12:17pm: According to Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report (Twitter link), sources with knowledge of the situation increasingly believe that Irving is willing to decline his player option and sign with the Lakers for the $6.4MM taxpayer mid-level exception.
In that scenario, Fischer writes, Irving could get a raise and a longer-term deal from the Lakers in 2023. The team still doesn’t project to have enough room to offer him a max contract at that point, but could theoretically get close.
Meanwhile, in his full story on the Irving situation, Wojnarowski writes that Durant “remained an advocate” for the Nets to give Kyrie a long-term deal.
11:42am: The Nets and Kyrie Irving haven’t made any real progress toward reaching an agreement that will keep him in Brooklyn going forward, writes Kristian Winfield of The New York Daily News.
In fact, according to Winfield, Irving’s camp has requested and received permission from the Nets to speak to other teams about potential trade scenarios. Alex Schiffer of The Athletic and Brian Lewis of The New York Post (Twitter links) have heard the same thing.
Although those reports suggest Irving’s camp is looking into possible “sign-and-trade packages,” many of the teams said to be on the point guard’s wish list wouldn’t have the ability to acquire him via sign-and-trade due to their proximity to the projected luxury tax line.
Sign-and-trade talks also technically aren’t allowed until free agency begins this Thursday evening, as ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski notes (via Twitter). While teams and agents often play fast and loose with those rules, they may be a little more hesitant to do so this year after two teams were penalized last year for “gun-jumping” violations related to sign-and-trade agreements.
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Opt-in-and-trade scenarios – in which Irving picks up his $36.9MM player option for 2022/23 – would be more viable for many potential trade partners. Kyrie has until Wednesday to make a final decision on his option, and there’s a sense in both league and player circles that he may have played his last game in Brooklyn, says Winfield.
According to Wojnarowski, however, no teams besides the Lakers are seriously considering the idea of pursuing Irving, and Brooklyn isn’t believed to have interest in any trade package L.A. could realistically offer.
Wojnarowski’s report is similar to what he said during a TV appearance on Friday (hat tip to NetsDaily). At that time, Woj described the talks between the Nets and Irving as “acrimonious,” but suggested that no teams besides the Lakers were thought to have serious interest in the point guard. The other clubs reported to be on Irving’s wish list are the Mavericks, Heat, Clippers, Knicks, and Sixers.
“The interest isn’t mutual in several of these places,” Wojnarowski said on ESPN.
Here are more updates on the Irving situation:
- According to Sam Amick of The Athletic, there are sources close to the situation who “strongly believe” Irving is trying to make his way to the Lakers. Amick, who gets the sense that LeBron James is “very open” to the idea, notes that most people around the NBA believe the Nets would have zero interest in taking on Russell Westbrook in any trade with the Lakers.
- Amick has heard that the Knicks have no interest in Irving and expect him to end up remaining in Brooklyn. Amick describes the Clippers as in “wait-and-see” mode when it comes to Kyrie.
- Even with the threat of Irving’s departure seemingly increasing and Kevin Durant‘s future uncertain, the Nets appear unlikely to relent and offer Kyrie a long-term maximum-salary contract, ESPN’s Zach Lowe said during a Monday appearance on Get Up (video link). “Everything I’ve heard, the max deal is not coming. The Nets are not going to be held hostage by the threat of Kyrie Irving (leaving) and then Kevin Durant following him out the door,” Lowe said. “They appear ready to actually take some kind of stand here. That doesn’t mean that there’s not going to be a fair compromise offer somewhere, wherever that lands.”
- While Lowe did suggest that a compromise between Irving and the Nets is possible, he believes Kyrie’s flight risk is real: “I do think this is a precarious situation for the Nets. I don’t think this is the kind of thing where it’s actually kind of calm and the media is blowing this out of proportion. I do think there are scenarios where in a week he’s gone and the Durant situation is wobbly.”
