10:55pm: The Knicks have officially announced their part of the trade with the Hornets, indicating that this deal will actually be split into two separate transactions. The Knicks and Pistons can’t complete their half of the trade until Detroit opens up cap room in July.
9:47pm: Zach Lowe of ESPN confirms (via Twitter) that the Bucks’ 2025 first-rounder is headed to the Knicks in the deal. That means the trade, as reported so far, looks like this:
- Pistons acquiring Jalen Duren and Kemba Walker.
- Knicks acquiring Bucks’ 2025 first-round pick (top-four protected; from Pistons).
- Hornets acquiring Nuggets’ 2023 first-round pick (top-14 protected), Knicks’ 2023 second-round pick, the Jazz’s 2023 second-round pick, either the Mavericks’ or Heat’s 2023 second-round pick (whichever is more favorable), and the Knicks’ 2024 second-round pick (all from Knicks).
9:29pm: According to Rod Boone of The Charlotte Observer (Twitter link), the Hornets are receiving the Nuggets’ 2023 first-round pick, the Knicks’ 2023 second-round pick, Utah’s 2023 second-round pick, either Dallas’ or Miami’s 2023 second-round pick (whichever is most favorable), and the Knicks’ 2024 second-round pick.
All of those second-rounders belonged to New York, while the Nuggets’ 2023 first-rounder (top-14 protected) was held by the Thunder — it’s presumably one of the picks headed to the Knicks in the Ousmane Dieng trade.
Boone’s report suggests that the Bucks’ 2025 first-rounder will go from Detroit to New York rather than to Charlotte, but we’ll await further confirmation to be sure.
8:26pm: The Hornets will trade Memphis center Jalen Duren to the Pistons after selecting him 13th overall in tonight’s draft, according to Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report (Twitter link).
According to Fischer (Twitter link), it’ll be a three-team trade that also involves the Knicks. Sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link) that New York is sending Kemba Walker to Detroit as part of the trade.
However, it seems unlikely that Walker will remain with the Pistons for long, as sources tell ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski (Twitter link) that the two sides are expected to discuss a buyout of the final year of his contract, which is worth $9.17MM next season.
James L. Edwards III of The Athletic first reported (via Twitter) that a deal was close, while Wojnarowski says (via Twitter) that Charlotte is acquiring the 2025 Milwaukee first-round pick (top-four protected) that Detroit is receiving from Portland in the Jerami Grant trade.
Meanwhile, Rod Boone of The Charlotte Observer reports (via Twitter) that the Hornets are acquiring four second-round picks in the deal. The details on those second-rounders have yet to be reported, but it seems likely that most, if not all, of them are coming from the Knicks as part of the price for dumping Walker’s contract.
Duren averaged 12.0 PPG, 8.1 RPG, and 2.1 BPG in 29 games (25.3 MPG) during his first and only college season, earning AAC Freshman of the Year honors and making the All-AAC First Team. He won’t turn 19 until November after graduating from high school a year early, making him one of the youngest players in the draft class.
Walker would eat Pistons cap room
Why?
Like the Pistons were gonna sign anyone? Lol
Bc they don’t have anyone who can create their own shot
Pistons are buying him out.
Exactly why the Pistons were able to make this move. Cleared cap room with Grant and have a ton.
Using cap for low cost assets to build a young nucleus. Now they can go into FA and lure a quality talent with the growing talent in Detroit. Almost like same situation OKC is in, cept you’d probably prefer Detroit over OKC.
No he wouldn’t. They have over 40M.
The Pistons have between 47 and 55 million in cap space depending on whether they pick up Frank Jackson and Diallo’s contracts … Kemba’s contract is only 1 year for 9 million and they most likely will buy hun out for closer to 5 or 6 million. They will still have the most cap room in the NBA
Yeah this doesn’t make sense
So Grant for Duran and Rose. Pretty good for the pistons
you mean Kemba?
Ugh!!! Why?!
You need a center desperately, you get the best one in the draft and you trade him not even an hour later?!
Shams says Duren is going to New York tho
They just drafted Williams
What’s the gain for Charlotte?
