The Knicks were one of the most pleasant surprises of the 2020/21 NBA season, outperforming expectations by finishing 10 games above .500 and returning to the playoffs for the first time since 2013. Instead of building on that progress in ’21/22, however, the team took a step backward, falling eight games below .500 and missing the playoffs and the play-in tournament entirely.
There were a variety of reasons for the Knicks’ letdown of a season. Regression affected certain players, including Julius Randle, who came back to earth after earning a spot on the All-NBA Second Team and a Most Improved Player award a year ago. Injuries were an issue, with point guard Derrick Rose limited to just 26 appearances. And New York’s offseason personnel changes didn’t pay dividends. Kemba Walker, in particular, was a bust — knee issues continued to diminish his effectiveness, and his offensive production was no longer good enough to make up for his subpar defense.
The Knicks built a reputation as a hard-nosed defensive team under Tom Thibodeau in 2020/21, placing fourth in the NBA in defensive rating, but didn’t look like that same club in the first half of last season. The good news? New York had the NBA’s best defensive rating after the 2022 All-Star break. The team will try to carry over that success to the fall, though it’s safe to assume next season’s roster will look a little different than the one that finished 2021/22.
The Knicks’ Offseason Plan:
The Knicks’ offseason intentions are difficult to ascertain, and not just because president of basketball operations Leon Rose has zero interest in ever speaking to the media. The team doesn’t project to have any cap room, but it also has very few long-term veteran contracts on its books and has an excess of future draft picks, so there’s some flexibility to make significant changes this summer if the front office wants to take that path.
Rose, Walker, Alec Burks, and Nerlens Noel will earn a combined $43MM in 2022/23, but all four are on either expiring contracts or de facto expiring deals that include a 2023/24 team option, making them intriguing trade chips, either in the offseason or at next year’s trade deadline.
Even the team’s two most expensive veterans, who are on longer-term deals, are potential trade candidates. Randle and Evan Fournier will be more difficult to move since they’re pricier and aren’t coming off their best seasons, which will make it challenging to agree on fair value. But it’s safe to assume the Knicks would listen on either one if they receive inquiries from potential trade partners.
While no player on the Knicks’ roster should be considered a mortal lock to return, RJ Barrett is pretty close. The former No. 3 overall pick struggled to maintain his level of scoring efficiency in 2021/22 as his usage rate continued to increase, but he has shown enough upside to be viewed as a long-term cornerstone in New York.
Barrett will be eligible for a rookie scale extension this offseason and it will be interesting to see how the Knicks approach those negotiations. If the 21-year-old isn’t willing to sign for anything less than the maximum salary, the club is probably better off waiting another year to further assess whether he’s worthy of that kind of financial commitment.
Besides Barrett, the Knicks will probably be inclined to hang onto most of the rest of their 24-and-under group, including Obi Toppin, Immanuel Quickley, Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride, and Cam Reddish. Perhaps one or two of them could be used to sweeten a trade package for an impact player, but if that sort of deal isn’t available, the team will want to continue evaluating its youngsters to determine which ones are keepers.
Reddish, like Barrett, is extension-eligible this offseason, but the Knicks haven’t seen enough from him yet to guarantee him anything long-term.
As the Knicks consider potential trades or free agent signings, adding a starting point guard remains a top priority. Jalen Brunson has been repeatedly linked to New York for months, and his connections to the franchise (via Rose and his father Rick Brunson) have been well documented, but it won’t be easy to pry him away from the Mavericks, who have repeatedly conveyed a desire to keep him.
Since they won’t have any cap room, the Knicks would either have to shed a couple contracts via trade to create the cap room necessary to make a serious offer for Brunson, or negotiate a sign-and-trade deal with a Dallas team that won’t be eager to help them out.
Neither one of those scenarios is out of the question, especially since Brunson will be unrestricted — if he wants to go to New York, he can make it happen. But the Knicks may be wary about giving up assets (in a sign-and-trade or in salary-dump trades) in order to give an undersized point guard upwards of $20-25MM per year. They weren’t interested in seriously pursuing a similar player (Fred VanVleet) at a similar rate a year ago when they had cap room available, so we’ll see if they make a real push for Brunson or look elsewhere for point guard help.
Trades may be the focus of the offseason for the Knicks, since 13 of their 15 standard-roster players remain under contracts, but there’s one key free agent to watch: big man Mitchell Robinson.
