The Celtics still have at least two major pieces of business to deal with in the coming days, according to Jared Weiss of The Athletic, who hears that team and league sources anticipate resolution on Grant Williams‘ restricted free agency before Jaylen Brown‘s contract extension.
The Hawks, Hornets, Mavericks, Knicks, and Wizards all remain contenders for Williams, says Weiss, noting that either a sign-and-trade deal or a mid-level offer has been considered the likeliest outcome for the RFA forward.
Multiple league sources tell Weiss they believe the Celtics would consider matching any offer worth up to the full non-taxpayer mid-level, but the team may not have the appetite to go much higher than that. If a rival suitor wants Williams badly enough, negotiating a sign-and-trade would ensure there would be no risk of Boston matching an offer sheet, but the Celtics have been seeking a first-round pick in sign-and-trade talks, Weiss reports.
Here’s more on the Celtics:
- Weiss reiterates a point made by ESPN’s Brian Windhorst, writing that even though Brown is eligible for a super-max contract extension, there are details to negotiate, including whether or not the deal will include incentives and whether it will feature a player option. While negotiations are expected to “pick up steam” soon, the sense is that once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they’ll build around Brown’s extension, Weiss explains.
- Kristaps Porzingis, who will earn $36MM in 2023/24, is expected to earn approximately $28.8MM in ’24/25 and $31.2MM in ’25/26 on his new two-year, $60MM extension. As Weiss writes, that pay drop will help the Celtics manage their tax situation and potentially avoid the second tax apron in future seasons, depending on what happens with Brown and Williams.
- While one weekend report indicated the Celtics aren’t trying to move Malcolm Brogdon, Weiss doesn’t believe the possibility of a Brogdon deal has been entirely ruled out. If Boston were to deal Brogdon or Williams (via sign-and-trade), the team would likely prioritize acquiring a ball-handler who could complement Derrick White in the backcourt, Weiss says.
Salaries
Brown 5-year $270 mm (potential massive contract,)
Lillard 4-year $196 mm
my huge fragile trade idea
Blazers get Brown and Brogdon
Celtics get Lillard and Scoot
Reasons
Brown played his way into a potential massive contract ($270 mm), and there’s an ongoing debate about whether he’s worthy of it or not.
Lolol you’re not getting Scoot too. God and ppl say Laker fans are delusional.
Is Sillivan a C’s fan? Not a logical trade for Blazers anyway but Blazers would have to throw someone else into that trade offer with Lillard
Celtics add 2 future Firsts
Still not happening.
I’m not sure if God says “Lakers fans are delusional.” People maybe say it, but not sure about God.
But yeah there’s 0% chance the Blazers trade Scoot.
Top 3 most ridiculous thing ever said
Sillivan is AI.
So he may not be worth that contract, yet he would still be worth Lillard AND Scoot. Uh huh.
As someone who lives in Boston, Celtics would unbiasedly have to trade literally like Brown White Grant S&T, Pritchard and maybe 2 firsts for that much control of Scoot on such cheap money in addition to Dame
Eh maybe add in that second 1st from the Smart deal
Lillard won’t play in Boston. He thinks the city is racist.
Lie.
This might be the most delusional comment I’ve seen on here. You can’t actually be a real person making this comment. Dudes gotta have some things missing up top
Man he’d be a good fit imo on the Knicks I just don’t see how both teams make it work with both being so close to the aprons – 3 team trade with Fourn being taken into a cap (only Sas ) really…then they’d have to double pay, unlikely and obscurely rare
Dont see how Bos takes any money back tbh, their best bet is like SAS paying um and taking him under cap but then SAS can just outbid Bos outright most likely-
Maybe Dallas just lucks out and comes away the Full Mle over 3~4 years on him – Be a pretty savvy offseason for Dal if so
Hornets just take PJ/Atl too little wiggle as well Imo on the ledger, perhaps Dal does prevail
I agree he’s be a solid fit for the Knicks.
3 and D forward, either SF or PF. Plays both ends and shoots the ball. Works hard and all that. They kinda need a back up 4 with Obi gone however I don’t think they have the cap space so it would have to be a sign and trade.
In which case you need to lose Fouriner and goodluck finding a suitor in a salary dump or finding something the Celtics want….
As you said maybe SAS.. Fouriner being a vet on a young team, being French and linking with Vic. Maybe the C’s happily take Doug McDermott in that scenario.
Hornets have to many forward don’t need Grant, Mavs don’t have anyone that interest the C’s as they won’t give up Hardy or Green. ATL have a bunch of similar ish forwards Hunter Bey Johnson Griffin and it’s hard to predict what the wizards are doing or why they’d have interest.
I still think Minny would be a great spot for him.
They have said they are looking to add young talent on a similar timeline as ANT and build around him. Grant would fit perfectly with McDaniels too, both guys can just switch either forward spot. Grant’s a decent shooter, he’s got the right attitude, only thing he really lacks is rebounding and if you have a guy like Gobert there then your rim protection and rebounding should be fine.
