles is longer. And he can be moved. Since after last yr. He actually signed for less than his market value. You missed that too.
Anytime you think you got a point about my team. Just ask. That way you don’t have to spend 20 mins researching it. Or you can just show us all how much you don’t know.
So you’ve been how long????
And you come back for this. When you gonna learn about me. Contracts are not difference of opinions.
Lol. Alex, you’re literally just making stuff up at this point. It’s like Sillivan’s comments on meth.
Do I need to pull up the contracts. I’m not a child dude. I’ve never met a person or fan who knows Knicks better than I do.
link to hoopshype.com
It’s not Alex. I don’t give out my real name. Al is short for it.
@Knicks
Fournier’s contract has 2 years and a team option beyond this season. If rumors of Randle’s behavior is true then im not so sure they could “easily get rid of him” without taking a bad contract back in return. But go ahead with your condescending snarky comments towards other. It’s amusing when you’re proven to be wrong.
Alex, your daily essays on the Knicks organization are amusing. Thanks.
Who’s proven me wrong. Dude If anything I’m yrs ahead. Did I not say all contracts are basically for two yrs. For 2023 FA class. And anyone with a yr left, is called an expiring contract. Easy to move. It’s the way Rose planned it. Only Randles runs longer.
Dude I don’t know YOU. I don’t care about YOU. You absolutely got nothing to say to me. I’m sorry I know more than you will ever know. When it comes to ball, I got it like that. So all these hissyfits by you. Only shows your weakness. And ineptitude to have an argument.
And CONTRACT is a written piece of legal paper. You can’t make it up. Or be wrong about it. When you do the research. It is what is. But wannabes like you think it’s a point of contention. Grow some and learn the game. Then maybe one day you will actually make point. Instead of having your feelings hurt constantly here. Waaa waaa
This board sees you as a so called Knicks fan. Yet you’ve never ONCE. Not ONCE shown how this team can turn the corner. Or fix itself. Either thru draft or trades. It’s all negative, disparaging, or pure hate.
That’s the difference between us. You get me now.
Sadly, this is a fair critique. A lot of Knicks fans on this board like to talk about our “rebuild” when, if you follow the money, this ain’t that.
Much like Al, I too am clairvoyant—I was against the Fournier, Noel, and the duopoly of Rose/Kemba contracts from the start.
Yes they’re shorter contracts, true. But it’s also true that giving Thibs vets is like giving a crackhead crack—and by loading this team with mediocre veteran players we’ve stunted the development of young players like Obi, IQ, McBride, Grimes, and even Barrett (although that’s more on Randle).
Al was hyping Fournier, Kemba, all last summer renewals and Randle.
He must be t he kid downthumbing Porzingis all these years ago lol
Al verbatim from last August
“Thank you Julius.
Randle gave us a discount. Shows how much he wants to be here. He and Thibs are a match made in Heaven. Looking forward to an exciting and fun year.”
link to hoopsrumors.com
From thanking him in August, to seeing an attitude in October (especially over old Kemba) he can’t hanlde the pressure, at l, other teams will trade everything and the kitchen sink for him
Is this strange that’s there’s an Al SiLivAn??
“Fournier is a 20 pt scorer, shooter. Kemba is a 20 pt scorer. That’s 38 pts a gm we just added. ”
-Knickerbocker “20+20=38” Al
You should go back further. When I was trying to trade him up until draft. Or before the draft when I so glad to get Obi so we can move Randle.
Fact …….
After yr he had. It was a discount the contract he signed.
Fact ……
Signing him gives us control over him.
Fact …..
he was an all star. But any real knows his history. And one yr doesn’t change it all. But as a positive person you hope. He has turned the corner. That’s called being supportive. I’m sure your children would appreciate that. I’m not a Hater like most you clowns.
Fact …….
He’s regressed to two yrs ago, he’s had all yr to show us. So why would it be hypocritical to move him. We got Obi for a reason. Randle got his 4 yrs here. I’m not responsible for his behavior lol.
Fact ……
I can only interpret what players do playing. Cause in the end. It’s about a Team. A Team I support and know better than anyone on this board.