The bucks pick is almost guaranteed to be a worse pick than 13
So they also got 4 second round picks. They could have picked Duran or Williams based on which one they liked better and then select Griffin or someone similar. I guess they didn’t want two rookies this year. They had two first round picks last year and they didn’t get much playing time
Can someone post the actual trade, this post is so damn scattered I have no clue who got what lol
Shams said Duren is going to New York but Woj said Duren is going to Detroit
I think Duren did come to NY but got shipped with Kemba to Detroit.
You got it.
So basically CHA traded Duren for Milwaukee’s 2025 FRP. They do realize Gianni’s will still be there right?
What the actual F??
Exactly my question. They had the best Center in the draft fall into their lap and they somehow didn’t see what everyone sees. They traded him away and moved down essentially for nothing. Stupid.
Duren is just another Stewart. DET got depth at the least important position.
CHA has a #15 left for Mark williams, who affects opposing offenses.
Bad move for Charlotte. That Milwaukee pick probably won’t be nearly this high. Might be in the late 20s…
hornets got their center 2 picks later
they obviously didn’t want to have 2 rookies in the team and traded one away.
Am I missing something, the bucks pick is very likely to be worse than 13th …?
+4 2nd round picks and they already got their center with 15th pick
This is all from Woj so just follow his twitter feed.
Pistons have plenty more cap room…whats next?
I just don’t get this for the Hornets. Their return isn’t that great. They could have just drafted AJ Griffin with this pick. Griffin and Williams would have been a great draft. Missed opportunity.
If the Pistons can keep these 2 rookies and then sign away Ayton from Phoenix, then Detroit may be SICK very soon! You get Ayton, Duren, Bey, Ivey and Cunningham with Bagley, Stewart and others coming off the bench? Wow
So Duren is a backup already in your plan. Ha
Duren will not turn 19 until November, so his first year probably a back up
So Knicks got 4 1st round picks essentially for a first rounder and 4 2nds…and got rid of Kembas contract and Knicks fans are crying…I love it those picks are are gonna buy a star
Virtually zero will be lottery picks. Who’s trading a blue chip talent for a bunch of 15+ picks?
They only got three 1sts, not four. One of the picks they got from OKC was Denver’s 2023 top 14-protected 1st, which was included in this deal going to Charlotte.
Here’s how I see it in simple terms (could be wrong because this was confusing).
Knicks traded:
-Kemba Walker’s $9 million expiring deal
-three 2023 2nds and one 2024 2nd
-2022 #11 overall pick
Knicks received:
-Bucks 2025 top-4 protected
-Wizards 2023 top 14-protected
-Pistons 2023 top-18 protected
It’s probable that the Wizards and Pistons picks don’t convey until 2024 or 2025 (the protections loosen slightly).
Ultimately, I think this deal will be a whole lot of nothing either way.
Well summarized
I like it for NYK…They didn’t like what was there and did well to abort
They essentially netted 2 1sts for 4 2nds …def better ammo if needed the next 1~3 years than 2nd Rders in the market –
Staying fluid, I’ve felt Rose has handled the drafts pretty well considering the cards he’s been dealt the last couple years. Let’s see what he does with the open cap which has been questionable as of late
Where does it say the Pistons are giving up their 2023 pick?
Part of the other trade – corrected myself
I think the Knucks also traded Denver 23 1 Rd pick am I mistaken or was this possibly the stupidest 2 moves ever? Just buy Walker out, are these machinations all about clearing space for Brunson? And get back absolutely nothing but heavily protected picks that aren’t even good trade chips? Maybe I’m missing something but this seems like a complete botch to me and unless there’s something else afoot here this FO is no good.
I’m hoping that the Pistons shift their focus to Bridges. Let Duren develop at center. Cade, Ivey, and Bridges playing the one, two, and three would be sick.
They got 3 firsts from thunder
And all protected in the lottery, most out to at least 2026. Picks will be worthless when they convey, if they ever convey
The picks are all from 2023 except the 25 bucks pick
Not what I saw:
link to twitter.com
multiple years of protection out to 2027 on the latest. What happens if the picks do not convey on time?