Nets have 2 requirements
The team interests in Irving need to have
1. Cap Room
2. Valuable assets like young star or good young players
At this moment, Lakers are the only team who seriously interested in Irving.
If a team has $30 million cap room, Nets can trade Irving for a good rookie contract and save $80 million luxury tax.
Sign and Trade
Irving is seeking 4-year $187 million starting at $43 million
for now
I don’t think Lakers are seriously interested now.
So you’re just replying to yourself now?
Sillivan is a bot
Why don’t the mods get rid of the bot that is Sillivan? They’re mods. They only have one job. MODERATE!
Silivan is entertaining and doesn’t ever attack other posters.
Been posting here for years and haven’t seen one contentious post from Sillivan. Yet everyday some weak keyboard bully is trying to take a shot at him. Its really quite ridiculous!
He obviously speaks English as a second language. I enjoy messing with him on occasion, but regularly picking on him is lame.
let him walk, even if it means having to move Durant too. Guy is not a team player
Yeah but you lose that salary space since they’re most likely over the cap. They’d want some type salary filler for player(s) or tradable assets to use
Lakers are “in on” everyone but have absolutely nothing to offer
“In on” = Pelinka calls GM and asks if they are interested in a package of Westbrook, Nunn and/or Horton-Tucker for their better valued player. He’s probably made more 30 second phone calls than any other GM in the league. Lol
Oh Rob hey *click*
Davis Bertans, Dwight Powell, and the Josh Richardson trade exception. Done!
You can’t trade trade exceptions, nor can you use one in any transaction that involves more than the one (and only one) player you’re acquiring. They’d have to get far enough under the cap for the TPE to cover the rest of Kyrie’s salary, which is basically impossible for the Mavs.
The only way Kyrie moves to a good team is if he agrees to play at the taxpayer MLE, which is $6m. And even then it might be hard to find a taker.
Honestly, if I’m Miami, I’d pursue a Lowry for Irving framework. I’d say offer Lowry, Yurtseven, Vincent, and a future first to see if they will bite.
Lowry was not much help for Miami in the playoffs and I think Kyrie would be a calculated 1 year risk. Would give Miami a much needed scorer… if it doesn’t work out Miami frees up some cap for next summer.
I don’t think he wants to go anywhere unless it’s a sign and trade or opting out and signing him outright. He wants long term financial security so if Miami wants him it would be a minimum of 4 year commitment.
Agreed and I don’t see Riley doing that
I love Kyrie’s game. He is so talented and so fun to watch. With that said, who really would give up much for him? His value couldn’t be lower right now.
Kyrie sense of entitlement off the charts.
The no vaccine choice showed Nets FO Kyrie not a team player. Wiggins didn’t want the vaccine, was reasonable, won a trophy.
Nets are offering Kyrie an extension but it’s not the extension he wants! Are you kidding me?
I bet Ben Simmons is a much better fit with KD than Kyrie anyway. The myopic Harden trade decimated Nets defense and depth.
Interesting take. I wasn’t too concerned with Kyrie’s vax stance and even praised him for standing up to the idiotic NY politicians, seeing how he could sit sideline during games but couldn’t play and opposing unvaxxed players could which made no sense in stopping the spread of covid. I have nothing to say about the other times he sat.
Old LeBron, broken AD and intransigent Kyrie. What could possibly go wrong?
Westbrick is still there. Gonna be hard to move him so they can get Kyrie!
What do they have to move ? Kyrie looking to play on mid level exception
If youre the Knicks here’s your shot
Toppin, Grimes, Reddish, Burks, Gibson works money wise. Figure out whatever else is needed to make the deal work.
So your trading multiple young, and useful players for Kyrie on an expiring that your not sure if he will even show up. Also with a big wave on a new variant NY could re impose mandates.
Define useful.
Knicks drafted Toppin with Randle on the roster when they needed a PG. He’s useful as a trade piece where he can get playing time.
Grimes isn’t anything worth writing home about.