So now go back and pull some more. I understand you need it explained.
Again I’m sorry I’m so much more knowledgeable than you.
That you use Randle of all cases to prove a non point. If your sisters boyfriend starts beating her up. After a yr of total ecstasy. I’m sure you will look the other way. I will personally make sure he will NEVER do it to anyone again. That’s how I treat my team. It’s personal. Something a child will never get. Please find more stuff. Show me how smart I am ……
Reading Al reminds me Charlie trying to talk about the mail lol
link to youtu.be
“I’m not a hater like you clowns. I’m a positive person, dumbasses! Why the heck can’t you understand how much smarter I am?”
– Alex
I doubt you will ever understand. It’s much easier to hate. The biggest laugh here is no one here cares or knows. Enough about the Knicks to be critical of them. Bunch of sad wannabees who need attention.
You are all so fake, Barbie is jealous.
Get an original thought show us you got a brain.
The only player who has been stunted is iq. Barret gets more minutes on the knicks then he would get anywhere else how has he been stunted lol. Grimes I think has played more minutes than anyone else in the league drafted in the 20-30 range or close to it. Mcbride has played damn near as much as any second rd pk last year. Toppin can’t shoot, he is a backup 4 on every team in the league. The coach has not stunted anyones growth, with the exception maybe of IQ but many many players go thru a “sophomore slump”. The knicks were planning on making the playoffs this year but even if things didn’t work out which they didn’t they still have 75 million to spend in the summer of 23. Next year is f***ed as well but they will be ready to start over again after that. And if things blow up in Utah this playoffs as in a horrible first rd showing they will be the fave to get the young utah guard from Louisville.
I agree with a lot gut you are way off your playing time estimation.
Grimes is 9th in MP among players drafted after 20 and Mcbride is 14th among players drafted in the 2nd round.
Both suck when playing so that’s to be expected though. They have 11 and 5 perm way below the 15 league average.
Seems they are not the gems Al make them out to be.
Btw A why would Mitchell come to NY? Knicks might have a hard time even trading for him with their BD drafting the last couple of years
Vintage Al from last August
“Fournier is a 20 pt scorer, shooter. Kemba is a 20 pt scorer. That’s 38 pts a gm we just added. And don’t sleep on Grimes and McBride. They will help next yr. Knicks are a two way TEAM. And this is a TEAM sport. We are better and can still get better cause our youth. We will be in the fight for top 4 in East. And Randle will lead the fight,”
Spot on as always, just so ahead of this game, it’s painful lol
What was a lie about any of that.
Both are 20 pt scorers . And both young guys would have helped if Thibs played McBride.
Supporting Kemba is funny to you
What about when he put up 40. He’s still shown he can score. His health, D, and Randle is what did him in. That your point. Being positive is a danger to your team. OK . I won’t pull up any of your old stuff. Cause you say DS all the time. So it’s always plain to see. But I welcome the fanaticism,.
Just remember ……..
I don’t think you are stupid. You just have a bad luck when thinking.
It’s not a “lie”, Al—you just can’t do basic arithmetic.
Yo Samuel …..
you’re a yr late. Randle was never part of core. Although last yr did put him in conversation. He’s a goner now. And if Thibs keeps riding him. He will be gone with him. Knicks have only one untouchable. That’s RJ.
Mitch has regressed. Randle was always a ??
Fournier could be. But we need a real PG to get the best of him.
All the young guys are here to show. Show you are part of team. Or show you are an asset for a trade. That’s the business of Rebuilding thru draft.
Al, So continue to playing veterans over young guys who need the valuable playing time is define as rebuilding? There is no excuse on why Reddish/Quickley/etc have not been getting consistent playing time, especially during this downfall. This is why the Knicks are the Knicks. They’ll give you 1 year of hope or promise, but they’ll give you 6-7 years of dismissal product.
Also, nobody wants Randle with his recent attitude and the level of inefficiency he has played all year. You can tell some guys are just out for themselves and he’s in it. Knicks just will need to eat that mistake of an extension, or hope he gets better next year.
