The Knicks and Jazz have been back in touch about Donovan Mitchell within the past week, according to Shams Charania and Tony Jones of The Athletic, who report that the two teams have had a “fresh trade conversation” about what a deal sending Mitchell to New York might look like.
As Charania and Jones explain, the Knicks and Jazz had serious discussions during the Las Vegas Summer League in mid-July about a Mitchell trade, but those talks reached an impasse and had been dormant for a few weeks.
Although the Knicks have made their interest in Mitchell “abundantly clear” throughout the summer, there’s still no serious traction toward a deal, per The Athletic’s duo. Sources tell Charania and Jones that the Hornets and Wizards remain among the teams in pursuit of Mitchell. Charania reported in late July that those two Southeast teams had recently engaged with New York.
Previous reports have indicated that the Jazz are seeking a return for Mitchell that’s similar to – or greater than – the haul they received from Minnesota in exchange for Rudy Gobert. Although the Knicks have a surplus of first-round picks from previous trades, it’s unclear whether they – or any other suitors – are prepared to meet Utah’s asking price.
According to Charania and Jones, the Jazz have conveyed that they’re comfortable keeping the All-Star guard on the roster this season, since he still has three years remaining on his contract (plus a fourth-year player option). For his part, Mitchell hasn’t made any sort of trade demand and is believed to be fine with with either staying in Utah or being dealt elsewhere, sources tell The Athletic.
We’re still six weeks away from the start of training camps and nine weeks away from opening night, so the Jazz have plenty of time to consider their options before the 2022/23 season tips off.
Yawn
Get this s**t done already
I hope the Hornets or Wizards trade for Mitchell.
If im Ainge i will love to have multiple 1st from the Hornets, they are a horrible run franchise.
However, a backcourt of Ball and Mitchell would be one of the best in the league, I highly doubt those picks would be that great.
That backcourt makes them a PO team. Especially if Nets are losing KD
Not much defense in that backcourt.
Neither really guards anyone.
Ball isnt great I agree but he’s not the worst, and his height is a huge advantage. Developing his D shouldn’t be that difficult with how athletic and big he is for a PG. he’s also only about to go into his 3rd year. I see his D developing to a good level. But I agree Spida can’t defend but long term Q is can Melo improve his enough to make up for it. Or are there good defenders available to make up for it.
Either way there won’t be many better back courts in the league.
Ball and Mitchell one of the best backcourts in the league???? They will have to combine to score 70+ points every night to offset the 65+ points they will give up defensively every single night.
That’s a bit of a stretch. But okay I’ll rephrase for you as you seem to think they’re the worst defenders in the league. “Best offensive back court in the league”. I agree poor defensive guards usually need a good one along side them(Steph/Klay Booker/CP3 etc) it’s also a fair reason why they paired Trae with Murray. But I still see Ball becoming a good defender, he just needs the coaching to do so. He’s still only 21 a lot of the 22 class aren’t much younger.
The yr is 2050. Which of these UofL greats will have had the greatest playing career, Donovan Mitchell, Wes Unseld or DaJuan Wagner Jr?…
Franz Wagner
I don’t get it. He wasn’t 1 of the choices & didn’t go to Louisville. Did you see DJ’s last name & just reflexively named another Wagner u know? Help me understand
Think he’s clowning bro.
Yea lol ok. Which is why I said I don’t get it. Like in what way us that supposed to be clever or funny? The Sam Mitchell 1 was at least funny in an absurdist way. Franz Wagner tho?
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Or some, yet to play or even be born, player since 2050 is 28 years away? Hypothetically, let’s call him DaJonowes Wagseld.
That’s an easy choice. 2006-07 NBA coach of the year, Sam Mitchell.
Can he please just be traded already….. All the KD, Kyrie, Westbrook, Mitchell drama is giving me migraines
lol what drama?
Ainge is going to learn he hit the jackpot and got an overpay for Gobert and that he isn’t going to get the payday he wants for Mitchell.
He’ll still get a good haul for Mitchell don’t get me wrong but he won’t get the high price he’s asking for
I think Ainge has already gotten his masters in trading so the learning is done
My bet is he gets the best deal he can and makes it, then makes about 2~3 more trades before opening tip
What do you think he’ll get for Mitchell? Do you think he will he get more than he got for Gobert?
I think he will get a deal he’s comfortable with and he will wait until he does- I bet he wishes there was 2 or 3 teams gunnin for DM rn (there’s apparently not)
Could easily wait till next trade deadline when a couple more teams have healthier appetites and a lot more salaries become tradeable
I don’t buy the lottery balls for Wembanyama angle. Time is on Utah’s side today and that’s more valuable than a couple extra {chance} lottery balls
Yeah except that is what people said about the Nets trade and he got Philly to pay him to draft Tatum at #3.
Then people said nobody would make a deal with Trader Danny again bc he fleeced the Sixers and he got the Golbert deal…
GMs never learn. Well I hope the Celtics learn and never trade with him. Danny usually wins the trades.
It’s not that he wins the trades. He just seems to know what to do with what he gets. I think the difference is his vision vs other GM’s. It’s been an eyeopener how average the Jazz really have been in that department vs what’s possible.
