After engaging in trade talks with the Knicks about Donovan Mitchell last week, the Jazz aren’t in any rush to make a deal before further gauging his value around the NBA, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski said on Monday during an appearance on Get Up (video link).
“I think for the Jazz, they go out now around the league and see what else is out there for Donovan Mitchell, get a sense of what the market is, what teams are willing to do,” Wojnarowski said. “And I do think the Knicks and the Jazz will reengage at some point. Maybe it’s this week, maybe it’s next week, maybe it’s in two or three weeks. But the Jazz are not going to necessarily move quickly.”
As Wojnarowski observes, Utah’s Rudy Gobert trade discussions played out over multiple weeks – or even months – before the Jazz received an offer they couldn’t refuse from Minnesota. Although the Knicks are motivated to land Mitchell, according to Woj, they also don’t want to “just give up everything” to land him.
“Utah and New York talked last week, and I think the Jazz got a sense of what New York might be willing to do,” Wojnarowski said. “It’s not just one particular deal — I think there’s options. It’s almost like a sliding scale. The more players you put in a deal, the less draft picks you want to give up. The more draft assets you put in a deal, you want to put less players in. If you’re the Jazz, ‘I want the players and I want the picks,’ so that’s where it starts.”
Here’s more on Mitchell:
- Wojnarowski said during his Get Up appearance that the Jazz are significantly more interested in the Knicks’ own first-round picks than the ones New York can offer from other teams. “People talk about (the Knicks being able to trade) seven or eight (first-round) picks. A lot of those picks are conditional, protected picks that are coming from places like Detroit and Washington,” Wojnarowski said. “The Jazz certainly don’t value those the way they do New York’s unprotected picks.”
- During early discussions between the Jazz and Knicks, Utah asked about a package that would’ve included RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, other players, and at least three first-round picks, reports Ian Begley of SNY.tv. Robinson has since come off the table after officially re-signing with New York, but it’s a moot point — the Knicks felt Utah’s asking price was too high and wouldn’t have met it anyway, Begley writes, adding that he believes the Knicks have the draft capital necessary to get a Mitchell deal done without including Barrett.
- Some members of the Knicks’ organization still felt the Jazz’s asking price was too high during the more recent talks between two teams, Begley writes. Those Knicks executives felt as if they had made competitive offers and wanted to leave it at that, rather than continuing to sweeten the pot for Utah.
T-Wolves messed up player values even beyond max contracts with their trade for A player …never go into trade talks overly giddy lol
Knicks fans are gonna push for a overpay because the rebuilding process is always ongoing. Mitchell though just ain’t the guy to overpay for.
Most Knicks fans I see do not want to overpay.
Only one Knicks fans fear is Dolan.
Outsiders just don’t get that. Don’t fall for Jazz bluff.
I don’t think Danny Ainge is bluffing.
Based on his history of trades, he isn’t.
Yes…most Knick fans (and management) would prefer to underpay. If they want Don badly enough then pay for him…otherwise why continue wasting time? The Jazz may never get another player like Donovan again. Most Jazz fans would love (and prefer) that he remain in Utah. Besides being a fabulous player, he is a genuine good young man…a huge value to the community as well as the team.
Mitchell is history. He’s not staying for a rebuild. He’ll be gone sooner than later.
Perhaps…Knicks…or somebody else with a better deal. “mitchell is history” in your dreams.
You don’t know me lol. I could care less if he comes. If you know BALL. You know he’s not staying on this team. It’s obvious Jazz are going to rebuild and concentrate on next yrs deep draft. You probably don’t know that.
Imo Mitchell wants NY. Danny wants a big payday. So they will play chicken for awhile. Frankly it’s getting boring for me. I’d rather just wait till Jan 15. When more players will become available. I don’t dream I follow the bouncing ball.
Way to let us know that you know nothing! Knicks fans going to push what? Stay in your lane homie you have no clue what you talking about.
Nah I just know fans are salivating at having Mitchell because no real star will sign with them. But thanks for the knowledge bud.
Says the CRAZIES …….
I’m not your homey ….. this ain’t a fan talking. It’s common sense. But you’d have to know ball sense to know it. You got left out
If a front office thinks trading their star player is their best move because they are betting your building plan is not good enough with their star that they want to short you and value your 1st round picks more than any other potential suitor, you may want to rethink your building plan. Just saying.
Jazz have no other option now. DM is gone. He’s not staying in Utah. That much is clear to me. Yes Utah can wait and see. There could be other scenarios that develop. Especially with KD and Kyrie as a third team. It’s wise to milk this. My Knicks also should wait them out. Other players can become available too. Like Wiggins. Probably cheaper and fits a need at the 3.
