The Knicks are pursuing a trade for Donovan Mitchell, but they’re balking at Utah’s current asking price, Tony Jones of The Athletic said in an interview with ESPN 700 in Salt Lake City (hat tip to Real GM).
According to Jones, the Jazz want Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin in the deal, along with six future first-round picks. Jones said New York “backed away” from that proposal.
The Knicks have been stockpiling assets in hopes of landing a major star and currently own 11 first-round selections over the next seven years. They can part with up to eight of those first-rounders in a trade, notes Steve Popper of Newsday, but he wonders how many the organization would be willing to surrender, especially if it’s also giving up young talent.
Andy Larsen of The Salt Lake Tribune confirms that the Jazz are seeking a large return of draft assets from New York, along with players on rookie contracts, and he identifies Grimes as “perhaps the lead target” among players who could be included in the deal. Larsen adds that the Knicks don’t want to give away that much of their future, but they made a “significant” counter to Utah’s offer.
Multiple sources tell Larsen that RJ Barrett, the third pick in the 2019 draft, wasn’t part of the trade talks. Barrett is eligible for an extension to his rookie contract this offseason, and Utah isn’t eager to take on that expense.
The Jazz would have to take back at least one sizeable contract from New York to match Mitchell’s $30.35MM salary for next season. That probably won’t be Julius Randle ($23.76MM in 2022/23), according to one of Larsen’s sources, who says that Evan Fournier ($18MM) or Derrick Rose ($14.52MM) is more likely to be included.
6 first round picks? Now that is crazy to ask for 6 first round picks.
Ainge will ask for everything he can… but i can’t see NYK giving 6 1sts. Maybe 3 and 2 swaps or something close to that.
NY probably won’t include those three players, they should keep at least one of the three of them.
Once you get to 3 draft picks that is about the max you can ask for unless a team is so desperate to win. Mitchel is not worth 6 draft picks.
El Paso on 6 picks. Being the Knicks they will probably do it. They are a Championship team when it comes it over paying, over appraising their talent, spending too much on above average players and thinking they can win. Burying themselves with these contracts and players always sets them back. Their fans are still planning on a Statue for Tibadope after the first year. Hmmm
They got 11 picks n they don’t play their young talent thibs is a horrible coach who don’t play young players if they wasn’t already playing if they really want a star they will do it but I want Donovan to go to heat idc for Knicks they will never win a championship unless they draft a generational talent
Thibs is a GREAT coach that doesn’t play young talent. Different coaches have different styles and he is clearly more comfortable with veterans. Sort of like Phil Jackson. Thibs just doesn’t need to be on a rebuilding team.
Derek Rose? Chicago. Boozier? Noah? Butler?
Calling Thibs great when he hasn’t won anything is a bit of a stretch.
I don’t love Thibs, but this thing that he doesn’t play the kids is wrong. IQ, RJ, Mitch, Sims, Grimes, even Obi all played important minutes the last year or two, and the Knicks player development has been great in his two years here. For all his warts, he’s had a more positive impact on our youth than any coach in over two decades.
Thibs is a good coach but what unsaid is false toppin avg 11 mins a game last year and hw ks a top ten pick in his second yr quickly jad a promosong rookie year and played less minutes his second year grimes did not get into the roation untill half way thru the year so he only played 45 games these r all facts thibs doesnt play young guys and thats his right he trusts veterans but where did u come up wit ur opinion its absurd
Knicks first round picks are valuable
Knicks are not Bucks
Reasonable trade
Grime, Rose, Toppins, salary filler and Knicks firsts and 3 other Firsts for Mitchell
Well they basically got 5 for Gobert ( If you count Kessler). Mitchell is worth way more than Gobert IMO. Minnesota way over paid and now the price has gone up for everyone else.
Knicks 2 top 5 protected first plus
– 2023 protected 1st rounder via Detroit
– 2023 protected 1st rounder via Washington
– 2023 protected 1st rounder via Denver
No it’s not. The Gobert trade set the market
Donovan’s good… But not 6 picks and 3 players….
If the Knicks GM was still Isiah Thomas he would do that crazy trade…
No
Well, doesn’t hurt to ask. Mitchell is a very gifted offensive playmaker who is getting better as a passer, and has a knack for late game scoring. A great offensive player. But he plays no defense, is very small, and has a history of not getting along with his teammates. And the Knicks have a slightly worse version in Brunson already. If I’m NYK, I look elsewhere unless I’m getting a bargain. The proposed players are fine, but there’s no g’dam way I’m throwing in 6 (or even 4) first rounders.