Like Brunson, Robinson signed a four-year contract as a second-round pick and will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, having never had to deal with restricted free agency. That will reduce the Knicks’ leverage and allow Robinson to sign outright with a new team without giving his current team a chance to match. It wouldn’t surprise me if he departs, given that he didn’t always seem thrilled about his role in New York — that could open the door for a new team to sell the young center on its vision for him.
Salary Cap Situation
Note: Our salary cap figures are based on the league’s latest projection ($122MM) for 2022/23.
Guaranteed Salary
- Julius Randle ($23,760,000)
- Evan Fournier ($18,000,000)
- Derrick Rose ($14,520,730)
- RJ Barrett ($10,900,635)
- Alec Burks ($10,012,800)
- Nerlens Noel ($9,240,000)
- Kemba Walker ($9,165,471)
- Cam Reddish ($5,954,454)
- Obi Toppin ($5,348,280)
- Immanuel Quickley ($2,316,240)
- Quentin Grimes ($2,277,000)
- Miles McBride ($1,563,518)
- Feron Hunt (two-way)
- Jericho Sims (two-way)
- Total: $113,059,128
Player Options
- None
Team Options
- None
Non-Guaranteed Salary
- Taj Gibson ($5,155,500)
- Total: $5,155,500
Restricted Free Agents
- None
Two-Way Free Agents
- None
Draft Picks
- No. 11 overall pick ($4,508,640)
- No. 42 overall pick (no cap hold)
- Total: $4,508,640
Extension-Eligible Players
Note: These are players who are either already eligible for an extension or will become eligible before the 2022/23 season begins.
- RJ Barrett (rookie scale)
- Cam Reddish (rookie scale)
Unrestricted Free Agents / Other Cap Holds
- Mitchell Robinson ($1,811,516 cap hold): Bird rights
- Ryan Arcidiacono ($1,811,516 cap hold): Non-Bird rights
- Total: $3,623,032
Offseason Cap Outlook
The Knicks currently project to operate over the cap. Their guaranteed salary and the cap hold for their first-round pick total approximately $118MM, so the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions would push team salary well past the projected $122MM cap.
The Knicks remain far below the projected luxury tax line ($149MM), so they should have the flexibility to re-sign Robinson and use the full mid-level exception, if they so choose. Theoretically, New York could even clear a little cap space by moving a mid-sized salary or two, but to take that route, the team would probably need to have a specific free target in mind and be very confident about its chances to secure that target.
Cap Exceptions Available
- Mid-level exception: $10,349,000 1
- Bi-annual exception: $4,050,000 1
- Trade exception: $1,175,818
Footnotes
- These are projected values. If the Knicks decide to go under the cap and use cap room, they’ll forfeit these exceptions (and their trade exception) and instead gain access to the room exception ($5,329,000).
Salary and cap information from Basketball Insiders and RealGM was used in the creation of this post.
Assumption
Stars trade value = 1.0
Knicks each player value = 0.2
Knicks propose to trade 5 players for 1 star?
No Knicks have more than 0.2 value
All their trade chips are old
With knee issues
Here’s hoping rose n Noel return to form
Simple statement! Nobody is gonna trade anything useful for Julius Randle ! Julius randle is also not good enough to lead a package for a star so Julius randle will most definitely spend 100% of all next season with Knicks for better or worse then we shall see what his value is this time next year
When Randle, Fournier, and DRose are on your team and making 56M between them you know you’re in trouble. All decent players, all overpaid.
Randle is way better than decent
Oh.
Hard to say what LeonRose’s plan is. Could be to let Robinson go & draft Duren or Williams. Williams has good shooting form but rarely used it— Coach K may not have been controlling enough in his farewell year. Noel is signed and the draft comes before free agency so picking a center would bring in offers for MR. The good perimeter prospects will likely be gone by #11.
Mark Williams definitely does not have good shooting form. Also there will definitely still obv be numerous good perimeter players available at #11
Hard to say what Williams shooting form is since he took all of 1 three pointer in college. However he did shoot .727 from the line this season, quite the improvement from his freshman season at .537.
It might be hard for you to say but it’s pretty cut & dry for me. I’ve seen him play a bunch (not just his stats). If you want a 5 that can shoot it then you should be looking at Orlando Robinson
You can look at DR if you want. Obv Williams strength is game-changing defense but his shooting has more promise than assigned from reports I have read. Players that young can improve more than initial opinions claim, and Williams has a lot of arm to coordinate. Why the rush to judge. Who are you maga?