You are late to this conversation. I’m all for playing you g guys. I’ve been saying it all yr. But definitely after playoffs were gone this yr. Randles issues are much deeper. Yes some of it is ego. But he just thinks he’s more important than he really is. Unfortunately Thibs is loyal to a fault. Randle was there for him last yr. He rewards that. It’s up to Rose to step in now and save his aaa.
I apologize for thinking Randle was on an expiring deal. I looked at Sportrac and apparently didn’t update it to next year and thought his deal was over after this year. Good luck trying to unload him now especially if his head problems get any worse than they’ve been in the past. I really don’t think he’s better than the number 3 option on any championship team, and unfortunately he thinks he’s a number 1 option. That’s not a real good thing moving forward.
Every year is an examination year. Samuel is not a year late; he brags on banalities. Talking “core” rarely ends well regardless. It’s just a chitchat topic. “Core” ends when a trade offer is good enough.
AL If Randle was not part of the core, why was he offered so much? That’s a lot of money to allocate just for trading. Something else that rarely works: signing a player just to have something to trade.
Hard to believe that would be the plan.
Randle’s previous contract covered this year; No new contract had to be offered; seems it made his head big. I did not expect any of these things to happen.
Payton knew how to get Randle in good fighting trim, but he withered.
Everything would be different if they offered Dinwiddie or drafted Maxey, but both calls were probably not ambitious enough at the time. NY did not want to be stuck with average… Now they have a lot of it. Dins may fix DAL like Mccollum is fixing NOLA.
He was a FA. They were not going to let him walk. It’s bad business. Especially after yr he had. You sign a guy. Then you can always trade him. Look up KP. You remember they drafted Obi cause fans and media wanted Randle gone. Then he had his big yr. But he’s back to two yrs ago. I’m not waiting on him or his issues. I’m about ky team. We need to move on from him. I’m good with Obi starting. But we need a real PG. You see what Garland has done.
Mitch, RJ, Randle we’re thought of as core. Mitch had a bad yr.?Randle has regressed. I’d rather keep Mitch than Randle.
So you want the Knicks to play all the young guys, Trade Randle, and get some more young guys? OK. I get that, Not a bad plan. THEN WHY IS TIBBS THERE? That’s not him….EVER. Confusing.
IDK. If the Knicks want to move forward they need to reset the Front Office, a plan I voiced earlier. Instead of Dolan and others taking turns at playing Club President like some fantasy team, Hire a Team President who knows something about hoops. Then he hires a GM and they come up with a plan of what they want to do, and then hire a coach and so on…. That’s the only way it’s going to get better anytime soon.
Bingo. The head of the org needs to have a longterm vision that can be detailed step by step. None of the catchall “we’re going to compete”, “we’re going to value our young players”, “we want to create an atmosphere that attracts FAs”
There’s more questionable than sensible things done by this FO, starting in their selection of Obi over Hali, that just makes you objectively ask…what the f***?
He’s there for discipline and to teach. He’s from the area so knows the fan base. I get he has shown not to play young talent. But he came here with his eyes wide open. It’s a rebuild. I didn’t sign him. But I know if he doesn’t get with program he is gone.
Knicks have never rebuilt thru draft. By all these geniuses that claim to know something. You can see why. But it’s the thing they need to do more than anything. Even if it means moving on from Thibs.
Honestly just tired of this Coach’s Captain Obvious statements…you just can’t cross that line…and rather maybe take some responsibility and say…we know Julius is going to be goaded continually and we need to do a better job of helping him handle that.
He said he was worried about the situation..What do you want him to say?? Yeah, we know he’s become instable slowly but surely over the course of the season, and we made a mistake of signing him to that extension..Except now, we don’t know what to do with the ticking time bomb that is Julius Randle…
Then, in the off-season, after saying and admitting all that, I bet the trade proposals will be even better than the crappy ones they’ll already have to deal with..Even so, you know what?? It was ALL WORTH IT, because I gave the fans exactly what they wanted to hear!!
Sometimes less is more, especially when you’re dealing with someone thats obviously going through some stuff
Randle is falling apart from pressure of playing in NY. He’s handled most things not well this yr. I don’t t get where this out of shape thing is coming from. Or jealous of RJ thing. That should of been said in beginning of season. Not at end. Makes no sense. But that’s Berman the hater. He’ll say anything to get readership. You really can’t believe anything he writes.