You’re right, it doesn’t hurt to ask, but you’re also right that New York would be crazy to give up so many first-rounders. My eyes popped out when I saw that number. Danny Ainge must think everyone is as foolish as Minnesota was in giving up 4 #1’s for Rudy Gobert. If I were the Knicks, I’d move on from this.
Or Brooklyn…Philadelphia.
Danny has a track record of getting what he wants.
Danny Ainge has a history of trying to massively win every trade and the other GM’s had figured that out for the most part. It’s one of the reasons he couldn’t make a lot of trades in his final few years in Boston.
He doesn’t think everyone is a foolish as Minnesota but just that someone will be. He’s started with a likely party in the Knicks
Mitchell doesn’t have a history of not getting along with teammates. He has a media driven history of not clashing with one teammate.
The problem wasn’t Mitchell. Gobert started asking for the ball more and complaining about Donovan’s defense in a passive aggressive way. They finally had a direct conversation about it but Coach Snyder was worn out by then. Add another round of COVID with injuries and the team imploded. Don was always positive despite this.
Its all on Gobert this year. He has 0 excuses and needs to perform up to his contract. He is surrounded by 2 of the west best players. T-wolves should be a top 4 team in the west. Gobert’s legacy will be determined this year. T-wolves were very good last year and better improve or Gobert failed.
Surrounded by 2 of the west’s best players? The only top player on the Wolves besides Gobert is Towns. ANT has a little ways to go yet and Russell’s nowhere close.
Ant is a former 1st round pick who has had solid numbers and only getting better. T-wolves starting 5 is one of the best in the west. I am just saying there is no more excuses he doesn’t have the weapons to win.
The Rudy trade set the precedent. This is a fair ask
Well the Knicks were offering 4. they can meet in the middle at 5 and cut 1 of the the 3 above names out and replace him with Reddish!
Knicks are a little desperate and they have been banking firsts for a reason. Maybe not the best player to go after but he is an all-star.
I actually agree, Reddish out and keep one of the three, 4 1st and 1 swap.
Reasonable strategy. Ask for the moon and see how desperate they are. That sets the market. But sorry, Mitchell doesn’t propel them to being a top 2 or 3 team even in just the East let alone overall in the NBA. He’s not that guy. Just because the Timbs may have overpaid doesn’t mean the Knicks, or any other team, needs to follow suit. But this is the art of negotiating. It’s like watching a volleyball match as the offers get sent back and forth.
Neither will 6 weak picks. Almost all the Knicks future picks are lottery protected from other clubs and with Mitchell, Mitchell and Brunson their own picks won’t be lottery picks anymore.
So many teams have cuts to make there will be some young talent to fill in gaps on the roster.
They can have some of those protections removed or weakened if they can work out deals with the involved teams
No Mitchell doesn’t propel them into being a top 3 seed. He does however get them closer. As of right now the Knicks are projected to have about $27 million in cap space for next off season. If they make the Mitchell trade then trade Randle into someone’s cap space they would have enough to chase a top free agent then resign Barrett. Unfortunately for the Knicks next year’s free agency class is currently headlined by a very old and tired LeBron James and possibly Andrew Wiggins.
Agreed and just as important it keeps Barrett (our best prospect by far) on the roster. Maybe Barrett develops into a stud, or maybe he’s used as a centerpiece of a trade down the line.
6 picks is too steep (also what kind of protections are we talking? Any swaps?) but ratchet it down a notch and I think there’s a sensible deal here.
If any are the 5 the Knicks have acquired are in this deal, they’re protected. And if the Knicks move their own – and they’re unprotected, they still won’t hit the lottery if the team does what they’re supposed to do.
I’d give them 6 picks, Grimes, IQ and Toppin, but they have to take Fournier and his contract.
Bench will be thin, but would still have Rose, McBride, the two centers, and some fillers.
The Jazz might get 3 lst rounders, Fournier or Rose, and a choice of Quickley, Grimes, or Reddish. And if they do get that offer they should consider themselves lucky. The Heat can only offer 2 lst rounders, Herro, and another young body. Smh
It doesn’t matter what the Heat offer. The Jazz just don’t have to trade him.