Knicks gotta go after Tyus Jones like the future success of their franchise depends on it. He should be their starting pg next season no matter what it takes. I’d also definitely draft a lead guard with that lottery pick too. Jaden Hardy would be perfect if he’s there but TyTy Washington would be a great choice too. Another guy they should consider if he’s there is Orlando Robinson from Fresno. Rare to see legit 5s with his type of skill… Knicks have a lot of young talent. But they’re definitely lacking that #1 type guy capable of carrying a team to a deep postseason run. If RJ is gonna be that guy that’s gonna be yrs away. Randle is obv a really good forward but also obv not that #1 guy. Instead of doing something reckless the Knicks should keep their youngsters & let them figure things out next season. Having a steady pg like Tyus (literally the steadiest) will help them immensely & could def have them back in the playoffs in 2023… Id let Mitchell walk & then go after either/both of the hometown kid free agent 5s (Bamba & Drummond) if I’m them. I def look to move off a few of the vets too Rose back to Chi for DJJ would be sweet for both teams… the backcourt would be young, talented & inexperienced so survival of the fittest would def be the motto. TJones/Cam Reddish/RJ Barrett/Julius Randle/Andre Drummond is a pretty nice/balanced starting 5 & Rokas, Duece, IQ, Grimes, Fournier, DJJ, Obi, ORobinson, Nerlens off bench isn’t a title contender in 23 but def a pretty potent team with potential
No thanks
He isn’t decent. He’s really good.
Semantics my man.
If you’re talking about JuJu Randle I completely agree. The difference bw a NBA player that’s decent vs really good is pretty substantial tho
Not to me, or to Webster, hence my semantics statement.
Lol you’re choosing to say that decent & really good actually mean the same thing & that there’s not much difference bw a decent nba player & a really good nba player? Sure you dw delete/edit/repost that real quick?
You say the Knicks need a number one then say their franchise depends on getting a backup PG. Right.
There’s about a top 8 in this draft and NY is on the outside. So use the pick to not just solve the center problem, but upgrade it and not feel burned when MR leaves. In general save monies for snagging a star.
Tyus Jones for the MLE is good if that’s available, but poaching Bruce Brown from the Nets would be positive and possible. 40% from 3, good defense, physical, multitaskable, can work with Randle, complementary to skinnies Quickley, Fournier & Burke, repacement for Rose.
Counting on some other team wanting Randle may be disappointing.
perpetual rebuilding team
their FO competes with kings and garpax in terms of incompetence
Hopefully, Rose & Co. stick to their plan. Enough has gone right when they have that the overall story can still end well, but not enough to make it end well if they depart from it.
FAs: They’ll almost certainly operate over the cap. So, FA phase is (1) Mitch (whether to resign), (2) use of the MLE and BAE, and (3) any S&T. Brunson, almost certainly, is just going to re-up with DAL, likely before even officially becomes a FA. He’s simply worth more to DAL than any other team, they’re in the WCF, he likes his HC and teammates, and DAL won’t gain cap space if they don’t sign him. What could possibly happen that puts him in the market? No other FA PG is worth pursuing at anything close to the salary they’re likely to command, without even factoring in we don’t have the cap space. A veteran PG within the MLE is about all I’d expect in terms of FAs, and only if it’s not used to replace Mitch.
Trades: Its NY, so 10 trades will be reported for every one that happens. But, other than for stars, they shouldn’t trade (i) their own 1st rounders, and (ii) Barrett, IQ, Grimes, McBride, Sims (Toppin and Reddish don’t have the same fit to value ratio, so it would really depend). I don’t see them shopping Randle or Fournier this offseason, and neither is a desirable trade target at this point. So, despite the angst among the fanbase (some even justified), I expect both to be here to start next year. Outside of 2k land, neither is a bad contract; and even if they become that, a forced sale would not come until their cap numbers are relevant to personnel moves (2023-24, at the earliest). That’s how it works.
2023 Cap Space: Overriding goal in everything they do this year is not taking on too much salary beyond this season, as substantial cap space next season is critical.
Can’t go forward until they settle the Randle issue. We can’t have another yr like last yr. Frankly I’m done with him. I want Obi1 starting. I’d prefer moving Randle at the draft.
The way Mavs got handled, it’s over tonight. I’d think they’d be interested in bringing Randle home. He can help them and Luka. And they probably get him cheap.
Is this what you want to see happen, or what you (really) think will happen-?
I don’t think they’ll shop Randle, and I also don’t see many teams targeting him, but if one or two do (DAL is a possibility) I’m sure they’ll engage them. It’s the more typical approach and I don’t know enough of the details of the underlying problems to say definitely that they should be more aggressive than that. But I agree they can’t just pick it up where it left off last year.