Don’t want o give up RJ or Toppin. Please
Yes….please wait.
Like we’ve been doing , is that it.
Yeah just enjoy the Noise. I’ll wait for the main course ….
The Knicks have had trouble getting the “main course” (i.e. free agents) to come to New York…for some reason…so carry on…and wait. Recent draft picks look good! so far.
Dude you need a history lesson. Or you inept. This board and me explaining this. Has been done many times. Why is it nons always go to espn takes. Get a real thought.
Knicks have been rebuilding for TWO YEARS. Nothing else matters. Why do you even care what they do. Cause we sure don’t care what you think …….
One thing to give up two of their own picks, one of the conditionals plus IQ or Grimes but agreed with you. Wait it out. Can’t just overpay because the T’wolves did. The true market value isn’t what someone gave up for Gobert, it’s what teams are offering right now for Mitchell. Good for the Knicks to tell them to shop it around the league and come back once they realize they aren’t getting all that for Mitchell.
You realize Don has said nothing to support your guesses, right? The Jazz have said they’re in constant communication with him. They told the media there’s no intent to trade him. The media then run with that in every misinterpreted way possible. Lol
Bottom line, the Jazz are doing what Woj says, getting a sense of his current value. They could end of deciding to keep him. He’s never demanded a trade. If they retool around him then that’s not a rebuild. If they trade him then only then is it a rebuild. Don’t get ahead of yourself. =)
Sorry Woj, but the only “people” equating the protected picks the NYK acquired with their own are your cohorts in the media. The unprotected picks of a perennial lottery team are some of the most valuable assets in the sport, and, believe it or not, UTH isn’t the only team that knows this.
I don’t think DM is a superstar in any sense, and am concerned about depleting our asset base for him. But I’d consider giving up all 8 firsts, if the four NYK picks were top 4 protected (fill or kill).
If Donavan doesn’t go to the Knicks, he is more likely to get traded to the Heat. The most picks Miami can offer the Jazz are 3#1 draft picks. If the Knicks we’re offering 4#1 draft picks then Fournier, DRose, and Grimes should be enough then. The Knicks could offer 3#1’s and include Reddish or Quickley also. Trader Danny needs his head examined after ripping off the T-Wolves. Starting to hope Mitchell gets traded elsewhere now. Smh
I think “Trader Danny” is perfectly happy to keep DM and build the team around him…much like he did with Paul Pierce years ago with the Celtics. Face it Knicks fans…to pry DM away from Utah is going to take a big offer….much like the Timberwolves did for Rudy…jmo.
I agree Donald. Danny is confident he can make DM happy with future moves. He won’t trade DM unless he thinks it’s the best move for the team.
That said I think DM is overrated and not worth 6 1sts…I’d offer 3-4 1sts and be okay with not getting him
6 protected firsts is likely what they were asking for. If they’re unprotected then that number would go down. And no they don’t want any old guys. That doesn’t fit a rebuild if they trade Donovan.
The fact that random nonKnicks fans come in here and say what Knicks fans think is bananas. I don’t know a single Knicks fan who WANTS DM let alone wants to pay a kings ransom for a ball dominant guard who refuses to play defense.
no kidding! How dare anybody outside of NYC have an opinion…especially a bunch of hayseeds from Utah. :)
No Knick fans want DM (except Steven A?). I’m good with that.
Utah has no need to rush trading him since he is under contract for a few more years. So unless a team is willing to over pay for him he probably doesn’t get moved this year. he goes into next season as their #1 option so he can either improve his value or decrease his value. Which is saying can he handle being double teamed on most games?
You realize he’s been what you’re describing for his entire career, right? The only difference on offense now is Rudy won’t be there to set great screens and roll to the basket. That’s why they’ve been looking at big men in Summer League.
Bruno Caboclo and Kofi Cockburn look promising. Walker Kessler is probably the better defensive prospect most similar to Gobert. All 3 are really big guys. In other words, if they decide to keep Donovan Mitchell then I don’t see his #1 role and how people defend him changing all that much. It’ll just be a different offense and defense because of the new coach.
Why would he stay in Utah now. They are rebuilding. Next yr is a deep draft. It’s only going to get uglier. Personally I’d rather have Wiggins. He’s cheaper and fills a Big need at SF. Plus I’m sure he’d love to play with RJ.
Fournier, Rose, Toppin, Grimes, McBride, (4) 2023 1sts (2) 2025 1sts for Mitchell and Bojan.
Better depth balance by moving Rose in the deal:
Mitchell – Hart
Randle – Bojan
RJ – Cam
Mitchell – Wes Matthews type of Vet Min.