@captain
You’re assuming those are the only options.
@KnicksFanCavsFan- not saying these are the only options. I know that Mitchell’s preference is NY or Miami. As always it’s always the team that offers the most. Now hearing the Heat can offer 3 #’1 draft picks along with Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson. So the Knicks might have to offer 3# 1 draft picks, Fournier or Rose, Grimes, Quickley, and Reddish now. We’ll see.
When I first heard the Bucks trade for Jrue Holiday a few years ago I thought it was an overpay but with the Gobert trade and now this, maybe not so much. Still worried about those late picks if Giannis gets hurt or leaves but that is the price of doing business.
LMAO
I mean they just got 5 1st and a swap for Rudy (counting Kessler as a 1st of course). I can see them wanting more for a younger Mitchell on a better contract for the same 4 years remaining. Quickley, Grimes, & Toppin would be worth more than Pat Bev, Beasley, & Vanderbilt but some of the value of those guys from NY is diminished when you throw in a negative value guy like Fournier to match salaries. So I can see why Utah has that high of an asking prices. You can always come down from that price, but rarely can increase the price.
Mitchell for Grimes, Fournier, Reddish, 5 1st round picks and call it a day. Fair on both sides.
I do it
Not good enough for the Jazz since the Fournier contract makes it more like 4 firsts. And if those firsts have protections, they aren’t going to be overly appealing.
Knicks would need to add another young player or at least another pick in that scenario.
I say no to this
This trade is going down. It’s been building for over a year. Just a matter of when and what terms. Those players are expendable. 6 firsts is steep, but have any of the Knicks last 6 first round picks amounted to anything near Mitchell. Even combined? Mitchell can score from anywhere on the floor. He can drop 50 in a playoff game. With him, RJ Randall Robinson Brunson all in tact … they become one of the most talented teams in the nba. None of their own picks will even be top 20. Do not let this rare opportunity to acquire a young star slip away. I can already see Donovan throwing out first pitch at Citi field. We were acquiring picks for this exact reason. Plus, we aren’t talking top 3-5 picks here either. I can already see myself in a Knicks #45 jersey. Please don’t break my heart
I agree that the Knicks have been draftin horrible since forever and that this trade, with less 1st and maybe different players involved, will get done. But if you think that adding Donovan makes the Knicks “one of the most talented teams in the nba” you are overrating them by a lot.
This team with Mitchell would be an 8 seed possibly.
Brunson, Mitchell, RJ, Randall and Robinson is as talented a starting 5 as any in the league. Mitchell led the Jazz to the NBA’s best record with less talent .
They’re still behind; BOS, MIL, PHI, MIA, TOR, CLE & maybe BRKL (if they don’t trade KD). They’re fighting with ATL and CHI for 7 to 9 or 8 to 10 seeds.
Atlanta was better then Cleveland last year and will probably remain so
So was CHI, won all but 1 of the games with CLE
And that wouldn’t even factor in how ill-fitting that roster would be. Less than the sum of its parts in all likelihood.
Classic case of overly optimistic fandom. Can’t really blame them with our bad the franchise has generally been in recent years.
Well, if undeserving players can ask for and get a max contract, then as a GM, why not ask for an outrageous number of picks in a trade. I don’t see 6 picks being worth one player, not to mention the other players Ainge wanted included.
Thibs loves the jerk Derrick rose, so it would no doubt be fournier included. I think they’ve given up on Toppin so he’s likely included. And if grime’s is main target then I say it ends up being Fournier, Toppin, Grimes. 3 first rounders, 1 swap, and one 2nd
If the Knicks are willing to part with that package, they should at least call the Nets about Durant. I know, there’s no way Durant ends up with the Knicks, but I’d at least try to get them to bite before I offer the same for Mitchell.
I don’t think the Nets would trade KD to the Knicks since they share the same city, unless the Knicks offer was just a huge overpay. They might not care about it, but I have doubts Joseph Tsai and Sean Marks would want to see the Knicks succeed because they traded KD to them.
I keep looking at the Nets and Knicks rosters and thinking how nice a unit with Quickley, Mitchell, Simmons, Obi and AD would look.
Then I think about how much Thibs would prefer a unit with Brunson, RJ, Durant, Randle and Mitch.
