With less than 48 hours remaining for Kyrie Irving to make a decision on his $36.9MM player option for 2022/23, he and the Nets are engaged in a “Grade-A staredown,” ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said during an appearance today on NBA Today (video links).
Since Irving and the Nets reached an impasse in their contract extension talks, there have been rumors suggesting that Kyrie is willing to walk away from the Nets and to potentially take a $30MM+ pay cut for the 2022/23 season by signing with the Lakers using their $6.4MM taxpayer mid-level exception.
However, the Nets haven’t backed down in their negotiations with the seven-time All-Star and are playing hardball themselves, even with Kevin Durant‘s future in Brooklyn potentially tied to Irving’s, according to Windhorst.
“The message that is being sent around the league – and before I say this, this could just be a negotiating position – but the message the Brooklyn Nets are sending is that they are willing to risk losing Kevin Durant if it means (not) going through what they went through last year with Kyrie Irving,” Windhorst said. “They just cannot have him back under the same terms that they had last year. I think they would be willing to welcome him back under different terms, both contractual and an understanding with the organization. But if it costs them both players to avoid a repeat of last year, they are sending the message that they are willing to do that.”
Irving’s decision not to get vaccinated against COVID-19, despite New York City’s vaccine mandate, was a major factor in him suiting up for just 29 of 82 possible regular season games in 2021/22. That mandate wasn’t lifted until late in the regular season and Irving’s inconsistent availability contributed not just to the Nets’ inconsistent play but to James Harden‘s decision to request a trade.
As Windhorst explains, the Nets’ stance in their negotiations with Irving – which has been driven not just by management by but owner Joe Tsai – has sent “ripple effects” across the NBA, as teams around the league consider where Kyrie could end up and what it might take to trade for Durant.
“I have talked to several star players’ agents in the last 24 hours whose teams have come to the star player and said, ‘How do you feel about playing with Kyrie Irving? How do you feel about playing with Kevin Durant?'” Windhorst said. “Teams are preparing for this contingency.”
The Nets are likely willing to take an aggressive stance in their talks with Irving at least in part because most of the teams he would be interested in joining either don’t appear eager to pursue him or would be hard-pressed to find a way to acquire him. The Lakers, Sixers, Heat, Mavericks, Clippers, and Knicks are reportedly on Irving’s wish list, but many of those clubs don’t reciprocate his interest, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
Wojnarowski reported earlier today that only the Lakers have legitimate sign-and-trade interest in Irving, and their trade chips don’t appeal to Brooklyn, which is why accepting the $6.4MM taxpayer MLE might be Kyrie’s only viable path to Los Angeles.
If Irving picks up his player option for 2022/23, it would make him easier to trade, but the Nets would also be under no obligation to make a move at that point — the two sides would have all season to potentially negotiate an extension.
“It seems to me that the Nets want Kyrie to opt in because that relieves the pressure a little bit and it buys more time,” Windhorst said. “He can negotiate for a period of time. He doesn’t have to decide on the extension this week. They can try to figure things out — it removes the immediate pressure, and I think that’s probably the best. Because at the end of the day, the Nets don’t want to lose Kevin Durant. The Nets could have a very good team for next year. … They don’t want to blow this up, but they are willing to bring it to the precipice to blow it up to try to get what they want.”
Drama doing the regular season, now drama in the off season. Who will Irving blame this time
Will the Lakers give Irving 4-year $187m contract starting from 2023-24?
If not, Irving could lose $100 million next 5 years
Immature
Again, Kyrie is an incredibly good basketball player, he is so fun to watch play. But in 11 years in the NBA he has only played over 70 games twice, and the last two years he missed the majority of games because of personal decisions, not injury.
Who wants to pay top dollar for that? No one, I imagine.