But I’ve watched all the games. And watched Randle closely. He wants to be the guy that saves the team. I think he really believes it’s up to him to save us. He doesn’t let PGs run team. Only Rose could for him. And Thibs let’s him. He can’t handle pressure of failing so he acts out to fans. He’s a mixed up guy when it comes to balling, if you ask me. The truth is this is RJs team. He might not get that so is acting out. NY doesn’t care about stats or yrs you’ve had. They want to win and winning means team ball.
Team D this yr is way down. Team offense has no chemistry. Randle is part of that problem. No matter how good his stats are. If you think you have to get stats to win. Then you are not playing team ball. You play to win in the offense. And the stats will be there for those who play well. And it will usually be your best players.
Right now 10 gms AGO. The season was over for us. Thibs should be playing for next yr. And for a better lottery pick. It’s that simple. You load up for next yr and come back. What can you possibly be playing for now. The 11th pick. This keeps up. Dolan will step in. Mark My Words ……..
That’s the last thing NYK fans want.
Oh come on. He lost his cool once and shoved someone. You can’t indict his “psyche” over that. The Knicks should have concerns about having a trash owner that is a joke to the entire planet, and the fact that they never fully commit to whatever path they’re on, be it tanking, or going for it. They’re going to suck until James Dolan dies. And yes, I fortunately, I am a Knicks fan.
Randle psyche has been off all yr. I’m done with him. Hope Knicks are too. And it got nothing to do with Suns gm. He doesn’t have the temperament for NY. Best to move him.
He lost his cool “once”?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Clearly you are not a Knicks fan or even loosely follow the team because Randle’s mental toughness has been an issue all season. Not trying on defense, pouting during games, shying away from the media post games, reverting back to his selfish and low BBIQ ways on the court…the list goes on. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if he was your #3/4—which his ego would never allow—but as your #1/2 it’s a real problem. This man is the opposite of a leader.
Your mental toughness is a lot more questionable after that rambling and incoherent comment. 46 points tonight. Randle isn’t the problem. His performance has dipped this year along with the entire team. Thibs should be replaced this summer, but ultimately, unless they luck out and win the lottery a few times, they’re going to be a mediocre franchise until Dolan is gone.
1) play the kids—- see what you got 2) need a real point guard that can run the team in off season 3) get the ball out of Randle’s hands—- Randle has become “Westbrook” 4) can you move Randle in off season – need to attach pick? … gonna take time – few years to get the Knicks right….Is Thibs the right coach for the future? Don’t think so, stuck in old ways, not flexible, never has been… Need to have RJ BECOME FUTURE ….Go Knicks!
link to espn.com
Check out Randles gm log since Feb……
Don’t tell me you can’t trade him. Very few can do this. He can’t handle NY. He’s 27. He can help another team. Where there is no pressure.
Like 26 pts a gm 10 rebs, 6.5 ast
The Knicks have way too many prime time games for being a very uninteresting team to watch. Every time I turn on the tv to watch espn or tnt basketball they’re “playing”
I’m actually kind of celebrated as a unique voice on this website so I don’t really get the criticism?
Man what a lot of garbage some reporters write about!
JR out of shape like 6 months ago, it comes out now, right?
Jealous of RJ, which has more potential but as of today is clearly an inferior player to JR!
Ejected, just lost his cool once, who wouldn’t playing for the NYK!
You see, the guy is just frustrated that the team is so bad, happens to the best!
Actually I do think it speaks very good of him to be getting so frustrated with the team, the season & all… it shows the guy is a winner & hates to play for what it amounts to the worse team in the league right now!
Leave the guy alone & give him some help by providing him with good players to play with, he can’t do it all, he is very good but he ain’t LBJ, Jokic or Luka, right?
Definitely not what you want to here if your a Knicks fan buy to a lot of you, you’ve seen this coming.