Reddish is streaky and idk why Knicks traded for him in the first place tbh.
Burks and Gibson are bench piece veterans.
Offense runs through PG. Knicks desperately tried to trade up for Ivey so clearly the know they need a PG.
Knicks should definitely explore trading for Kyrie.
Money showed that mandates are bs. They won’t be coming back because then the money stops coming. You’d figure after all this time you’d already know how this works lmfao.
Highly doubtful he leaves that much $ on the table to flee in free agency. Just a bluff trying to force the Nets hand.
You know on one hand I agree because giving up $30+ million would be insane. On the other hand this is Kyrie and he has shown he doesn’t make the most logical decisions so who knows.
He already gave up a lot of money this year due to his choice not to get vaccinated. Money is not his only motivator.
On one hand, everyone should have a work situation like pro athletes, namely the NBA. Must be nice. On the other, it’s amazing some are buying into this “blame management” theme. I used to think this was betrayal of Durant. Maybe. But this entire scenario is betrayal of the Nets fan base and their management
Just incredible
Wizards if theyngive up guys they got for Westbrook.
25 teams just changed their phone numbers.
Kyrie will take the $6.4M. If you don’t think Lebron makes it up to him by ensuring he gets his Nike deal back to the tune of 100M or so as part of the “agreement,” I have a bridge by the Bay to sell you.
The amount of money that goes back and forth behind the scenes and totally off the NBA’s official books would astound you.
As they should . Lebron got AD to take a few million less to facilitate something I forget. But AD was in space jam as a result
Please enlighten us to some of these astounding backroom deals Mr. NBA behind-the-scenes insider.
Examples please.
I’d be surprised if KI can command the type of contract he’s seeking from any team, at this time. That being the case, KI should just “opt in” and play out the last year of his contract. If he has a more normal season, then he’ll get a new max deal. If not, then his value will need to be reset. It makes no sense to force a long term deal at the lowest value point possible.
But that makes too much sense. This is Kyrie we’re talking about…
FAKE NEWS!
Kyrie will not opt out and then take $6M from the Lakers. Anybody believing that nonsense is a fool. I suppose there is always a 1% chance, but I’d call any player’s bluff on this point every time. Owners and execs are rather gullible so I don’t blame Kyrie for trying to gain leverage.
Kyrie’s plan is ball out on the mid level exception. Win the fans over, lakers pay him
Thank you, Knicks. Please don’t even consider this headcase. So demanding to simply expect someone to do their job. Prima donnas are enabled these days. So funny to see him wanting to return under LeVron’s wing after he “tried” to make it on his own. I guess he is more self-aware now.
Playing for the Lakers on the MLE seems odd when he’s trying to get more money from the Nets, but then again Kyrie’s proven he’s not afraid of losing millions. That being said Kyrie’s also proven that’s a little odd.
If anyone knows or can legitimately contact him, just tell him to read the comments here. Silliman has every scenario covered. Reasonable, logical, fiscally possible, or downright ludicrous and laughable, he’s got it covered.
To help out a bit, I’ll share an idea he emailed me just today (I’m kidding, but I think he’d run with it..)
Kyrie plus a 2026 3rd rounder the Nets acquired from the Marlins to the Cowboys for Mike McCarthy and Dez Bryant’s last game worn jersey, who then flip Kyrie to the Dodgers for Orel Hershiser’s team HOF display and the complete historical collection of Dodgers player bobbleheads, plus managers, GM’s and front office personnel.
Imagine having the kind of money you can just say “fk it” im giving away 30 million because I don’t like it here.
Proceed to go to LA and still make 6 million.
I am Jealous
Kyrie needs to read the comments at HR to see how he screwed up his future by taking a pro-deadly virus stand.
Why would the Nets want Kyle Lowry
Why would the Nets want Kyle Lowry??
Haha as soon as the Lakers said “Mid Level Exception”, he called an Uber to Brooklyn.