In those same 11yrs he’s scored over 14,000pts, shot 47% from the field on a vast array of shots from all 3 levels. You say yourself he’s incredibly good (guess something just wouldn’t let u call him great lol) yet you forget how great he is when wondering why he’d get paid top dollar. The unbelievable talent for scoring & just incredible overall floor game is why he’s gonna get paid top dollar. Lol it shouldn’t be that hard to imagine
He’s great. I have no idea why you get so wound up about semantics over and over again.
If you don’t get my point, you will when he doesn’t get a max.
Annnnd, I was right.
Lol… about what?
About him not getting max? Which is what I said?
Dude, you have some thinking issues.
He’s never going to play!
Lol you said this after he sat out most of his freshman yr at Duke too didn’t u? 14,000pts later he’s opting in to a $37M check while wearing his nba title ring lol keep hating tho
People who don’t show up get piled on talked on.
Nets played it wise here, they give the KI-KD duo another year to prove themselves. I doubt they get five more if they go oh-fer.
He got paid per opting in to his existing contract, which is well below top dollar.
Are the Nets truly willing to go back to being the Clippers of the East? The team that no one talks or cares about. They’ve definitely been there before (for most of their existence). I highly doubt they’re willing to go back. Give the talent what he wants & maybe do a better job of having your players back next time. Or lose the only 2 guys that anyone cares about in your organization (Nash, Blake & Aldridge all HOFers imo, but it’s not 10yrs ago). Worst they’ll do with KD/Kyrie is make the playoffs & burn out quickly like we just saw. Just as likely if not moreso is deep playoff runs & thousands of hrs of free national media coverage for the next few yrs. Without those 2 guys they’ll be irrelevant for yrs to come
Nets could only wish to be the Clippers of the East.
How has giving the players what they want worked the last 2 years?!?! With record payrolls?!?!
It’s worked better than the alternative which I guess was build around Caris LeVert, Joe Harris & D’Angelo Russell. I’ll take KD, Kyrie & Harden/Ben over that all day. Just bc they had a lot of talent & didn’t win the title doesn’t mean you clean house & willingly go back to sucking. If they give Kyrie what he wants they have the most talented team in the East. That’s obv a good spot to be in. Without Kyrie & KD they’re most likely gonna be in a very bad spot for yrs to come. Again I highly doubt they willingly go back to cellar just like that. If they do then that’s great for me & my team tho lol we got a good shot at getting KD
I salute your fandom. I guess if I was a Nets fan, I’d feel kind of betrayed by Harden getting cold feet and by Kyrie’s head problems. I’d feel put off that here is Irving, who’s missed more than he played, making contract demands. And the guy I would feel some connection to—Durant—is also said to be unhappy and contemplating a trade demand
Yeah, these guys gave you some thrills when they played together and a lot of “what if’s” and “coulda…shoulda…woulda” material but I’d wonder if most Nets fans feel like you
Shame. Should have been a special team. Egos.
The reason people talk about the Nets now is not for ANY particularly positive reason!
Why is it that the Nets think they hold any power in this situation. Completely realistic that Kyrie opts out and signs the MLE in LA. He’s shown he’s capable of doing something that crazy. As soon as that happens KD is asking out and while you might get a decent return for Durant it won’t be enough to stay out of the lottery for the next 3 seasons at a minimum. Unfortunately they fire sold every pick they have over the next decade for a pipe dream.
Best case for Brooklyn is selling KD to Miami for Bam or Herro (highly doubt they get both) and sell Ben for anyone delusional enough to want him and start the long hard rebuild then cornered themselves into.
Miami would have to give up both Bam & Herro to beat Atl’s offer for KD
IT isn’t realistic AT ALL. GMs who believe that nonsense are why so many NBA players have too much leverage. These dudes are after the money. They aren’t passing on $25M because they don’t like someone. I guarantee if most of the teams said “OK, opt-out and go get a deal somewhere else. We will manage” these players would fold. These guys are fronting!
On another note: Durant and Simmons (if he plays) can be top 3 in the east.
