The Heat didn’t go beyond their initial offer to Max Strus, according to Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel (Twitter link).
Strus attracted plenty of attention on the free agent market and Miami eventually agreed to a sign-and-trade with the Cavaliers that turned into a three-team swap. Strus wound up with a four-year, $63MM contract, far more than the Heat were willing to pay him. The Heat will get a traded player exception worth approximately $7MM in the deal.
Miami did make a counter-offer for Gabe Vincent, Winderman adds, but it couldn’t stop him from agreeing to a three-year contract with the Lakers for more money.
We have more on the Heat:
- Orlando Robinson has signed a standard minimum-salary contract but he has some work to do to earn the full value for 2023/24, Winderman tweets. There are conditional elements to the contract, including guarantee dates. One of those stipulations is that he must make the opening-night roster.
- The Nets have been contacted regarding the possibility of acquiring Tyler Herro in order to facilitate a Damian Lillard deal between the Trail Blazers and Heat, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald tweets. This confirms another report that the Nets were interested in Herro, whose four-year, $120MM extension kicks in next season.
- Herro may be weary of hearing his name in trade rumors. For what it’s worth, Herro has removed “Miami Heat Guard” from the header on his Twitter feed and replaced it with “Slow motion,” NBA Central relays (Twitter link).
- Jamaree Bouyea, recently signed to a two-way contract, believes he can become the next Heat success story among undrafted players, Anthony Chiang of the Miami Herald tweets. Bouyea played on separate 10-day contracts with the Heat and Wizards as an undrafted rookie last year. “I like how they just invest, they invest in their young guys,” he said. “Obviously, they have a bunch of undrafted talent that got paid this offseason and offseasons before this, as well.”
Nets offer Dinwiddie and O’Neale for Herro?
I’d offer Ben Simmons and 2 Firsts for Herro
Simmons still have 2 years contract left
Then Heat offer Lowry, Martin and 4 Firsts for Lillard
Heat would have big 4
Butler, Bam, Lillard, Ben Simmons
Ben Simmons is not a big part of anything anymore.
Ben just need to Click the refresh button,
pressing the F5 key will cause the current page to refresh
Lol. Ben needs a lot more than a F5 button. Dude doesn’t even like basketball
The reason Butler isn’t in Philly is Ben Simmons. I doubt Jimmy wants to play with that stiff.
If you’re going to include Simmons in that tier, might as well say the Heat have a Big 8-12.
Probably have attach a first just to offload him.
Miami is going to be an interesting looking roster if they can’t land Lillard.
Getting off of Lowry should be a priority if they can get a return.
Losing Strus, and Vincent is a pretty big blow.
Lowry is an expiring, and is an important 2 way player for them. Losing Strus hurts, but they brought in Richardson, and have some guys in summer league they’re clearly looking at for that spot as well
Even if they do land Lillard, that roster is going to look a lot different than last year’s. Lost Strus and Vincent and if they get Lillard, they’ll likely lose Herro and who knows what else? I don’t doubt that Jimmy, Lillard, and Bam are still good enough to make the playoffs in the East, but I’m not sure I would call them championship contenders yet.
Those three would certainly be a nice mix. One outside, one inside, and one floating around inside the perimeter. Still have Duncan. Strus and Vincent left, but I feel they were products of a system. It’s going to be interesting to see how they do with their new teams.
With the Heat, whenever they lose players that are the supporting cast, you can always be confident that Pat Riley and Spo will find their replacements who will be the next breakout players. Pat Riley has been doing that for a whole career and Spo has been doing it since Riley brought him along.
So essentially, it will be Lillard, Butler and Bam supported by the current remaining guys, and then the next breakout players that the Heat find and that mesh well into the Heat Culture.
Strus and Vincent have never really shown anything before this. Heat will be okay.
These sign and trades are out of hand
Can’t see Herro on Nets. Way too much to pay a backup. Nets are set at SG, PG, SF. Claxton also is looking like a set piece. If only the real Ben would show up.
Who could honestly use Herro. That’s the big question ……. Crazy this is holding up Dame trade !!!!!
The real Ben has shown himself, it was both pathetic and embarrassing.
No one wants Herro on that contract, watch how arduous this becomes because he’s a hyped up scorer who plays less defense than people who don’t play much defense
Everyone seems to be overpaid nowadays, talking about those who just got out of their rookie contracts (first-round draftees).
