Collin Sexton has received a multiyear contract offer from the Cavaliers, but the two sides remain at an impasse that doesn’t appear likely to be resolved soon, Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com said on The Wine & Gold Talk Podcast.
Cleveland’s offer is close to $40MM over three seasons, according to Fedor. While Sexton is hoping for more — and reportedly sought “starting guard money” when free agency began — the process hasn’t gone his way. The potential suitors that Sexton’s representatives targeted “vanished quickly, especially during the NBA draft,” Fedor said.
The Spurs and Pacers are the only teams that currently have sufficient cap room to make Sexton the type of offer he wants without a sign-and-trade, and neither team has shown an inclination to pursue him. Fedor states that Sexton needs “something to happen around the NBA to change the status quo,” such as a trade involving Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving or Donovan Mitchell. Fedor suggests any of those deals could have a “domino effect” that would result in other teams increasing their interest in Sexton.
Sexton’s camp is content to see if the market changes, Fedor adds, but the Cavaliers “aren’t going to bid against themselves” as they wait to see how the situation plays out. The team would like to bring him back but isn’t willing to go into luxury tax territory. Cleveland is currently about $15MM below the projected tax line.
If Sexton doesn’t want to commit to a long-term deal that he believes is below his market value, he can accept the Cavs’ qualifying offer of $7,228,448 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer. He could have been eligible for an $8,559,357 QO, but he didn’t meet the starter criteria because a torn meniscus limited him to 11 games last season. Sexton has an October 1 deadline to decide on the qualifying offer, although he and the team can agree to push back that deadline, Fedor tweets.
Fedor also notes that the uncertainty surrounding Sexton affects the Cavaliers’ potential extension talks with Caris LeVert, who is entering the final season of his current contract. Locking up LeVert, who was acquired from the Pacers in a February trade, becomes less of a priority if Sexton is signed to a long-term deal.
Should probably just take that 3/40 offer of they make the third year a player option. Might screw up and end up with nothing like Dennis Schroeder
It sounds about right.
His real value
3-year $40 million
He is not worth 4-year $80 million
@Sillovan
It’s disgusting what the Cavs are doing. They seem unable to not avoid messing things up. The Cavs have done nothing this year other than bring back Rubio, who I like but shot 36% from 3pt last year and Lopez..
You can speak all you want about how they improved without Sexton. That doesn’t prove a thing. The reason they won double the games is likely because of Mobley and Markkanen and to an extent Rubio. It’s the defense that improved from last year moving from bottom 5 to 7th overall. Their offense is still that a bottom 5 team and SG is the most obvious position to go. We should at least see what a Garland/Sexton/Markkanen/Mobley/Allen looks like for half of a season. I’m shocked that Gilbert is using lux tax as a reason to not bring Sexton back. Not comparing a LBJ team with this team but he was always will to spend to put the team on the floor.
If you look at most of the guards signed as free agents this year there’s no way you can tell me Sexton isn’t worth more than 3/$40. That’s an insult.
I know modern day metrics don’t like him but these are counting stats. 47/38/82% with 24 points and 4 assists as a SG deserves more. In 2021 he along with Curry, Lillard, Kyrie, Lavine, Rozier, Beal, Rozier, Middleton and Brogodon were the ONLY guards that scored 20+ on 45%/37%/80%. And spare me, most of the guards are weak on defense. How Cleveland can be so arrogant to think they’ve done enough to advance past 42 wins by doing nothing but draft Agbali is crazy. Bringing back a veteran back up PG that shot 36% FG last year and is coming off of a serious knee/ leg injury who won’t be available until midseason and Robin Lopez is all they’ve done!!! How do we move from 25th out of 30th in offense and net more wins??? Sexton> Levert, Okorro.
@knickscavs
Sexton is not a pure pg
He is a stationary without a ball in his hands
His turnover is not fixable
Cavs are in tax land
He can only get real value, not market salary
@Sillivan
a) Who’s asking him to be a pure PG? He’s been three fulltime SG since Garland was drafted. He had his best year with Garland at the point.
b) Not sure what turnover issue you’re referring to. His TO for his career is 2.5. Garland is 3. That’s in line with the career averages of Curry (3), Irving (2.5) and Beal (2.4) and many other star guards.
c) Gilbert has money and never hesitated to go over for a contending team. Now none of these teams have an LBJ in it but still This is Cleveland. We don’t normally draft offensive players that score 20+ per game (LBJ and Kyrie are the only) and we sure as hersch don’t attract them as FA in their youth or prime.