That being said, it’s very hard to predict what he’ll do. I could see Ainge wanting the Jazz to do a number of different scenarios. I could even see them doing nothing more before training camp. The tell will be 60 days after the Gobert trade when some of those players can be traded again.
It’s about time someone mentioned this. That’s exactly right. They will wait for the 60 day period to expire. Teams will be a lot more ripe to do deals.
A couple of project players in Balermo and Kessler, two draft picks in the 20-30 range, a 2026 swap that they probably won’t use because the Wolves will still be very good, a possible lottery pick 7 years from now and a couple of decent players as salary filler is hardly an overpay for the best defensive player of his era.
As far as Mitchell? Danny is content to keep Mitchell, Mitchell’s content to stay so Danny gets what he wants or the Knicks don’t get Mitchell. Simple as that.
Agree strongly with both paragraphs/points Taco
You tell em Taco Cat. Wolves will look like the run away winner of the trade before game 20 is up.
Gobert was a huge part of the Jazz identity. The hole he left behind is bigger than the one he will fill for Minny.
Centers break. You say probably and possible but who knows. If they have 4 first every year and get the best pick outta twolve/knick them I’d take it.
“Regurgitating News Media”
we all know he’s going to be a Knick. Quickley , Grimes, make Randle a part of it. Gotta Go >>>>>> with 3 picks. More than enough. A third team can take Randle. And Jazz can get more picks
I would do take it or leave it offer of Rose, Grimes, Quickley, Reddish and 3#1 draft picks. If they agree then trade Randle and Fournier to the Lakers for Westbrook and a #1 draft pick. Then I would release Westbrook, then he’ll go sign with Nets, so they could trade Kyrie to the Lakers and make KD happy. The Knicks, Nets, Jazz and Lakers should do a 4 team trade.
Uhhh I’m leaving that if I’m Danny (I’m not)
Let’s stop overrating this kid, please. All of a sudden Donovan is Michael Jordan or LeBron? He’s not. Let’s stop pretending he is. That offer is fair. Who’ll give up more then that? Lmk.
Let’s stop pretending that Grimes, Quickley, Rose, or any combination thereof are equivalent to Donovan Mitchell. Let’s not pretend that 3 heavily protected firsts are equivalent to lottery picks they’ll most likely convert to 2nds. Ainge knows he’s not going to get fair value for Mitchell. That’s not how these trades work.
You take the picks and filler then bottom out and hope the ping pong balls turn the Jazz pick into Victor Wembanyama or Scoot Henderson then use those heavily protected picks to sweeten deals to move up in latter drafts or trade for a star.
No one said they should be heavily protected. Knicks with DM are not a lottery team. Although I would protect top 4. Knicks picks would all be 18-22. Other picks from other teams could be better. Grimes and Quickley are solid #1 picks. And Grimes could surprise a lot of people.
Again, are you OK?
Let Mitchell stay in Utah. He really isn’t a need for the Knicks. He’s just an undersized 2, that plays zero defense. I can’t tell you how badly I want him to go to the Hornets or Wizards. This is Carmelo Anthony all over for the Knicks. Smh
It should be interesting to see how he plays on defense now that Gobert isn’t back there to cover up his mistakes. He’s short but there’s a reason his nickname is Spida, he’s got the reach.
Mitchell has worked every off-season to get better, when he came into the league he would just put his head down a drive. He still does that but he’s added a step back 3 and became a decent playmaker. Not much left to work on as far as offense, maybe now he works on Defense.
@Tacocat1331- so is the offer above fair for Spida? If not, he’s staying with the Jazz or being traded to the Wizards or the Hornets? I’m okay with all of that. Who’s making a better offer? Lmk.
Agreed 100%
Mello that’s going too far. Got better character. And under Thibs he will play D. DM is a good guy and great teammate bro. Definitely worth it imo.
Agreed. Definitely a better teammate than Melo. Your Knicks just need to build where they’re at and not overpay for a player that isn’t a superstar. You guys are just horrible at drafting. You guys should’ve drafted Mitchell when you had the chance lol
I’m sorry I just don’t see Mitchell or Brunson playing any D. As a Knicks fan I hope I’m wrong though. Coaching the Knicks I’m not seeing Thibbs surviving to long, and he’s an excellent coach.
“Excellent coach” is a reach. He gives young players a short lease and doesn’t let them develop thru mistakes, he thinks good coaching is yelling the most expletives at players and relying solely on defense with no offensive schemes, and he plays his starters 40 minutes a night in meaningless regular season games leading to injuries…
Thibs grew up a Knicks fan. His dad is a life long Knicks fan. He knows where he’s at and what’s at stake. Just give him the time and he will do well. Third year has just begun. Relax
Best thing about all this. Is Dolan has Not stepped in. That’s Freakin great news for us lol.
The Knicks supposedly would rather deal Toppin instead of Grimes. I definitely wouldn’t. Grimes can start with Rose in Utah. Toppin is definitely needed by the Knicks, especially if they trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook. Toppin then can replace Randle as the 4 in the Knick starting 5.