In fairness to Randle tho he was an all star and all nba second team player last year, he deserved more respect than he got. Even as this season has gone on, his numbers have dipped but he’s still been really good statistically and leads the team in every statistic. Must kind of suck that Barrett gets all the love and attention when he knows right now he’s the better player.
As this season has gone on longer and longer tho you can see he’s become more and more unhappy with everything. Not just unhappy with his own game and at Barrett but at the Knicks fans and I think New York as a whole.
It seems clear they will move off him at some point and I just think whoever gets him is likely getting a beast of a player who’s going to do really well wherever he lands next.
Some ideas could be:
Indy for Brogdan?
Charlotte for Scary Terry or Hayward?
Dallas for Dinwiddie or sign and trade for Brunson?
Minny for Beasley and a pick?
Could even see Lakers trying to send Russ away for Randle and bits
I think the time to move on Randle is clearly this summer—you can (possibly) sell this as Julius having a down year and not responding well to NY pressure. Maybe someone will bite. Because if he comes back next year and plays like this again, then NY will be attaching 1sts to get off his deal.
Honestly, the Russ to NY thing makes more sense by the day. Would LAL want to risk rolling the die on Randle? IDK, but they might not have a better option this summer.
But if we could get Russ + 27 & 29 LAL 1sts for Randle and Fournier, that’s a huge win. Stash the picks, buy out Westbrook, fire Thibs and go back to the drawing board next season developing the youth.
(Also hope you can sneak into the top 5 in this summer’s lotto.)
Randle has been a disappointment this year compared to last, but his 20/10/5 is nothing to sneeze at. And RJ at the same time is growing out of his shell, thus reducing Randle’s numbers. What’s ‘concerning’ about Randle is his body language. He seems disinterested at times. Seems disturbed he doesn’t get calls like other stars do, and probably due to the feeling of entitlement now that he’s getting paid like a star. His turnovers and poor passes are due to a lack of thought and heart. Disengaged at times, as if he’s playing a pick up game on West 4th.
It’s time to move on from him and perhaps take a step or two backwards before leaping forward. RJ is legit. He’ll be our star. Time to let the kids show their place in this league and where they belong. As for the FO, they need to draft wisely. Mitchell and Halliburton are two picks they had interest in and passed. This could be a different team if they did go that way, granted they may not have the Halliburton pick if Mitchell were on the team, but the point being to draft better. As for Thibs, thanks for last year but he’s not the right coach. Need someone young with new ideas and out of the college ranks, preferably. Someone who is going to grow with the team. A Brad Stevens type is not a bad way to go. Monte Williams would’ve been sweet when he was available. Nice guy with tons of respect and a strong basketball IQ. Hopefully the off season is our time – new coach, top 5 pick, and Randle and Fournier have been moved.
This is classic 20 20 hindsight. That all the unintelligible fans are so big on. First off he’s not getting paid like a star. He is an all star. He got paid for his yr and underpaid at that.
Fact is Mitchell was never there for us. When will you deal in reality. Mitchell went 9th and we picked 19. This is the FOOL that you are. Making up scenarios to make yourself look smarter.
CLASSIC WANNABEE ………
Haliburton wasn’t drafted cause. Randle was about to be traded. Another lost fact for you. Obi dropped to us. We had to take him. And it was right pick.
Look me up again and SEE. How I pushed for Haliburton before anyone on this board knew who he was.
You gotta be the biggest attention seeker on this syte. Nobody makes up more bs than you. Draft better ????
Knicks had one of best drafts last yr. Consider where they picked.
McBride, Grimes, Sims, Cam, and two future 2nd rd picks. That’s what we got. You got to be the most clueless.
Year two of the Coach of The Year. And you are ready to run. That’s the typical clueless fan. Thibs might not be the guy. But it will take at least another two yrs. We’ve had 5 coaches in 5 yrs. Or did you miss that. Like all relevant facts you can’t digest.
Ffs one of the best drafts when the 3 players you drafted have played in total less than 1100 minutes? If you had one of the best drafts what would say about Oklahoma draft with a future star and 3500 quality minutes of playing time. You are hallucinating man, seeing everything the Knicks do perfect, just sad.