They can’t manage without Kyrie & KD tho. Last yr showed pretty well that they need all their guys to consistently win games
These headlines are getting more and more ridiculous each day. What does Windshorts know about stare downs that gives him the right to start grading them? I’ve been in a few stare downs in my life and they’ve usually involved some sort of cholo.
See he writes the headlines so you read the article then comment on it.
It’s a big secret, I know.
A guy like Windhorst or Bayless or any # of em who makes a clown of himself & says dumb provocative things for clicks/views instead of just being a good journalist & being good at talking basketball deserves to get clowned. I mean it’s clearly a ridiculous headline & the article is sensationalized garbage as much as I saw of it
Yeah, no kidding. And you clicked on it.
It’s amazing to me people see an article with a sensationalistic headline, then click on it, then question why it has a sensationalistic headline.
You are going off of the notion that the only reason people click on articles is whether they have a weird headline or not lol. That’s obviously crazy. Just being completely honest I haven’t even read the article, only the quotes from it on this post. I’m a basketball fan I’m gonna read pretty much anything about Kyrie bc it’s Kyrie, not bc, “Kyrie & Nets continue pissing contest” or whatever their backup choice was. I promise that this game, this league & these players/teams are interesting enough without pandering to the lowest & the dumbest & without being messy and spiteful towards certain guys. Is just talking actual basketball that strange or boring for a basketball writer to do?
I didn’t say ” the only reason people click on articles is whether they have a weird headline or not”
I write for numerous popular Internet sites. Just trying to give you some info.
Rage on.
Nepotism is clearly what rages on if you actually write for any site other than in these comments lol. Any journalistic talent that you own must come thru clearer in your 1st language. Polish? German maybe?
I also write for numerous popular online publications.
You can find my work in publications such as p*rnhub.com (top POV commenter2019) as well as twitter.com (@b*ttholesurfer68)
I also provide occasional political commentary in the comments on CNN’s YouTube channel (in the comments).
I take that as a compliment coming from someone who can’t write a coherent sentence.
I doubt Sank reads much of the comments either. He hates nearly everyone and their posts, and this comment section, has said so many times, brags on it. People think he’s a kid since he writes like one, so they let him off.
Seems like these catch phrases resonate well with NBA fans, for whatever reason. My favorite was Donovan Mitchell being ‘unsettled, unnerved, and wondering about the future’. These guys just make this stuff up. Now you’ll probably say something like ‘well you clicked on it’ and I’ll say if my click is what you’re after rather than reporting actual news than I feel sorry for the shallow person who wrote the article in the first place. I’m here for the comment section anyways.
HA! Yeah these chumps are just using cool words and phrases for clicks and headlines.
Im pretty sure Windhorst has had some pretty epic stare downs with some of those Burger place billboards off the side of the freeway with the 8 ft Burgers
Id be scared if I was the car behind him tbh
For drama purposes, I would love Kyrie on the Lakers. Kyrie and Westbrook co-existing. Kyrie taking a massive pay cut to play with LeBron after previously demanding a trade in Cleveland to not have to play with LeBron. AD and his never-ending series of injuries. Squeaking into the play-in game and losing it to the Kings (least likely but I want it). Inject this into my veins.
How would you feel watching them march to a title tho? Bron’s 5th, Kyrie matching Zeke with his 2nd, AD surpassing KG with his 2nd. Ima guess you wouldn’t love that so much. Lol you say you want this in your veins but trust me ish can get ugly/out of control quick. Bron have u out here lookin like a zombie lol
I’ve already seen LeBron win titles. I don’t hate him, so it wouldn’t bother me. Plus, seeing Russ win a title would be amazing.
Agreed, A Lakers team with Russ and Kyrie? I would have to root for that. Sank just assumes hate.
And I continue to assume it. That team would be 1 of the most hated in nba history. You’re right tho it should be extremely easy & pretty natural for like all basketball fans to root for that team tho. Watching those guys win would make a lot of yall extremely salty tho
It wouldn’t make me salty. I can’t think of a team winning that would make me salty.