Besides Osman can be moved and Levert and Love’s contracts come of the books end of the year.
Coming off bad injury not good.
How many guys who score 24 points a game make 13 million per season? Stop being silly.
How many of those games with Sexton scoring 24 points per and giving up 34 points to his opponent did Cleveland win????? How many games did Cleveland win with Collin Sexton out of the lineup altogether with his injury????? That’s right … they became a playoff team.
@Very
please…. tell me how many times his opponent burned him for 33. The team became a great defensive team because of Mobley and Allen not because of Sexton being absent. But guess what? The Cavs are now 25th in offense and the Cavs have done NOTHING to address that and Rubio, is not going to solve that shooting 36% from the field like last year. By the way Garland and Levert rank a DefRtg of 112. Sexton was a 118. Not exactly defensive stoppers.
Sexton’s first 3 years in Cleveland he was the only decent player on the team that was healthy. He’d have to have scored 74 points a game for them to have gone .500. That said last year the team was 8-3 with Sexton & 36-35 without him. If Sexton was the problem why did they have a better record last year with him than without him? Seems to me that late in the season they could have used a more efficient scorer like Sexton instead of LeVert who can’t shoot strait. He might have prevented some of the very close losses that dragged down their season at the end. The whole team improved when we had Allen & Mobley up front with Love becoming Healthy. In Sexton’s last full season we Did not have the horses to win. Last year we bring them in and the team improved. Until Sexton, Rubio, Markkanen, Allen, Garland , Mobley and more missed significant time. They actually missed the playoffs last year. They collapsed down the stretch without Sexton and Others. last I checked 8-3 is better than 36-35. Care to explain why the record was worse without him last year?
@cuffs I think the better question is how many guys in the league make 25+ million and should make 13…. contracts work both ways, something this board likes to forget when it’s convenient.
No way should he take that. A fully healthy Sexton is worth a lot more than that. There’s plenty of guys out there who make around what the Cavs offered who are not as good. For example, Davis Bertans got 5/$80 coming off of 15 ppg of three point shooting and nothing else.
The problem is health and market. He should take the QO, in my opinion, get healthy, and rebuild value. The market is not there right now.
100% correct
Ton of teams will actually have free cap next year as well. This year they didn’t (actively) as it was a dry free agency
Sounds like QO makes the most sense for everyone here as Cle isn’t ready to walk down the aisle today
Brogdon and Terry make 21 and 22 mill a yr. Both are better 2way players. There’s your market. Teams may not want Sexton or have cap space. But he is worth atleast Fournier Money (16-18 mill a yr). Cavs have made an offer 40 mill 3 yrs. Not a Sexton fan. But that’s low.
I sign the qualifying offer. And test FA next yr. Ball out and go get it. He’s still young.
Not sure he really has a clear place in Cleveland. Garland and okoro together starting and rubio (hurt currently but coming back) and levert on the bench have them deep already. Maybe they put levert and sexton together at some point and try and get a 2 way wing like grant or ananoby. But as it is I don’t think sexton really has a role unless they take okoro out who is elite on defense and growing quickly on offense
Okoro will come off the bench again this year. Lavert will start to see if he worth an extension!
That’s possible too, but okoro is a 30 min a night guy. Reminds me of raja bell only way more athletic and can drive to the rim a bit. 2nd half of the year he was lights out in the corner too. Think he has a legit chance to be if not an all star then an all defensive nba guy
Let me get this straight. You are saying a guy who scored 24.4 points per game with 4.4 assists per in his last full season that shoots 38% career from deep would not have a place on the Cavaliers? SMH. He would be the Starting 2 guard. Who does Cleveland have capable of that kind of offensive production to play in front of him? LeVert can’t shoot strait. Okoro can’t get his own shot and that is a lot to expect of a Rookie like Agbaji. Cleveland had the money but spent it on a max deal for Garland who is their only other player capable of 20 a game right now.Before getting Hurt Sexton was easily worth 20 Million a year. Cleveland will lose him for nothing if they are not careful.
Collin Sexton is a “get stats on bad teams” guy. He ain’t worth $20 million a year. I honestly am not sure if he is worth $10 million. He does absolutely nothing to make players around him better. He plays no defense. Did you notice how much better Cleveland was WITHOUT Collin Sexton???