And why do you even mention reddish when it’s not drafted this year and you gave a first and a lottery pick in knox?? Lolol
Id hope not BS
The fit w AD would be clunky but Jeanie is going to have to trade Westbrook and I’ve always thought the Knicks were the ones to take his salary on for next year
Id prefer Fourn Kemba Noel and Burks for Westbrook and possibly 2 2nds but NYK will probably be able to squuze a 1st outta the deal somehow (even tho they are providing mostly dead money as well)
Please, no Westbrook, but other suggestions are all possible. At this point in Westbrook’s career, he’s been traded yearly from OKC to HOUSTON TO D.C TO L.A…for a Reason… He can’t space the floor…. BUT THEY NEED A PROFESSIONAL POINT GUARD….look what Lowry dies for Heat…
The only spot he fits in the places you picked and wrote is Dallas really
I don’t think that NYK can make a case that they are a premier destination for FAs. So while they signed contracts that will be expiring next year would an elite player want to play there with its current organizational configuration? This is not a new observation as I recall these types of comments a couple of years ago. Maybe if they had held the line a little better this year they could have snagged some great FAs. They seem to be back where they were a few years ago. Drafting a complement to RJ is a huge must going forward.
Worst run team along the Kings during the last 10 years. Renewing mediocre players, failings to get any significant FA and drafting like the kings.
Fans aren’t great either, if you judge by the best authority of Knicks fans according to himself, isn’t that right Al??
The positive going forward is that Knicks have draft picks, target point guards, combo guards, but we have to realize we have to be smart with the picks, Just spent pick on Reddish… Hey Thibs play the kid…. It’s 51 years since the Knicks last won ring…. Go Clyde… Go Knicks…
You got to love Knicks fans who were hyping Randle as a star last year, as an asset who will bring tones of picks and young players earlier this year and as someone who can’t handle NY and need ‘s to go today
Truth is you might even have to give up assets to trade him, don’t expect anyone to give back serious assets for him.
Only the Knicks would think the guy averaging 20-10-5 isn’t the star of the team
Because it’s not 1995 anymore? Putting up counting stats while playing major minutes isn’t the only parameter.
Sure he’s getting 20ppg, but on 18 shots a night, in 36mpg. For comparison, when Randle was 24, and no one thought of him as a “star”, he got 21ppg on 15 shots in 30mpg.
Randle’s advanced stats:
PER, 16.0
TS%, .513
BPM +0.4
Those would tell you that not only is Randle not playing at an All Star level this season, he’s barely playing at a *starter* level.
Despite my constant criticism to Randle and his hypesters here his numbers are amongs the Knicks best. He’s 3rd in PER and BPM behind Robinson and Rose.
However the knicks are a dumpster fire at this point and have only 4 players above average in PER. Rj ‘it’s his team’ Barrett has 13,5, below the league average 15, despite certainty from Al that he’s going to be a star and driving the Knicks to the finals this year
Probably by top 3 to criticism are fat Zion, crazy Randle and inefficient Barrett.
Fact …. You gotta the biggest Aaa out here. I never said that.
Fact ……..
He is an all star.
Fact …..
Why would I say Finals and Knicks in same sentence. Dude so much bs coming out your mouth. I can smell it …..
So I ask you ?? Is your aaa jealous of the amount of nonsense that just came out of your mouth?
Randle WAS an all star in a covid short year. He back to his normal self this year, a little bit above average
Like demian already said those advance stats still better than most of the team.
As always the guy who contributes “empty stats” is to blame and not the rest of the trash team. Just like Zbo and Love once they had actual talent around them they thrived. Get Randle something better than Barrett and Robinson and he’ll do the same.
You mean RJ ….. his team now.
Randle doesn’t have the temperament for NY. It’s not for everyone. He’s got to go. Time for Obi to step in.
I guess maybe it’s matter of semantics then—being the best player on a terrible team with a +0.4 +/- doesn’t in my mind make you a star, but what do I know?
But sure why not. Not sure who your team is but if you’d like to pay 30m/yr for Randle’s production please be my guest. I’m sure Rose would be willing to swap.