Utah wants to tank and the Lakers need to mix things up and have nothing to trade except AD.
That’s actually a pretty good point … this rumored deal seems leagues better than what’s been offered for KD. I mean I get that Marks wants players not picks but if it doesn’t look like they’re getting players back then …
I’d prefer KD to DM, even factoring in the age disparity. The history of asset depleting trades is the same whether the player is young or old. The depleted team is going to peak within 2 years of the trade. You don’t “build” around players obtained in these types of trades. In that sense, KD’s age might actually be an advantage. There will be no illusions that it’s the start of something that’s a WIP. The FO won’t feel obligated to sign an ill advised extension after the current contract to justify the original trade.
Pick one or the other really
6 1st round picks
young players like Grimes Quickley Toppin and some 1sts.
Knicks would be stupid to give up that.
Knicks might as pivot and check in on KD at that price.
Fournier/Rose as salary filler Grimes Toppin and first round picks for KD.
Don’t want any part of KD
Will an upcoming draft just be OKC and Utah picking 1st rounders? Honestly, 6 isnt happening but just feel like Knicks are so desparate for a star – even if Mitchell Brunson is a strange fit – that they end up giving up a lot and finalizing a trade that isnt as far away from this offer as we may think.
The thing some of you aren’t taking into account, is Don is very upbeat and cheers on his teammates in a big way. He completely changed the culture to excitement even after the Jazz lost Hayward. He’s just a big time presence that’s so rare in the NBA. He’s about as big as it gets and would do wonders for Knicks PR for years to come.
I don’t think that asking price is too high. He’ll completely change the Knicks’ culture in a positive way. They’ll more than recuperate that value back and then some.
Exactly. People forget how great the jazz have been. Why? Mostly because of Mitchell. Especially in the playoffs. This year he wasn’t healthy. But last year especially with Connelly out, he Carrie’s the team with some of the greatest single game scoring performances in history. This dude is lethal. Like I said, can literally create his own shot and score from anywhere on any possession. Combine that with Brunson, RJ, Randall and a Mitchell and we have a really intriguing young core for years to come
He was that good because he had Gobert behind him and therefore could play no defense and get away with it.
Yeah the Knicks have stock piled crappy late 1st that may not ever convey having to count on the Wizards and Kings to make the playoffs. The Mavs and Bucks 1st will be late picks as well. If that’s 4 of the 6 then I’d do this deal easy.
This same Knicks team traded a 1st for Cam fking Reddish 5 months ago. Then traded pick 11 for basically 3 future non lottery picks. They don’t even takes picks serious.
@QB1 – Agree
I don’t see the price the issue, the number 6 is more illusionary than anything. It will keep the casuals happy and media off Ainge’s back. Looks to be a simple scorch the Earth project for Danny; tho I give credit for the Rudy package already banked
Now the player/fit for Knicks……IDK…but agree if your NYK and you like the fit the compensation shouldn’t be the hurdle, in fact you probably have to feel blessed the opportunity even exists today
Inflation is real
Utah essentially isnt trading him, as I had previously said, but they would if you give them something crazy. Here, obviously, Fournier would have to be in the deal to match salaries, but it’s clear that theres essentially 3 or 4 extra picks in there/an extra young player or 2, b/c of him being in there
The knicks shouldnt even be exploring this anyway, but obviously Utah isnt trading him. If the Knicks were to trade for him, which doesn’t make sense, and would be short sighted, the only deal I could see making even a little sense would be Fournier, Toppin, Grimes, Reddish and 2-3 1sts, and maybe a swap, and at least 1 of those picks is extra b/c of Fournier, who actually fits Utahs roster, might play well for them, and potentially could get moved again next year
I think a lot of this is just more media noise. I feel like theres very little reason for the Knicks to pursue at this point, and the Heat makes no sense for him with what is on their roster, and even Beverley only makes some sense for them if they were to move Lowry. The cleveland rumor makes even less sense for both teams actually. They added defenders around Mitchell and Bogdanovic, so I think they need shooting on the wing; not necessarily 3 and D guys, but shooting in general, as well as replacing what they lost in Paschall as a small ball 5 that can also space the floor