It’s definitely moreso the players than the teams that grinds you guys’ gears
What players grind my gears?
I can’t think of any that irritate me even slightly,
The Lakers went from winning a trophy in a bubble to missing out on the Play-In, all within a span of 18 months. Kyrie going to that team full of past legends will mean a Guaranteed Lottery Pick.
Nets have KD blessing with their stance. Do not be confused about this. KD just wants to be a good cop in case Kyrie comes back. :)
In the spirit of APeterson & Le’Veon Bell’s upcoming fight, as well as Nick Young’s upcoming fight ofc & the great Mariners/Angels fight yesterday, who would win if these guys were to actually fight 12rds with gloves under the unified rules… Russ Westbrook vs Damian Lillard… Chris Paul vs Patrick Beverley… Rudy Gobert vs Draymond Green… Jimmy Butler vs Udonis Haslem…
You actually typed that out…
Nets hold all the leverage against Kyries. He can either Opt in only and/or agree to 1-2 yr extension. Nets will then trade him as his contract is tradable. KD is literally done with Kyrie who singlehandly ruined Nets title opportunity.
Nah they’re still the best of friends
He opted in. He staying
It’s not a stare down because BKN has nothing to left to lose. Myopic 2k’ers won’t ever get it, but maybe they’ll come a bit closer in the following weeks.
Tsai certainly has nothing left to lose. He has already paid well over 250 mm in luxury tax for a promised super team he must now (finally) realize won’t ever materialize. Tsai foolishly forced Marks to accommodate Harden at the deadline. He either believed the agent-spouted nonsense that a Simmons would just pick up for Harden, or figured he might as well give it one final gambler’s throw. Fittingly, Simmons doesn’t even play, at all. LOL.
What scares him now? KI signing with the LAL for the Tx MLE? Durant, following up, by asking for a trade? Simmons wanting ice cream before and after games? Big picture, regardless of any of it, it’s another reset now or the near future? The details don’t matter. Durant and eventually Simmons will bring back picks or they don’t get traded. Real simple. Like KI, neither has any leverage left.
When the dust settles, Tsai will do like the big Russian did. Recover his massive operating losses by selling the team.
Yeah my read on this from both KD’s end and BK’s is actually probably more tied into Simmons than it seems at first sight.
I don’t think either side believes in Simmons, and without a true 3rd star, and with an increasingly unreliable Kyrie, and little to no cap space, this team can’t realistically contend.
So Durant is making his willing to untether known and BK is refusing to capitulate to Kyrie’s demands
The Nets “don’t want to repeat last year”, but the mandate is lifted? Are they preparing for it to be reinstated any time soon?
Because otherwise it’s hard to see how Kyrie would miss the majority of this year.
I have no issue balking at giving him a max but the reasoning here seems a little muddy.
In their (Marks’) mind, the “problem” last year was having a star player with a part time commitment to the team. Well beyond the missed games.
His part time commitment was predicted on his refusal to get vaccinated, which ostensibly won’t be the case this year.
Frankly Simmons seems significantly more likely to repeat last year than Kyrie, which is what’s driving a lot of this behind the scenes I would bet.
just my $.02 though
Well this ended up being a bunch of nothing. Windbag wrong again.
Looking forward to kyrie drama engulfing the news cycle for the next 12 months. Zzzzzzz
How badly managed can be the BRK franchise?
I mean, seriously if they are willing to blow it all out just to make their own point (whatever it is, we will never know) they deserve to be real bad for very long… just pay the man, it’s the easiest thing to do… but also the right thing to do & the only path to greatness for them!
One must feel sorry for their fans if they blow the best chance they ever had to a championship for their own pettiness!
Lol, the only surprise about Kyrie opting in was that he didn’t wait to do it until the last minute tomorrow.