Herro isn’t a hyped-up scorer, he is a natural scorer. Good percentages all around, with big games experience (should count for something).
Nobody is hyping anything about his defense though. It’s a known weakness for him – though with a team like the HEAT with elite defense, they can generally hide/protect these deficient ones e.g. Herro and Robinson
Herro is a good young player that keeps getting better. A team getting him should be looking at him more as a future sidekick for a star or two. Herro can play on the offensive side. He looks legit there. He can be a core piece to a future team’s three guys to build around. Just the fact that he’s been the third piece for the Heat (more or less) at such a young age, is a big testament to that.
Now he’ll never be “the guy”, but any team acquiring him very likely knows that. But he’s good to be a big future piece as he keeps getting better.
Herro would be starting over Johnson if that’s who you think would be playing at SG. And even if he came off the bench, he’s still going to get starters minutes and can play either guard position. $30M for his numbers in todays game isn’t bad at all.
Why do you view Herro as a back up? He started all 67 games he was healthy for. The Heat were contenders. He’s certainly getting paid like one? What team wouldn’t want a 6’5 guard who can handle the ball and shoot 38% from the 3.
Brklyn jumping in and taking Herro for some of those quality expiring’s back to Por really gives that idea some legs to stand on . Por can probably find shelter for DFS as well as Brk does have to wing depth to parcel (one of few)
Lowry or Duncan would be the second piece of salary dispersed
This probably helps MIA’s pursuit quite a bit, and helps them more easily recognize a clean (er) ledger . If Brklyns really in on Herro I think you have the ingredients to make the 3 teamer work
Hi, here’s my blockbuster trade idea regading Lillard and backing up the Nets interest in Herro.
Is a 4 team trade between Heat,Blazers,Nets and Raptors.
Miami gets: Dame and Thaddeus Young
Brooklyn gets: Herro, Nurkic, Boucher and Malachi Flynn
Toronto gets: Lowry and Finley-Smith plus Miami 2 1st available (I believe they are ’28 and ’30)
Portland gets: Ben Simmons, OG Anunoby, Nic Claxton and Cam Thomas plus 3 0r 4 1sts from Brooklyn
Financially, Miami saves 3 mil that could be valualable since they are over the tax, Brooklyn saves 4.2 mil so they can still spend about 11 m in 1 or 2 guys if they want without going over the lux tax line. Toronto adds 1.4 mil but still barely below the lux tax line and with the full roster set. And Portland adds 5.8mil to its payroll but they can absorb that, 6.7 mil still below the tax line with 3 roster spots to fill (3 minimums)
The outcomes for every team:
Miami: gets his guy and lose what it was expected to lose without giving up more pieces (like Martin)
Brooklyn: Gets rid of Ben’s contract!!! Yeah that takes 3 or 4 1st but to get rid of Ben and add someone like Herro in the process is a no brainer. There are already reports they want Herro
Toronto: Yeah I know they lose Anunoby but there was also a report that they are not committed to him beyond the this season (he wants Jerami’s ridiculous contract) so this is a good chance to get some value and replacing him with no so much downgrade in Finney-Smith and also get his franchise hero back to give him a proper farewell. Also make sure going below the tax and getting 2 1st that could be very valuable (Lillard and Butler may be retired then)
Portland: Got the 1 st rd picks, attaching Nurkic’s contract is what they wanted and they get a mobile young defensive center in return, a terrific young scorer in Cam and of course the centerpiece in OG. And well yeah…Ben. But it is this year and the next and the torture is over. If there is a team that can be patient with this is Portland and maybe they could get his mind back (he’s a lost cause in my opinion but who knows).
Well, let me know what you think. Just try to be open minded and don’t say Ben is a dealbreaker, look every angle cited.
Brooklyn hangs the phone.
Its one of the better multi team deals on here I must say so props for the time, effort, and most importantly CBA following restrictions you put into it , especially when considering I think your moving a quarter billion dollars here so well done on that
My objections would be the Tor /Brk parts
I think it works for Mia and Por (the 2 major players)
Reasons why I don’t think it works for Tor/Brk
Tor I don’t see wanting to take a step back and it feels lite
Brk- I don’t think they feel the need to offload Ben at such a steep cost today. His value gets better next trade deadline and even moreso next summer to move – I think they can net Herro much easier that also doesn’t involve bringing Nurk to town. Think they like Claxton quite a bit as well. They hold a lotta highh ground imo today on possible trades to all 29 teams, this would feel like a hail marry to me, one that might work but unnessasay to take the risk on
I like your analysis and your math is pretty good: 225 mil moved in such proposal of a multi-team trade.