Teams that make the most sense for me, although I still think Utah isnt trading him right now, and is way more likely to trade Conley and Clarkson, are Charlotte, Dallas, SA, Washington, and maybe Orlando, although Orlando doesn’t really have a great offer they can make
Rozier, Jalen McDaniels, Bouknight, JT Thor, 2023 1st, 2025 1st, 2023 Utah 2nd for Donovan Mitchell
Tim Hardaway Jr, Maxi Kleber, Josh Green, 2024 1st, 2026 1st, 2028 1st, 2025 2nd for Donovan Mitchell (you could add another 2nd to that, or Bullock and Clarkson to the deal b/c I do feel it’s slightly lacking from Dallas side, although Green does give them a 3 and d wing they need, Kleber is expiring, and Hardaway can replace Clarkson or he or Beasley can potentially be flipped)
Josh Primo, Malaki Branham, Josh Richardson, Zach Collins, 2023 Charlotte 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 2nd for Donovan Mitchell
Monte Morris, Will Barton, Deni Avdija, Rui Hachimura, 2025 1st, 2027 1st, 2023 Boston 2nd, 2026 2nd for Donovan Mitchell, and Nickeil Alexander-Walker (This would have to wait until Morris and Barton can be moved next month, and maybe you add another 2nd to offset NAW)
Chuma Okeke, Jalen Suggs, Gary Harris, Moritz Wagner, 2023 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 Denver 1st, 2026 Milwaukee 2nd for Donovan Mitchell
Of these, the Charlotte or Spurs offers seem the best…I dont really see many other fits anywhere else, at least at this point. Maybe if certain teams hadnt recently done other things, but otherwise, I think these are the main teams that would/should be interested, although again, I dont see him being moved right now, and it’s clear from this exorbitant asking price from a team that shouldnt even be involved at this point, that they dont intend to do so
I want Al’s take
I wouldn’t give 6 picks but the players are negligible
The Jazz were looking to move Gobert and build around Mitchell. The T-Wolves gave up way too much for Gobert, and with that deal, the Jazz are in good shape to start that build over the next 2-3 years. There is no real need to deal Mitchell, so why not hold out for a Herculean offer.
Of course, what we don’t know is whether Mitchell has asked to be dealt, but has agreed to keep the demand quiet.
Give up the picks.
The picks are trash.
Sac protected
Wiz protected
Bucks protected
Mavs protected
And 2 Knicks unprotected.
That peanuts.
Without deal the Knicks will win 38 tops with the deal they win 46.
Agreed in the sense people read “picks” and assume they’re all made equally. Getting Mitchell in the door – he’d become the best Knick since Melo at least (and I could argue Mitchell is better than Melo) – is worth more than adding 6 more Quickleys to the roster over the next half decade (no offense to IQ)
The idiotic overpay by the Timberwolves for Gobert has made trading a star player near impossible in the near term. Things will re-calibrate after the Timberwolves end up with 7th seed in the upcoming season.
Yup what an idiotic overpay. A bunch of late picks and bench warmers. If the Jazz are lucky they might get 3 rotational players out of the whole lot. That for a guy that instantly gives a top ten defense.
The players the Jazz got are solid rotation pieces. They aren’t end of bench driftwood.
You do it if you can get them down to 4. Grimes, Toppin, Quickley and 4 firsts plus Rose or Fournier…sure.
If they stick at 6, just tell them no. Mitchell, Randle and Barrett would be a fun watch. But they aren’t guaranteeing winning and it’s why you try to hold a couple more picks.
As long as the NYK’s own 1st round picks are limited to two, and both are protected at least top 4, it wouldn’t be completely out of line if they were acquiring a superstar player. I don’t think DM is that, and, apparently, UTH doesn’t either. Nobody trades a true superstar at 25 years old, whether they’re rebuilding or not. NYK would have to think more of DM than his own team does.
Yeah. I think some of these crazy deals can look a lot better if the Knicks can do things like keeping the 2023 picks and some light protections on all or most of the traded picks.
If Utah also facilitates a little roster adjustment/cleanup by bringing in a 3rd and 4th team and taking a bad contract or two some overpayment isn’t a problem.
Protect the ping pong balls. I’d rather (if I had to chose) have our FO and their flip a coin to determine whether this player or that player is in or out of the deal. Equally reckless, but the stakes are lower.
I don’t think most people realize that all these picks are crappy except for the Knicks own. These are lottery protected picks. You hope to get a player like Grimes or Quickley when you pick 20. You’re more likely to get someone that barely breaks the rotation.