Is what I want to see . But Randle has to go. I would think Dallas is a realistic move. I just don’t see moving ahead with Randle as the starting PF. We can’t redo this team if he is part of it. 100% believe that
i wanted to see the lineup of toppin quickley randle, mitchell and fournier, that can be the starting 5 IMO. Unfortunetly they didnt do that basically all season
So Barrett off the bench? I don’t see that happening
They’ll find a way to screw it up.
Resign Mitchell unless Detroit wants to trade the 5 pick for him.
Bag Thibs after the draft.
Trade Randle, Rose, Fournier, Walker, Noel and Burks for AD and Westbrook.
Lakers have championship expectation
Those Knicks guys can’t win Championships for Lakers.
Those Lakers guys can’t even make the playoffs so maybe set your sights a little lower.
AD & Russ can’t make playoffs? emac chill out
As much as Randle regressed. He still averaged 20.1 ppg 9.9 and 5.1 apg so he wasn’t a total horror show. His shooting percentages were low but his overall production was still good.
20/10/5 = not a total horror show
Randle is a head case. He’d be much better off in a smaller market. He’s dying for attention. He’s got plenty game with right team.
Exactly, this isn’t just about stats.
Or, as the ‘extra’ option in a team with plenty shooters, where he can be the Bulls’ version of Bobby Portis (irony intended).
So many expiring’s, I’d bet they get a ton of incoming calls. They hold high ground here, catch a desperate overpaying owner, sure ; but no need to deal to just deal this offseason-
This period should Jive well w Rose’s personality if he let’s it and drowns out the outside noise
I know the Knicks are sitting and waiting to get in on a good player who wants to leave. Or his team wants to move them to redo team. They are just lurking. But nothing good is happening unless they move Randle. It’s about the rebuild not his feelings. He’s gotta go.
As far as the draft goes. With players moving up the board. It’s looking real good for Knicks. Williams a SF could fall. TyTy should be there. Agbaji should be there. Even Mathurin who I’d really want. Is dropping a bit. And we could trade up for him. I think Knicks will look to trade up. If they believe they have a chance at a real talent.
I’ve looked at TyTy a lot this past wk. I think he can be a solid PG. Great handle plays under control and can shoot n score. I also like Agbaji alot. I think he can start at the 2 next yr. And Fournier can be a sixth man. Agbaji has the tools to be a very good 2way player.
Actually, AKME should be making friends with Rose. Nix have several pieces that would fit well and be effective as complements to the current roster. Robinson (bastard who clotheslined Lonzo Ball on last play of game 8 last year) would fit the rim protector and enforcer roles so they should make a bid in FA. But Noel, Rose, and Randle all could be part of a slight re-tool, and a little injection of Thibodeaux is just what this team needs.
Everyone, including the Knicks’ FO, was surprised by the 41 win season. So they attempted to build from that season instead of sticking to the rebuild. But the flubbed it up. All good, it happens to FOs in the NBA. However now is the time to get back on that rebuild. Knicks don’t have much maneuverability. So signing Brunson or Tyus would be very difficult, if not impossible. I really hope the Knicks keep this simple. Dump the vets (Kemba, Noel, Burks) for draft capital. If there’s no players they like at 11, then trade down, which might allow them to get Fournier off their hands. It would be a miracle if they were able to trade Randle this off-season. I’m still not sure how important it is to resign Mitch, especially with NY having a decent track record finding bigs in the 2nd round. Just dump the vets, play the kids, continue to build culture.
Maybe because, that’s the only way anything is built successfully, by building upon prior success. Of course, because of the NBA draft system, I’ll admit that demolishing prior success in favor of failure is better at draft time, so long as the ping pong balls bounce right. Fizdale did tell us that 17-65 seasons will build something great, I just didn’t think anyone believed him. Anyway, the only culture his or any other team of kids getting unearned minutes has ever built is a culture of un-accountability and hapless losing.
This FO has made its share of bad moves (some bad at the time), but an approach to building on success wasn’t one of them.
I completely understand why the FO went for it after a 4th seed. They took chances, nothing wrong with that IMO…Memphis, Cleveland, Toronto, Denver. There are several teams that have drafted efficiently and executed savvy trades to build rosters that are perennial playoff teams. The Knicks have not done this since Ewing. What stings deeper are the Fizdale/Phil Jax/Mills years, where the Knicks “attempted” rebuilds with FOs that didn’t have a clue. Wasted years with wasted picks. The current FO has shown a capacity to draft, lean on that and the trades will follow.