@Very
No because that usually means a player shoots a lot but misses at a low 40s or 30s FG%. They rely on thr counting data vs the %’s. Guys like Westbrook rely on cumulative. Guys like Sexton shoot less but are highly efficient in their scoring.
In 20-21Westbrook scored 24 ppg on 22 shots a game. his line was .43/.31/.66%. Sexton averaged 24 ppg. His shooting was .47/.37/.82 on 18 shots per game. Less shots but more precise and efficient.
With Sexton Cleveland was 8- 3. Without him they were 36-35. If Cleveland was so much better without Sexton why didn’t the record Show it? Just the respect for Sexton’s 3 point shooting opened up the entire floor for the rest of the team. and that was during a shooting slump for Sexton.
I would start both Okoro and Levert. Sexton as the 6th man, as I’ve been saying for like 3 years
Okoro reminds me of Justise Winslow and Jimmy Butler
@formerly
Butler hasn’t shot about 30% from the 3 in the last 3 seasons. Cavs NEED another ball handler on the floor to take some pressure off of Garland, space the floor and be able to create their own shot. He’s literally a guy who you can say “get me some points” and he can do it. The only thing he has to prove is he can move without the ball more and still be a decoy if his number isn’t called on a play. But he’s the definition of a 3 tiered scorer. Rubio is great but he doesn’t satisfy the need for more offense (ranked bottom 5) and he doesn’t spread the floor (36% FG%). Levert (43/33/73) is more of a volume shooter and attacks the basket. That area well be clogged with Mobley and Allen). It is not his strength to use speed and other tactics to score like Sexton does when he bobs and weaves thru the trees to get his shot. Sexton can score from anywhere. Okorro showed improvement from his rookie season but still tops out at 35% from 3pt land. Agbaji might be a good candidate at summer lunt but we don’t know yet. I’d rather use Agbaji and Markkanen as big/small partners depending on opponents. I would move Osman and Windler and sign Sexton if possible to 3/60 or 4/$75.
@cba93 Okorro has never started ahead of Sexton at SG. Sexton is an absolute offensive threat.
@knicks okoro started last year when the team was at their best. What hurt them most was losing the playmaker off the bench. Sexton is a good scorer and very well could push them from 7 seed to 5 seed this year but they have a lot of small guards in the rotation already and okoro has earned 30 min a night. I believe levert is more of the off man out then sexton is. All I’m saying is sexton+ levert may yield them a better fit
Or maybe levert+ lauri or all 3. Or love.. but currently 4 guards that are too small to defend in the paint and 3 PF and a center. If they could pull in a combo forward it may be a better rotation
Mavs seem like a good S&T partner with Wood and McGee they could offer Cavs some frontcourt depth.
The Cavaliers do not need front court depth. They have four 7 footers who can play and Kevin Love backing up Mobley at PF. what the Cavaliers need is a quality Small Forward. I’m not sure the Spurs have one.
I dont see anyone trading a useful 2 way wing for Sexton…that is the spot they need though, as you said. Most of their options there are more useful at the 4/smallball 4, besides Levert, who is a 3/2, but his shooting has been inconsistent, which is something they need around their defenders. That being said, I do think they can potentially get away with using their options there, if certain guys make shots the way they’re capable of more consistently, and either way, Kevin Love significantly helps their spacing off the bench
Sexton can score in bunches. His last full season he scored 24.4 per game. But coming off the injury no one wants to take a risk on him. Sexton is a gifted scorer but he can’t yet play much defense. His passing is good for a 2 guard but everyone want’s him to be a Point Guard because he is short.
@formerly
I think we’re fine at the small fwd position. People seem disappointed with Markkanen but at 15 ppg on 45/36/87 shooting was pretty good. And his DefRtg was around 110 which was a career low for him. He’s not needed in the paint defensively. He did a great job moving without the ball and cutting to the basket for easy shots at the rim. Much more athletic than I suspected.
SF: Markkanen/Okorro/Agbaji/Stevens
Okorro and Agbaji can we depth options at the SG position too.
Move on from Osman and Windler.
PF depth: Mobley/Love/ Wade/Markkanen
At this point, it’s probably take the 5 year/$68-72 million offer or take the qualifying offer. I could be wrong, but I dont think anything is going to just magically change
Mavs need third team to acquire Sexton
Cavs have only $13 million tax room
Bullock is a better defender and 3-point shooter than Sexton. (not available for Sexton)
Bullock is only making $10 million a year.