Not sure I agree. 18 shots per game at a 50% clip is 18ppg. Sprinkle in a couple of free throws to get the 20ppg. Can’t say that’s bad. Furthermore, the assists compliment others scoring. Now, the issue around losing is defense, rebounding and turnovers. This is where the Knicks fail, surprisingly, considering their coach and last years performance. Sadly, the signings made were not well thought out and moves will need to be made in order to remediate.
I hear you, and I’m not saying I 100% agree with the Morey-ball guys but that’s what players are going to be judged by in this era, for better or worse. 21 on 15 shots is a 1.4 PPS ratio: 20 on 17 is 1.18, a 15% dip in efficiency, etc
Also Randle’s 5.2 apg is weighed down by 3.6 tpg. He’s throwing the ball away almost as often as he’s finding a guy to score.
What you’re left with is a great rebounder—which is still valuable, just maybe not as much as the box score suggests
Anyone who puts up those stats in an NBA year. Gets everyone’s attention. Only fools like you think it’s some kind of aberration. To see Randles true impact. You have to watch the gms. And understand what playing in MSG is all about. Of course we can all just think like you and go buttholesurfing to get ideas
another true genius ……
Alex, relax now. No one else is calling you mean names – this isn’t high school.
LMAO. Al, tell us what 20+20 equals again? Then let’s decide who the genius is…
Randle’s advanced stats are league average. My apologies. Yet I didn’t make them up — you can go visit basketball-reference.com; they’re public.
Al has the habit to overrated players. Randle, Fournier, Burks, Kemba, Brunson who will come in his white horse and save New York. It’s a frequent theme with Al.
It doesn’t matter that Randle take 18 shots to score 20 points and the worst big in several stats suited for bigs or that he doing that on a losing team…
Don’t confuse giving up on Randle and moving on, with hating. Hating is what uninformed fans do. What the unintelligible haters do. Randle has had his chance here imo. So I’m ready to go with Obi. I still feel we can get quality for him. Cause all the critics and geniuses here. Can’t explain or understand. How this player can put up these stats. Not more than 5 players can put up these numbers. No matter where you play. You do this in NBA. You are a BALLER. So hate all you want. I just want a good return for him. Read his gm log. LEARN
KnickerbockerAl
March 6, 2022
link to espn.com
Check out Randles gm log since Feb……
Don’t tell me you can’t trade him. Very few can do this. He can’t handle NY. He’s 27. He can help another team. Where there is no pressure.
Like 26 pts a gm 10 rebs, 6.5 ast
link to espn.com
? Confusing statement. He can’ handle NY, He can’t handle pressure. But you can trade him to a team where there is no pressure. Huh? You mean the G League? Because every Coach and GM is under pressure to win now. Why would they want a guy who can’t handle pressure, NY or any other kind? Sounds like wanting your cake and eating it too.
Supposed to be can’t handle NY. My bad.
I doubt you understand what playing in NY is about. Especially MSG. There’s a long history of stars who have failed in NY cause of pressure to produce and play here. Phil got his aaa kicked out of here quick. You’re a Bulls fan . You ever wonder why
You’re right. I doubt seriously there is any difference between NY pressure and Chicago Pressure. If there is I think it’s all in your mind. And Phil was just a coach here had no FO input. He just proved there he was out of the game for awhile and you have to have the right guys to play the triangle. He tried to make players who couldn’t play the system he wanted them to.
Yeah so much pressure to win in NY because the Knicks fans are so used to success and championships that they can’t stand losing seasons lol
“.. a source tells Marc Berman”
@KnickerbockerAI fighting the good fight. Lol.
Hey, ok Knicks front office tried, add offense with Fournier & Kemba…will take time to sort out…but Thibs is starting to finally play the kids, and Alec Burks is not a starting point guard, nice bench player- need to add PG in off season- professional pg, doesn’t need to be superstar… Go Knicks!
Hey, ok Knicks front office tried, add offense with Fournier & Kemba…will take time to sort out…but Thibs is starting to finally play the kids, and Alec Burks is not a starting point guard, nice bench player- need to add PG in off season- professional pg, doesn’t need to be superstar… Go Knicks!