Brunson – Quickley
lmao no way. Six firsts and practically every young player aside from RJ and Mitch? Hell no.
I think it is a great idea. The alternative is keeping the firsts and then having a few yahoos like us making fun of them for not seeing into the future and drafting Player X who went 3 spots after their pick. Draft picks come and draft picks go, but All NBA types like Donovan Mitchell do not come around that often.
Why would they move Bojan and then just bring back other old guys in Fournier and Rose? They have said they don’t even want RJ because they’ll have to extend him next year. That means they’re on an even younger timeline then Donovan is currently. All they want in players is young prospects. The draft picks would increase the fewer young players the Knicks include.
I shudder to think how old you must be if you are referring to 29 year old Evan Fournier as an “old guy.”
Beside, Utah HAS to take back some salary or the deal is not legal. You only get that kind of salary with “old guys.”
The Knucks did such a poor job in this year’s draft trading lottery picks for protected future picks. I wish Hoops Rumors would do a post on that alone I still can’t believe or understand what they did, the only explanation is those deals were done to benefit Leon Rose somehow because they certainly did not benefit the Knucks.
Are you still insisting that the Knicks traded multiple lottery picks? You are wrong. They did not. They traded #11. That’s it. And #11 is a fringe lottery pick.
The other pick they traded was part of a larger deal and if they’d tried to keep it, the deals would have fallen apart. They conveyed that pick. It was not theirs to keep. It is clear that you ‘can’t understand what they did’. Multiple posters have explained it to you and you aren’t getting it.
11 and 13 plus a protected pick to Detroit
Wrong. The #13 pick was *not* theirs to keep. It was conveyed through them to Detroit. If the Knicks had said ‘we want to keep the #13 pick’, the whole deal falls through. You keep bashing the Knicks draft on all of these articles because you do not understand what occurred.
This is in simple terms:
Knicks traded:
-Kemba Walker’s $9 million expiring deal
-Four 2nd rounders (three in 2023 and one in 2024)
-2022 #11 overall pick
Knicks received:
-Bucks 2025 1st (top-4 protected)
-Wizards 2023 1st (top 14-protected)
-Pistons 2023 1st (top-18 protected)
They did not trade two lottery picks because they never had two lottery picks. #13 was Charlotte’s, conveyed through NY to Detroit.
That’s called doing your homework …..
Some of you should try it. Just a few clicks
KnickHeat, #11 was traded to OKC for three future protected first round picks. They did that to have more draft picks to give the Jazz, etc. It looks better to the public, not in reality. Ainge, for example, knows their true value.
Woj is saying they wasted their time, because “the Jazz are significantly more interested in the Knicks’ own first-round picks than the ones New York can offer from other teams.” I would be, too. Protected picks can turn into second round picks if that team is perennially bad enough to stay protected.
The Detroit deal was a separate trade involving players.
You guys should watch the The Monty Show on YouTube. He has connections with the Jazz that tell him what’s really going on and not all this fake news the national media run with.
I think the Jazz, Detroit, and Brooklyn should do a 3 team trade where Utah recieves Sadiq Bey, Kelly Olynik, Cam Thomas, Marcus Bagley, and multiple first round picks while Brooklyn recieves Mitchell and Detroit gets Kevin Durant.
Grimes has looked good in SL. And I mean he looks LEAN . He looks more like a baller. That pudgy look is gone. Obi1 went thru that last yr. Grimes has a good future ahead. He could become a starter he gets his handle tight. I know there are a few teams checking him out.
I like McBride. Wish Tibs would play him. I’d rather move Quickley and keep “Deuce” .
Kelly Olynik? He and Patrick Beverly can brake arms together. NO THANKS.
You should really get to know next yrs draft. Maybe then you will understand why Rudy is gone. And why Mitchell has to go now. I don’t blame Danny for trying to get all he can.
Don’t mean he will.
These aren’t the same Knicks. This ain’t the same old FO. Cause if it was. Dolan would have gave away everything already for Mitchell.
A backcourt of Brunson & Mitchell won’t move the needle much for the KNICKS.
Continue with the slow-rebuild. Better use all those picks for someone else. Mitchell isn’t the guy.
Nobody can beat what the Knicks can offer, or even come close, so they really don’t have to overpay. They should sit back and wait for Ainge to take one of their offers. Now that they’re in full rebuild mode, it makes sense to trade Mitchell. Holding onto him would only delay the inevitable, and worsen their lottery position.
Totally agree…the Knicks SHOULD sit back and wait.
Folks we need to chk out next yrs draft. It’s considered deep class. Plus with some elite players in top 5.
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A top 3 pick next yr. Is potentially a generational pick. A top 3 pick is changing a teams future outlook.