With that said 6 picks and 3 good prospects is too much, but I don’t think these two teams are THAT far off from what they could settle on.
Grimes and Quick we’re 25th while Sims and Mitch we’re second rounders. The Knicks are consistently drafting good players everywhere so while these aren’t lottery picks they are still very valuable to us because we can be confident each pick is going to be a really good player if we keep them.
The Timberwolves also have a legit 3 man core so their unprotected picks are pretty safely put of thd lottery. If a Mitchell trade takes key talent we end up with better but mismatched talent without a 3man core to keep us in the playoffs for the long term.
Ainge has to help the Knicks build out their roster in this trade if he wants to max his return.
It’s a heavy price but realistically the Knicks don’t have any super valuable assets if they’re not including their own unprotected/lightly protected firsts or RJ Barrett. All of those first rounders from other teams are either unlikely to convey for a while or are lottery protected meaning they’re not that valuable. Quickley, Grimes, and Toppin might all be solid role players, but none look like a star or a centerpiece player in a deal. RJ Barrett might have some decent value but the Knicks aren’t interested in moving him (plus his actual trade value is up in the air considering Utah would basically have one season to determine if he’s worth upwards of $20+ million salary).
Sure that might be the best offer Utah gets right now, but they also don’t need to move Mitchell if teams are lowballing. Granted Ainge seems to operate as if he has to clearly win every trade so he’s probably going to alienate a couple of teams with his asking price, but Mitchell is still under contract for 3 more years plus a player option. If there isn’t an offer out there that the Jazz like, I don’t see them moving Mitchell.
Hell he got 5 from the timberwolves what’s one more!
That Rudy gobert trade broke the trade market. Blame the Timberwolves for everything that’s going on.
The jazz are drunk.
The Jazz are going to have to find another offer for the Knicks to beat if they want to get anywhere near that price.
That’s too high to accept and unless there is another buyer willing to pay a price that Utah is willing to accept the Knicks should just say no.
Ainge wants to trade Mitchell and he wants the best price he can get. I have no issue outbidding everyone else and paying more than full price. Ainge will come back to the Knicks before he accepts any offer so there is no risk to making him prove we aren’t bidding against ourselves.
I think he wants Grimes because he thinks he can be Marcus Smart with a better outside shot. Marcus smart for minimum wage isn’t a throw in with 6 first round picks.
Do it. But make them take Fournier. Those picks are all stretches that will wind up in the late teens or 20’s. Starting 5 with Rose as the 6th man is pretty good. Would still have McBride, Simms, etc.
I would make them take Randle and keep Toppin. I think that lineup would mesh better and be more fun to watch. Too many alpha scorers and everyone will be bitching before we get through 20 games.
Unfortunately it takes two to tango. There’s no making the Jazz take anybody like Randle without driving up the asking price.
I know. I just really don’t like watching Randle play basketball anymore.
If you’re adding Randle (assuming along with Fournier) then NY would probably have to give up even more draft assets OR take back like a Conley/Beasley
I’d agree, however for $7M more per I’d rather keep Randle over Fournier. The Jazz are going to want the kids anyway as they rebuild. I say do it and roll the dice.
Good. This is what happens when a major-market franchise spends multiple years trying to poach away player from a small-market. Rose and WWW idiots to do it so blatantly. Showing up at playoff games seated right behind the bench or courtier together? Stupid as hell. Obviously that pissed Utah off and I would be too if I were them. Now they’ll have to pay a higher price than other teams because of their passive-aggressive tactics and they deserve it. Utah has every right to gouge the ever-living you-know-what out of them.
I love Mitchell and think you can build a championship team around him, but not with brunson as his running mate.
So this is where Thibs and his reputation as a strong defensive coach comes in. If he can’t do it, he’ll be looking for a job once the season is over.
The Jazz are not desperate to trade Gobert or Mitchell. So, they have no motivation to accept less than their worth. Certainly, the Jazz will not trade Mitchell for less than what they got for Gobert – which was 4 players and 4 unprotected draft picks. The Jazz initially asked for 10 assets from New York for Mitchell – 4 players and 6 picks. NY rejected that. But there is really not a lot of room left for negotiation. They could maybe do a 3 player 5 pick package or a 4 player 4 pick package. But they will not trade below Mitchell’s value.