Yeah Toronto is seling a bit low but that depends on how they value OG from now on. Cannot add more players going to them because it will pass the tax line, maybe sweeten with 2nd rounders from MIA or POR.
And the timing of BRO trading on Ben you might be right but also depends and how they see him as a burden or if they are desperate to get outta him.
Brooklyn cannot get Lillard without including Ben or Dinwiddie on the trade, and I don’t think POR wants Dinwiddie with all the young guards there to develop
Even without the FRPs, BKN hangs up. BKN may have interest in Herro, but certainly wouldn’t trade both Claxton (young All Star rim protector) and DFS for him. Nor would they take on guys like Nurkic, Boucher and Flynn merely to shed Simmons, who’s contract isn’t causing any harm to them.
Consider that multi-team trades start as two team trades. What MIA and POR are getting and giving up from and to the other if its just the two of them. If that’s not relative equal in terms of market value, then there’s no real chance it’s going forward. Other teams don’t join deals to overpay, only underpay, market. And everyone knows the market.
So, do you really think the market value of Lillard is relatively equal to Herro, Lowry (negative) and 2 very remote MIA FRPs? If not, you’re playing a shell game, which if you enjoy it, fine, but it has to relationship to reality.
I understand your point about Claxton and agree but it has to be included to seduce Portland otherwise they just get OG and fillers basically (plus picks of course). You can change O’Neale instead of Claxton (same money) but that does not make it (and does not move Nurk either).
What about if the trade that I already mentioned you remove Cam Thomas (stays in Brooklyn), and you add Caleb Martin and Jovic going to Brooklyn, with Flynn going to Miami instead of Brooklyn?
That would still work financially (nobody pass the tax line except Miami of course) and would balance more in favor of Brooklyn. I think that could be much more fair and equal
How about MIA just offers POR their trade assets (Herro, Lowry, Martin, Jovic, Jaquez and their 2 FRPs, 2 swaps, 2027 and 2029) for Lillard and Nurkic.
Then maybe POR conditions it on being able to flip Herro to BKN or some other team for something it wants more than Herro. Might be expirings (Dinwiddie/Thomas/Sharpe) and a few FRPs, or DFS/O’Neale/Thomas and one FRP. Herro isn’t going to net any more than that.
Simmons is unlikely to be involved because he has only 2 more years, and he’s not an issue for BKN this year and will be an expiring deal next year. He might need to be involved in a Lillard deal, not in a Herro deal, which doesn’t trigger an immediate win now situation.
Lol Toronto would NEVER do that trade. I’m pretty sure they were asking for something like 4 first round pick OG alone.
And that’s why he’s still there after being in the trade block every year. Ujiri overvalues his players way too much to keep its core but he might lose him for nothing like FVV. If he’s not traded now he will be mid february and certainly their not gonna get 4 1st for him. These 2 Miami 1st’s are enough like I said it could be very valuable when Miami run is over
So Nets deal 3 1sts and Ben Simmons and Cam Thomas to the Blazers.
Heat send Herro to the Nets.
Heat send Jovic, and 2 1sts to the Blazers.
Heat get DFS or Royce and Dame Lillard.
Some other components need to be moved to match the salaries, one of which will need to be Lowry or Duncan Robinson. So it may ultimately need to involve a 4th team.
And at that point the trade likely falls apart.
I can’t see Blazers wanting DFS or Royce instead of picks and/young players. Those guys are more useful to the Heat or a 4th team.
Getting back DFS would be pretty nice, as a Heat fan, I cant lie about that…
Maybe I’m misreading this but how does this move make any sense for the Nets?
They trade three 1sts, Cam Thomas, DFS or Royce, shed Simmons, and all they get back is Herro?
Just dumping Simmons would cost at least 2 1st round picks. Getting back a good, young player, will also cost you assets.
Then they would just keep Simmons. They’re not desperate to unload him. They should just keep the picks and Simmons. Your proposal doesn’t make any sense for the Nets. Makes them a worse team and weakens their draft assets, all to get rid of Simmons. Horrible move.
Having a max contract slot sit on your roster providing little to no value is your plan for the Nets? Good thinking…
And what would they do with that money if they dumped Simmons? Trade for Harden…?