Celtics could ask for Kyle Anderson back, he’s a similar player, can play either forward spot, 3 and D but he’s a lot more experienced and offers more in the way of playmaking. He had issues with Gobert last season so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a switch for him.
I think it would set them up perfectly for trading KAT aswell. You’ve already got Gobert as your starter and Reid as your back up.
KAT for Trae (plus or minus picks and players)
Anderson for Grant Williams (via sign and trade)
Trae ANT McDaniels Grant Gobert
Conley Milton/Nowell Brown Jr Miller Reid
McLaughlin NAW Moore Minnott Garza
Wish the Celtics would finish up their roster business! But I’m sure Grant & Jaylen & Brad wish that more than me! Anyway soon us fans will get to see the Celtics Summer League & whether JD Davison grew a few inches as someone said. And I’d still like to know why Yam Madar and Juhann Begarin aren’t playing. Do the Celtics still have connections to them or not?
Yes they always have their rights unless they trade them!
If I were Brad Stevens, I’d put a dribbling-turnovers clause on Jaylen Brown’s extension.
If you were Brad Stevens you’d do all sorts of silly things I am sure
Not as silly or as far-fetched, much like Zion having weight-clauses on his contract.
Not even remotely the same.
You might not have heard about performance incentives/clauses in contracts then …….. look them up, it happens in the NBA.
not for something like this they don’t
Just because it doesn’t happen doesn’t mean it shouldn’t. Brown is an absolutely atrocious ball handler, with the ability to dribble like a low level college player.
Good luck giving that dude a full max. Boston gonna be screwed for years. How many years of failure you guys gonna accept from Brown and Tatum before realizing that Brown just isn’t that good
I didn’t realize Kurtis Blow had multiple accounts on here…
“Boston gonna be screwed for years”
Ok.
acell10.., Oh yes they certainly do. Look up Tim hardaway’s contract with the Miami heat. Had incentives for turnovers and assist ratio. Crossover to me was sort of Reckless with the ball before he got to miami. Riles put the clamps on that and turned them into a true point guard rather van 5-11 Gunslinger from anywhere.
so your best example is a contract that used assist to turnover ratio (not turnovers like the OP said) in a contract from almost 30 years ago?
That’s my only example LOL
I appreciate the honestly hahaha
^ @acell10 ……. does it matter if it’s 20 or 30 yrs ago? Does it matter much that it was assist/turnover ratio rather than strictly turnovers alone?
Wouldn’t the point of controlling that ratio be in the same vein/correlated as controlling turnovers alone ……. this is simple math bro – it correlates, it serves the same purpose.
Like I said, it’s not silly and well within the realm of the possible – any metric, can realistically be added as a clause/incentive in any contract.
the short answer is yes it does matter if it’s from 30 years ago.
^ I rest my case bro. You don’t seem to understand well.
It might be, might not, but it’s within the realm of the possible ……. may not be as far-fetched, since so many metrics have already been included in players contracts as performance clause/incentives ……. PTS, REB, GP, GW, REB, FT, FG% (2/3FT), etc not to mention the usual awards e.g. MVP, All-NBA teams, etc.
Heck, long before Zion got his weight-claused extension, Glen “Big Baby” Davis had a weight clause in his …….. Chalmers, something similar as well.
Having other metrics might not sound silly, right?
EDIT: Thanks for the info @Gary ….. it’s almost impossible not to have all of these metrics pop-up at players contracts at some point in the NBA’s long history.
Yes Mike, right, that’s why it’s great we have such a huge varied fan base here on this site. We can all add a little bit of inside info. I’ve been a Warriors fan since the ’80s so sort of kept up with crossover Timmy headlines after he left golden state.
If I remember correctly, it’s been 25 years, I think what was required was a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio. And if you look at Hardaway’s numbers with the Heat he certainly performed up to the requirement. Crazy when money is involved, but Riley knew what he wanted I guess, lol.
That was an incentive clause. . link to sun-sentinel.com
Incentive clauses are used all the time.
That doesn’t make it any less silly to suggest an incentive clause would be used when it comes to a Supermax contract.
Excellent sinister joe. Great research.
But you have to read the article quick before it switches to subscriber only !!
Side note.., Sometimes I’ll quickly highlight a word, “select all” and “copy” before it switches to subscribers only. Then I can paste it into my notes and read the article for free lol. Only place it doesn’t work is on the athletic.
I wonder if Grant would do a two year (1plus player option) that pays him more this year before brown extension and see if he plays himself back into a bigger contract, while also competing for a chip.
So not only do they extend Porzingus before Brown, they are planning on signing Grant before JB too? Oh boy!
so not only do you comment on every celtics post you sound like an idiot every time you do! oh boy!
Haha, go ahead, explain how I’m wrong?
you’re trolling. you’re not providing an informed opinion. You never do.
I think that was the deal on him opting in his one year deal. That’s a risk unless they tell him they will extend him after the trade is complete. Not a complicated negotiation where is Jaylen Brown could be very complex. Takes a little more time.
I think Grant Williams is restricted so if another team signs him to an offer the Celtics have three days to match. So yes to answer your question, Grant Williams could be signed before Jaylen Brown as well.