Donovan Mitchell Robinson amirite
Nope. He can stay in Utah at those prices. He’s good but he’s not Michael Jordan. Ainge should ask for the son, moon and the stars but doesn’t mean you have to give it to him. Give him a fair offer. If no, move on.
That price is fair considering the Rudy trade haul
Foolishness shouldn’t be the standard to go by.
Three picks are enough. And they have to take Randle. Randle can go to third team. So more young players and pick for Utah.
Don’t want give up Toppin neither.
RJ and Toppin should be off limits…..
Randle, Grimes, Quickley, Mitch plus ….
Three #1 picks. Otherwise keep him.
There will be another player available by TD. Or Mitchell can force his way home. Like all other stars do today.
Starting to bore me now……. snooze alarm
There is Zero, as in Not One, that is worth that asking price. MJ in his Prime, Kobi in his Prime are Not worth what they are asking for him. Mortgaging the franchises Future and destroying basketball is N O T the way to go !!
Board seems a bit high on how they value these picks and probably 1st Rd picks overall
3 of them are meh for sure
And a team that good shouldn’t be scared of unprotecting 23′ and 25′
So what….. they leave a 27′ up in the air? Small potatoes
Idk how I feel about this trade overall, and not close enough to the Knicks to care tbh….but if they are keeping RJ this is NOWHERE near the crazy ask this board has made it out to be . Don’t let the big number (6) fool ya
Not sure if Id ultimately pull the trigger, if I’m being more honest I’m just not 100% sure who Donovan is without Rudy covering a lot of his blind spots …thad be my hesitation today NOT that compensation headlined
I agree that the number of 1st’s in the deal shouldn’t be the top concern. But I wouldn’t trade any NYK 1st’s unprotected. At a minimum, it would have to be protected for the ping pong ball picks (top 4).
It is because I’m scared? Yes. But fear isn’t the main reason. I really think a NYK 1st that is top 4 protected is a MUCH better asset than the unprotected 1st of any perennial playoff team (who appear to be our only competition). History backs me, and so will Vegas.
Agree the picks would still be better but unprotecting adds value to the deal especially if you think you can cover it in the back end by becoming a top 8 seed for years to come {I think they can}-
Maybe it get’s Fourn off instead of Rose
I agree they should negotiate and haggle but it wouldn’t be completely hands off for me to lift all protections if that’s what it took. Since George Davis and Holiday most of these protections are getting lifted over the last couple years for stars (*if DM qualifies)
Connolly and the Timberpuppies can and will easily top that !!
Those 6 picks are lottery protected. 3 of those are worth 1 lottery pick, in today’s market.
That means the Knicks are really saying they want to pay less than 3 role players and 2 lottery picks for Donovan Mitchell. That’s ridiculously low.
Just keep him and wait for a team that isn’t trying to bully a small market team. They’ve been doing it for a long time now. I wouldn’t even bother waiting for them to be reasonable. The Knicks seem to like pain and being a depressing team. Why reward them with a player who they clearly won’t appreciate anyway.
Time to move on, Jazz…
It was reported that, in addition to three young players and six first round picks, Ainge also initially asked for the MSG building; however, he backed away when he realized that a “Mecca” just wouldn’t work in SLC.
Think about what they’re really offering. No amount of bully tactics will sway Ainge at this point. Move along…
Refusing the 1st offer isn’t bully tactics. It’s called negotiating.
I’m talking about showing up to playoff games with your front office and current star player on a clear recruiting/tampering mission. I’m also talking about the constant Mitchell rumors that never existed until mostly this year. There’s clearly been a coordinated effort with the Knicks front office at the very least. Could’ve come from Don’s agency as well, but just was very overboard. It’s especially overboard if the Knicks strike out again.
Personally, I’d rather take the Heat package then a bunch of crappy picks they’ll just have to package anyway to get a decent player.
Danny Ainge found a willing victim in Minnie. He won’t fleece NYK. Not many teams with the same draft capital are ready to deal at this point in their respective rebuild.
I’d wait until the deadline see what the Knicks have with their new core and let Utah simmer in their tank for a while
Their offer looks more lucrative than it really is. Minnesota has a good team already. Add Gobert and they don’t think their draft picks will be very good either. That’s why they included so many.
The difference is that they’re willing to take that risk. I can’t remember the last time the Knicks made any such bold move.
Carmelo Anthony …. 2010-11