Historically, tear down rebuilds like the ones you mentioned don’t work without luck (ping pong balls).
MEM, to name one, I could use any of them. What did the MEM FO do that was different than ours that led to their current record? Their 2018 and 2019 records were as bad as ours. Difference between the current teams is draft position. The ping pong balls got them the picks that permitted them to draft JJJ and Morant, their two best players. We got Knox and Barrett (who I love, but he’s not Morant). They had big time vets like Gasol and Conley that netted them a few additional assets. What’s so savvy? If the ping pong balls bounced differently, and NYK had JJJ and Morant, would the NYK FO be savvy?
Some teams draft better than others at equivalent spots, true, but the top of the draft is by consensus. But if the real differences between any two teams are star players drafted at the top of the draft with picks resulting only from tanking and luck, it has nothing to do with being savvy. BTW, it also has nothing to do with developing young players. Which is fortunate, since most tanking teams say they’re developing young guys all over the roster, BUT of course, aren’t. They’re playing young guys to lose (period), and – btw – they do it despite the fact that it hurts their development (not even a neutral).
DXC, I understand your point and yes luck plays a role. But making the “right” draft pick, trading for the “right” player and signing the “right” players all contribute to lasting success and playoff appearances. And “right” can mean fit. Let’s look at GS. They drafted their entire main core, year after year. None of them were top 5 picks. Dray was a 2nd rounder. Poole was at the bottom of the first round. They also drafted Barnes, traded for Wiggins (who some considered a bust @ the time) and redeveloped him to fit their system. He becomes an all star. When GS began this process, they were still losing with Curry. But they kept on that plan of building with their youth. Now they’re in the finals 6 outta the last 8 years with that same group. All the while reloading with more picks like Kuminga, Moody & Wiseman. KD was their only big FA & have now shown they don’t need him to go back to the finals…all I’m saying is the Knicks can follow this method. Of course it’s far from fool proof but has shown to be worth it. This Knicks FO has shown the acumen to draft. Not so much to sign the right fit players, yet. If the 6 vets are dumped (let’s exclude Randle here), the rest of the roster would be all draft picks. Can’t remember the last time a Knicks team had so many of their own draft picks on roster. I hope they continue this trend and maybe they’ll get better at signing FAs.
@RJ SD: I totally AGREE on GSW. But that’s to my overall point. GSW did a classic rebuild starting with the drafts of 2009-2012. NOT the approach (I thought you were advocating) of “trade vets for picks” and just “play the young guys regardless of whether they’ve earned minutes” and don’t worry about “winning and losing”. GSW never tanked (which is why they didn’t have the highest picks). Curry, Thompson and Green ALL had to earn their minutes BEFORE getting them. Vets like Ellis and Lee were moved out when the guys behind them were better, NOT because they were younger.
The current NYK FO is trying to do a classic rebuild similar to what GSW and others have done. It’s NOT a tear down, it’s taking what works and building on it as you build team identity and culture. GSW didn’t win in their first 3 years after drafting Curry. The current NYK FO has been here only two years, and already has one winning season and an overall winning record (although barely). Of course, there are other comparisons that are not favorable to this NYK FO, and I have no problem calling out them out for them. But it’s important to REMEMBER that when GSW FO traded Ellis for Bogart, there was a rebellion among the fanbase, to the point that the owner was boo’d in the arena on Rick Barry’s night (he had to ask them to stop). I’m not saying that with patience we’re going to have the GSW success at all (we don’t have Jerry West), only that’s its too early to tell, and there is NO problem with their general approach of trying to win and build on it (it wasn’t just GSW’s approach, it’s the ONLY approach that’s built any championship roster). It’s not like they’ve traded future assets or spend years of cap space to win a few extra games. When they do that, I’m done with them. But they haven’t.
Imo the bigger problem with Randle. Is Thibs is still a big supporter. Thibs is loyal to a fault. And gets blinded by false hope of a player that went all out for him. The fans for the most part. Have seen enough of Randle. Thibs has only been here for his Big yr. We are smart fans and look at the whole picture, not one great yr.
Fact is he sulked last yr. He fought with media and fans. He acted like a petulant child at times. He put his needs and feelings before the team. And regress to the way he played the first two yrs here.
This is a young impressionable team. We don’t need this. Randle can help a team if he just plays. Seems to me Dallas his hometown will bring out the best in him. Plus they will be coming off a great yr. Knicks should be on the phone. Mitch can go there too if they take Randle. Forget Brunson, you know I’m a Dinwiddie guy. Dinwiddie and Bertans would be a nice start.