Bullock score 8.6 points per game and never topped 13 in 9 years. By the way he and Sexton both shoot 38% career on 3 point shots. Thing is Sexton scored 24.4 per game in his last full season. You can’t seriously think a 31 year old like Bullock is an upgrade on a 23 year old Sexton. Bullock is a back up.Sexton will get starter minutes even off the bench.It is a ridiculous comparison.
I’m not sure why the Spurs wouldn’t put together an offer sheet. They have nobody at PG and Sexton can play all while they rebuild around their young core
They have several guards, actually, and Sexton isnt a PG
Who plays PG on the Spurs other than Tre Jones? Sexton is 6’1″ 190lbs. He’s played both PG and SG in his career
Sexton is a Shooting Guard. He does not play the Point.
@cuff
To be honest, he was a PG in college and was the starting pg up until Garland was drafted.
@cuff
To be honest, he was a PG in college and was the starting pg up until Garland was drafted. But yeah.. he’s probably a better SG who can back up if needed.
He was the Defacto Point Guard his rookie season. problem was his passing skills were not good enough to thrive in that role. Which is why they drafted Garland the next year. To be fair Sexton’s First 2 years he had no one to pass to so he usually kept the ball. But When Garland took over the point his 2nd year Sexton thrived in the 2 guard role.
San Antonio wants to lose for one more year (Wembaya), and playing Sexton at pg pretty much guarantees you’re gonna lose.
Just like the Cavs tanking to get LeBron. You can’t tell the team to lose, but you can start Bimbo Coles, DuJuan Wagner, and Ricky Davis together.
The rest is history.
Sexton, Love, Okoro, 2 future #1 picks (2023, 2026) to Lakers …..
LeBron James to Cavs …….
Bron has two shots at a ring ….
Can someone compare Sexton and Donovan Mitchell? Honest question. I don’t watch him much. Several stats are very similar as is their size.
Just some differentiating stats:
Mitchell Career: 345 Games 18.9 PER 29 WS
Sexton career: 218 Games 15 PER 5.4 WS
Mitchell is substantially better, though probably a bit overhyped. At 15 PER Sexton is league average, decent rotation piece.
Try using stats like shooting percentage. Not saying Sexton is better than Mitchell but their shooting stats are highly similar. Both also defend like doormats. There is a reason the Jazz are dumping Mitchell. Mitchell played on a better team which might explain his better Win Shares and PER.
Yeah but not their game. Get serious lol
Collin has great game. With no team around him when LB left he tried to hold it down by himself. Then we got restructuring going. When Garland was hurt it was no go to guy. Thats what we missed!! Slasher,scorer,defense, put body on the line and was all in!! We could have a backcourt duo!! Hiw can you guard both at once. Give him the bread or it will be another professional Cleveland player to leave and get a ring near you!!
For the love of all things holy …….. do not break-up Sex-Land.
Definitely a tough situation. I still view Sexton as a starter and as a point guard. I think 15mil is about fair value for him.
However looking at the market you have to take into account the possibility of trades like KD, Kyrie and Donovan Mitchell, that’ll affect your market. Not to mention you’ve also got Dennis Schroder a similar style player still sitting there in FA who will accept less and Kemba Walker who will likely get brought out who is another cheaper alternative.
Taking the money might be the best option unfortunately. Atleast you know you’ll have a big bench role to play and if LeVert gets hurt then you’ll get an opportunity to start.
But if he feels disrespected or undervalued and wants to leave then there are some other opportunities but you’ll have to sacrifice money or minutes.
I like the idea of him going to Detroit and being the third guard behind Cunningham and Ivey.
They might have the cap space to get him outright or could use a sign and trade with Alec Burks. Sexton can provide the impact off the bench for what looks to be a very promising team.
I think Washington would be a great landing spot. He would have a good chance of out performing Morris and Wright and become the starter next to Bradley Beal. However I haven’t seen any links between him and the Wizards and the fact they have Morris and Wright probably means they aren’t interested.
Lastly, Another team I think could be a great option but is Phoenix. Use Landry Shamets deal via sign and trade. Have Colin Sexton behind CP3 and Booker, great impact player off the bench. Long term wise he could actually learn alot from Chris Paul and eventually get that starting point guard position after he retires. He’s fit the timeline of Booker, Bridges, Johnson and Ayton perfectly.