“Having a max contract slot sit on your roster providing little to no value is your plan for the Nets? Good thinking…”
It is good thinking when your alternative is to make the current team worse while also mortgaging the future by trading away picks. Their current team is a playoff team. Your trades would make them a play-in team at best but also cost them three (!) 1sts. Makes zero sense.
Keep Simmons if the cost of moving him is that insane. Even if he doesn’t play a minute, it’s better than your trade, then you have him as an expiring deal next summer. I’ll repeat: the Nets are not desperate to unload Simmons. There are no stars out there they need to spend that money on.
If the Nets are trying to trade for Dame Lillard, that is a right-now move. And that move doesn’t happen with Ben Simmons on the Net’s roster. Any move that they want to make for a premier player starts with Ben Simmons and 2 1sts to another team. If they wait until next season, when his deal is expiring, they’ll likely have to give up less.
The Nets also have multiple picks 2025 (2), 2027 (3), 2028 (2), 2029 (3).
Again the NETS are the ones that have expressed their interest in Dame Lillard, and they have expressed interest in Tyler Herro. If it’s not Herro, then it’s going to be another player of that ilk. Herro makes a lot of sense, because of his contract and position at SG. Their current roster outlook is 3 and 4 dominant – Bridges, Cam Johnson, Clowney, and Whitehead are the only players that are lock to be on the roster after this season. They are light at PG, SG, and C. So if their plan is to push chips in now (which seems to be the case since they made bids for Dame already), they’re going to have to give up assets to move Simmons and his 37.89M in that deal, or acquire additional assets by moving DFS/Royce to use in a Ben Simmons-led trade.
DFS, Royce, Cam Thomas, Claxton, DinWiddie, Simmons + the FAs they just signed, all potentially will be gone by the end of the season.
It’s not rocket science. If the Bulls wanted to move Lonzo Ball, who might play as many games in the next 2 years as Ben Simmons, they’ll have to attach 1st round picks or multiple 2’s for him to waste away on someone else’s ledger.
Imagine that, I’m not the only one that thought this is how it would shape put…
As @IanBegley noted&we’ve corroborated, Nets were contacted regarding Herro (& have interest) as part of a 3-team Heat/Blazers/Nets permutation to get Lillard to Miami. As @BobbyMarks42 noted, that would work with Simmons, 5 1sts to Blazers. But Portland obviously could seek more
2:17 PM · Jul 2, 2023
A couple of thoughts I could see as options
The same earlier deal I mentioned previously, but instead, Orlando gets Herro instead of Simons, and Portland gets Caleb Houston from Orlando in addition to the others, and the 2024 denver 2nd is the 2025 Denver 1st, which would be 5 1sts instead of 4
Heat get Lillard and Nassir Little
Orlando gets Simons
Portland gets Lowry, Herro, Gary Harris, Bol Bol, Cole Anthony, Orlando 2024 1st, Denver 2024 2nd, Memphis/Boston 2025 2nd, Milwaukee 2026 2nd, Heat 2024 1st (after Heat swaps 2025 and 2026 with OKC to open it up), Heat 2028 1st, Heat 2030 1st
Another idea would be to have Kyle Lowry go to Brooklyn, with Spencer Dinwiddie and Edmund Sumner going to Portland, and a 2026 2nd
And then 1 more where Lowry goes to Philly, Siakam goes to Philly
Paul Reed goes to the Heat
Tobias Harris and a Philly 2nd goes to Portland
Harden, Jaden Springer 2029 Philly 1st to Toronto, and 1 of their other 2nds
I can tell allot of folks here like to play fantasy basketball based on these trade ideas.
Perhaps we should start a league.
Then my whole team would get injured and everyone here would be salty it was my fault their team was terrible in real life…I’m good
I already have to deal with that in real life every season, without personally jinxing it
Fire it up. Would love to grab Steph Curry and any other Warrior I could to watch StephCurry8Rings (aka Marty McRae) melt down.
Maybe we should. Got some time…
Al’s first pick – DeRozen.
The Heat could acquire Lilliard if they were willing to swap Nurkic for Adebayo. Dame and Nurkic to the Heat, Adebayo, Lowry and a number one pick to Portland. The salaries work.
Lilliard and Nurkic to the Nets for Simmons, Finney-Smith and Claxton plus a couple of first and second picks works too.