He opted in cause no one was going to give him $30m
not true. Utah was planning to sign him as a free agent. that’s been widely reported.
If Silver was more than a trained pet, he’d call the arbitrage managers running the tanking machines in OKC and SAS and strongly suggest that they think about putting in an offer sheet for one of the RFAs. Just so it looks like there’s actually a free agent market.
OKC did not exactly tank last year, perhaps you missed their season.
Didn’t miss a thing, but you apparently did. Tanking is a FO undertaking. What significant moves did the OKC FO make last year to improve the product on the court? Their only deadline move (when they were right there for the play-in) was a sale.
I know I will get hammered for this, but I have advocated all along for the C’s to trade Brown. He has never been a team player. He either has poor peripheral vision, or he just doesn’t want to pass. His dribbling has not improved. J.B. Has great talent, but he needs to play in the framework of a team concept.
Should have traded him last year. Tatum and Brown just don’t work. Too many turnovers and ISO plays. Also blame the amateur coach who don’t want to use the bench. In all the playoffs, he only used 7-8 players. Udoka utilized the bench better.
I’m with you for other reasons. I think the Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown Duo has gone as far as they can. Even adding KP I think they should trade Brown now before paying him Max money.
Bring in another sniper to match up with Tatum. Would have to be an equitable trade though.. can’t just give Brown away because Tatum disappears in the playoffs at times. Shouldn’t be a problem, many teams would love to acquire a star like Jaylen Brown.
same could be said for this comment too garebear
Your post is too vague. I’m not following you. Just giving my opinion. Yours is different? That’s great.., let’s hear it.
he said he was going to get dragged for suggesting the celtics trade Brown for the reasons he posted. All those reasons to trade brown were silly. your were less silly but still somewhat silly. So I pointed out how he deserved to get hammered. IF people hammer you for that opinion I feel it is justified though your reasons are somewhat more sounded than the OPS
Ok gotcha. Well deserved for sure.
you should get hammered for this because none of what you said is really rooted any fact.
Plenty of facts. They haven’t won. NBA Finals once and they’ve been together how many years? Those are facts.
But forget about facts I’m just giving my opinion here in the comment section as the other dude is. Hammer if you want, that’s what it’s for. Fire away acell10.
They’ve been together one less year than Jokic and Murray.
Good thing Denver doesn’t have the same attitude about blowing it up as you do.
Well just my opinion. If you want to keep them together that’s just as valid an opinion as any. I don’t think they win together and I say try something else. Two shooting guards or two high-scoring wings is not an effective pairing as say.., maybe an all World Center and all NBA point guard? Just my opinion though.
This is exactly right. There is no trade the C’s can make that include Brown that will make them better. They don’t have a championship yet but the amount of playoff series they have won together should not be considered a failure.
my opinion is thats it’s short sighted to trade away someone who just made an all NBA team based mostly on recency bias and a largely unfounded and un-factual belief that the two can’t win together when they made an NBA finals and many ECFs.
Good stuff acell10. Valid opinion. Let’s see how it plays out next year and talk about it again next summer.
Any chance the Celtics can get Lillard and keep Jaylen Brown?
I doubt it.., who else could they give? Have to match up with that salary and so you would need at least two guys. Who could they give Portland besides four first rounders that they have stocked up?
I think many have said all along it’s going to have to be a 4 team trade for Portland to get back anything equitable. But even in that case Damian Lillard to Boston without giving up Jaylen Brown is a stretch. Perhaps they would be the team that gives up four first rounders but $40 million bucks would have to go out somehow.
Thanks for the reply!
Just my opinion. We’ll see what someone else says.., could be different and more accurate.
Are you a Celtics fan? What’s your opinion on what they’ve done so far this off season?
I am a Celtics fan but not as knowledgeable as most people on this site – which is why I love reading the opinions of others! I love the Porzingis trade because Horford is getting older and we never really know the status of Robert Williams. Seems like RW is always on a minutes restriction!
Okay good stuff chinch7. Go Celtics I hope they do well. They’re a tough matchup and I’m glad they’re in the east.
In my opinion they should have beat the Warriors 2 years ago in the finals. Not sure how Golden State pulled it off. I think Tatum went cold at the wrong time. Sort of like Klay Thompson this year against the Lakers went cold at the wrong time.. one game 3-15 and another game 3-19. That’ll send you home in a hurry. Go celtics !!
I don’t think Curry missed a shot in the 6 game Finals vs. the Celtics! I think he’s the best shooter in the NBA and fun to watch…but terrifying to play against!!
Glad I was able to get the conversation rolling. I stated in 2022 and again this season that I didn’t believe the Celtics could win until Brown became a team player. I still believe that. I haven’t seen any progress toward that, and Coach Mazzulla is not going to make that happen. Now the Lakers are much improved. The Suns are better. Milwaukee will maybe have Middleton at full strength for the first post season in 3 years. If Miami gets Lillard, they will be better. Denver is still good. I’m not sure the Celtics have gotten that much better with the trade. If I see Brown passing more and handling the ball better and not trying to drive through 4 defenders, I will gladly post that I was wrong.