Right now the Knicks have 5 2023 first round picks…the 3 they got tonight plus their own plus Dallas pick from Porzingus trade
They only have four 2023 1sts. One of those (the Denver top-14 pick) was traded to the Hornets.
In reality, though, they probably will only have two 2023 1sts, because Detroit’s is top-18 protected and Washington’s is top-14 protected.
My bad the Denver pick got rerouted to Charlotte in the whole deal
welp
and both Detroit and Washington are likely lottery teams again next year, which means neither pick goes to the Knicks. Both have lottery protections on them (Detroit 1-18)
There’s still more going to the Knicks.
5 picks in next years draft which is a great draft for a pick in 2025 & 9 million dollars?
That’s not even close.
They only have four 2023 1sts. One of those (the Denver top-14 pick) was traded to the Hornets.
In reality, though, they probably will only have two 2023 1sts, because Detroit’s is top-18 protected and Washington’s is top-14 protected.
I’m talking about trading 5 picks to get one in 2025 and 9 million dollars.
You’re trying to make this look OK by combining the two trades but this trade is separate and it’s a massive overpay.
And they get Bucks #1 pick in 2023. Just basically gave up 3 second rd picks to dump salary. Which can only mean they have a trade and or a signing in waiting.
Everyone on here wondering why the Hornets traded the Duren pick… they couldn’t afford the salary for both the 13th and 15th picks plus try to keep Miles Bridges in free agency. They might not be able to keep him as is unless they can convince someone to take on Gordon Haywords contract… probably why they wanted to aquire more future picks as well.. next years draft is deeper and they might get someone to accept that draft capital to take Hayword in tge future as the 13th pick this year obviously wasn’t enough to get someone to bite on that
Knicks fans are going crazy figuring all their deals. Probably the GM’s point— if there’s no way to win over the fans, baffle them with complexity. Defer picks, ignore protections. It will sound good enough in the inevitable summaries.
NYK made a good trade (with OKC), but I don’t like the CHA/DET deal.
Gave up:
#11
four 2nd rounders
Got:
2023 DET 1st (declining protection through 2027)
2023 WSH 1st (declining protection through 2026)
2025 MIL 1st (5-30)
Rid of Walker’s $$ (9.1 mm) and the cap space allotted to #11 (3.7 mm)
OK. This is good work if they get they have a S&T lined up. Otherwise, just punting.
Knicks didn’t give up #11.
They got three #1s for pick 11.
They gave up Denver #1 pick and three second rd picks. And got back Bucks #1 in 2023. For dumping Kemba.
AL teaching knickian trading again
Reading comprehension is all you need. I don’t make the trades
OK all the geniuses here take a breath. Knicks didn’t give up Duren. Hornets did.
Knicks basically gave up three second rd picks to dump Kemba. Which they could gave done at any time this yr. It’s not fully guaranteed.
So it can only mean they have a commitment from a FA to sign. And they added more #1 picks to move for an established player. Which a trade can also be in place already.
So get your facts right to Hate. And stop showing your genus till Knicks are done.
It ain’t t over till it’s over …. Yogi is watching
Don’t know if they still are after Ivey. But after that. I would have kept Duren and traded Mitch in a sign n trade.
At 11 …….
Agbaji, Duren, Griffin all three would have been right for me. I know more moves are coming. So I’ll save my judgement till then.
Why are you lying about this and trying to minimize what the Knicks traded?
“So it can only mean they have a commitment from a FA to sign.”
that’s pure conjecture my dear Al
It could only mean that in rational FOs like the spurs, raptors, not for the knicks though
It’s called common sense. See people who are informed. Can make informed assumptions. Takes commitment and IQ
But why would the Knucks give up 4 seconds and a first for nothing on top of trading for protected picks that chances are will not convey for years which also makes them less valuable to trade. If those picks were unprotected it would make more sense as trade chips or more rebuilding but they got nothing out of this other than losing Kembas salary I mean come on you have to put in better work than that there’s no upside here at all Dolans curse continues this FO when compared to teams like Grizzlies Pels and Bulls is not on the right trajectory Brandon at 25 M or not.