I mean… The headlines to the articles are pretty obvious. You could always opt to just not red the rticles…
I could care less about the headlines above, truthfully. I know what’s been discussed between the Jazz and the Knicks. The Jazz will take the best offer available, or just keep Mitchell.
Rose has to find a way to make Randle part of this trade. I want Toppin to start. Some team out there has to value Randle still.
The Lakers and Pelicans do. One has not gotten a full season out of his first three years replacement and the other has played roughly only one and a half years. His back up has been way more healthy and productive.
Production is what matters most with the kinda of money the two unmentioned ones make.
A ring for one of them does not make up for salary lost due to injury.
Yes, and that team is the Lakers. I agree with you, we have to keep Toppin to play the 4. My thinking is trading Randle and Fournier to the Lakers for Russell Westbrook and a lst rounder. And then use that pick in a Mitchell trade.
I think this is because I said the Jazz were going to go the other way and trade for KD and Leon said not on my watch. Sorry Knick fans, this one’s on me.
I’m skeptical of the supposed sources that have told the Athletic that Mitchell “hasn’t requested a trade” and would be “fine” playing for UTH. He obviously hasn’t publicly demanded a trade, and I’m sure that, like most of the World, he’s prepared to honor the contract he signed. That doesn’t mean he hasn’t indicated to the FO that he might not want to be there longer term. A star, at his age, would normally go through the rebuild at least the start of it. Yet, they have openly discussed trading him with several teams. Maybe they don’t consider him a true star.
If a scorer is a star to you, then he’s a star. He a horrible defender, and last time I checked Brunson is also. I don’t see how both can play in Thibbs system. I can definitely see Brunson and Mitchell being one of the best offensive back courts in the league, but the worst defensively. Maybe the Knicks should just stand pat with what they have.
If the Jazz end up keeping Donovan then they’ll be much better than what these “experts” are predicting. Sometimes it seems like these writers say trash on purpose to get people to talk about their articles. Nothing new because it works. Lol
On the other hand, if the Jazz trade Donovan, then they’ll need to act quickly to trade the other vets. Otherwise, they’ll need to get creative on “injuries”. Lol
Keep in mind, the Jazz as an organization has never liked to lose. It shows in their historical record in the league. I just hope they suspend that belief for at least a season or two if they do trade Donovan.
If they don’t then might as well win as many games as you can and build your team with capspace. The Jazz seem to be much better at recruiting free agents lately.
Remember, Bojan was a free agent signing. Same with Whiteside, Gay, Fonntecchio, Juzang, etc. Some of the bigger market snobs will refuse this fact but that’s irrelevant.
Utah is the #1 fastest growing market right now. There are many reasons for this. Try to get past your prejudice and I’ll try to do my part in thinking higher of those same people. Lol
Knicks should pass on this deal. Let’s see what we have first and make Utah sweat or come down on demands
Some Knicks fans still think the Jazz need to trade Donovan. Haven’t you been paying attention? Donovan, despite your wishful thinking, actually likes living and playing in Utah. Heaven forbid, right? Seriously, get over yourself. Lol
The Jazz have said from the beginning of the Summer that there’s no intent to trade Donovan. These “talks” are really just the Knicks getting anxious. Donovan is looking really great in these scrimmages in Miami, etc. Don’t fool yourself or think you’re fooling the Jazz fans. IMO, it’s the Knicks fans who are sweating.
Regardless, I’m sure Donovan would be happy in either scenario, as long as that team wins. The Knicks need to prove they can do that before being more attractive to him.
Miami actually offers a better team than either. Yet, we don’t hear rumors of possible trade talks still going on. Makes me think Donovan just wants a team of his own.
The Jazz can offer that better at this point. Ainge has shown superior skill at getting what he wants for the team. I think that has impressed Donovan.
The Knicks signed Brunson to a big contract. However, they haven’t found suitors for their trouble contracts. The Jazz don’t want anything to do with Randall. I would think the Knicks would be wise to trade Randall first then offer a big package for Donovan. Show him, not the Jazz, that you really want him. Right now all they’ve done is showed Donovan they’re too cheap and lack vision. Their drafting history is another bad sign.
The Knicks are the ones that need to make a big impression if they really want a big name star any time soon. Donovan is only getting better. The Jazz will enjoy his improved play while the Knicks enjoy their lack of boldness and a string more of draftees they won’t even resign.
So what good are all those draft picks? You’re not impressing Donovan and you’re not getting any better hanging onto them in the long-term. Best to use them now while you can. Otherwise, stop wasting yours and the Jazz’s time. The Jazz want Donovan to play for them unless you blow them away and impress Donovan in the process.
They didn’t trade Rudy. So DM can make them the 8th pick in the draft. The whole point of blowing it up. Is to be in on top Three pick next yr. So getting picks for Mitchell only improves their chances on draft talent next yr.
A very talented lottery.
Personally I would rather wait till Jan 15. And trade for other players. Also gives us time to get Randles value up. For a trade. All signs point to Donovan Mitchell being traded sooner rather than later. It’s just that Knicks have the most to offer. And what Danny wants most…….#1 Draft Picks