9:37pm: The trade is now official, the Bucks announced in a press release.
“Damian Lillard is an elite player in our league and someone we’ve long been fans of,” said general manager Jon Horst. “These opportunities are rare and hard to measure and execute. We are incredibly grateful for this opportunity for our community and team, and beyond excited to welcome Damian and his family to the Milwaukee Bucks. His character, competitiveness, talent and experience complement our group and gives us the best chance to win at the very highest level as we create new memories together.”
“These are the hardest, most human moments of this business. Jrue was unmatched in his commitment to the Bucks and the Greater Milwaukee community,” Horst said of Holiday. “He’s truly a champion on and off the court, and we are all thankful for what he and his family have given to our team and city. He and his wife Lauren were steadfast in their efforts to make a positive difference in the lives of so many people. Their leadership and dedication to the community has left an indelible mark and inspired the Bucks organization for years to come.”
1:22pm: The Bucks have reached an agreement to trade for star Trail Blazers guard Damian Lillard in a blockbuster three-team deal that also includes the Suns, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN (Twitter links).
According to Wojnarowski, Portland will acquire guard Jrue Holiday and an unprotected 2029 first-round pick from the Bucks, along with the right to swap first-round picks with Milwaukee in 2028 and 2030. The Blazers will also get center Deandre Ayton and rookie forward Toumani Camara from the Suns in the deal.
In exchange for Ayton and Camara, Phoenix will receive center Jusuf Nurkic, forward Nassir Little, and guard Keon Johnson from Portland, as well as wing Grayson Allen from Milwaukee, per Woj.
The massive deal is the culmination of a saga that lasted nearly three months after Lillard requested a trade out of Portland in early July. The seven-time All-Star had spent his entire 11-year NBA career with the Trail Blazers but felt that the team was no longer moving toward championship contention following consecutive lottery seasons and sought a change of scenery.
Miami was Lillard’s landing spot of choice, but reports throughout the process indicated that there was little communication between the Heat and Trail Blazers. In recent days, with the Blazers believed to be working to make a deal before the start of training camp, other Eastern Conference suitors like the Raptors and Bucks were increasingly connected to the 33-year-old.
Milwaukee ultimately emerged as the surprise winner of the Lillard sweepstakes, beating a handful of conference rivals to the punch and strengthening a core that also includes two-time MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo and standout starters Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez, both of whom signed new free agent contracts with the club this offseason.
While there have been questions about whether Lillard would be happy to report to any team besides the Heat, both he and Antetokounmpo have expressed a desire to play with one another in the past, as Chris Haynes of Bleacher Report and Alex Kennedy of BasketballNews.com point out (all Twitter links). And the Bucks should put Lillard in a better position to win a championship than he ever had with the Blazers.
Meanwhile, Antetokounmpo may not be any more inclined to sign a long-term extension with the Bucks following the acquisition of Lillard than he was earlier in the offseason, given that he would benefit financially from waiting another year. However, in dealing for another star like Lillard, the Bucks’ front office proved it heard Giannis’ call for the organization to be as committed to contending for titles as he is.
The Blazers, who patiently scoured the market for most of the offseason in the wake of Lillard’s trade request, will come away from the deal with a pair of intriguing new players in Ayton and Holiday, though the big man is more likely to remain in Portland than the veteran guard.
According to Wojnarowski (Twitter link), the Blazers – who are focused on developing a young backcourt that features Shaedon Sharpe, Anfernee Simons, and this year’s No. 3 overall pick Scoot Henderson – remain engaged in trade talks involving Holiday and could flip him to a contender for additional assets.
Holiday, who can become a free agent next summer if he turns down his 2024/25 player option, recently spoke about his desire to sign a contract extension with the Bucks, but now appears destined for a new long-term NBA home. Holiday will become extension-eligible in February, though as Bobby Marks of ESPN notes (via Twitter), he won’t be able to sign a contract that exceeds the extend-and-trade limits (two new years, 5% raises) until six months after being dealt.
On the other hand, it sounds like Ayton will be a keeper for the Blazers, who have had interest in the former No. 1 overall pick in the past and were linked to him again within the last week. The 25-year-old had an up-and-down five-year stint in Phoenix that included some tension with former Suns coach Monty Williams, but he has averaged a double-double for five straight seasons, including 18.0 points and 10.0 rebounds in 30.4 minutes per game across 67 contests last season.
As for the Suns, they recognized that a player such as Ayton, who liked to have the ball in his hands, might not be an ideal fit alongside their new big three of Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal, and turned the young center and his $32.5MM cap hit into a series of role players on smaller contracts, including another big man in Nurkic.
Acquiring Nurkic, Little, Allen, and Johnson will make the Suns deeper and will give them more flexibility in future trades, given that their nearly all of their non-stars had been on minimum-salary contracts. However, the move creates a bit of a roster crunch in Phoenix. The club will now have 15 players on guaranteed contracts, plus Jordan Goodwin and Ish Wainright on partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed deals. At least two of those 17 players will have to be traded or cut before the regular season tips off.
While the Suns will increase their roster count as a result of this trade, the Bucks and Trail Blazers are both sending out more players than they’re taking back. That’s especially notable for Milwaukee, which had been carrying 15 players on guaranteed salaries prior to agreeing to acquire Lillard. The Bucks now project to have an open spot on their 15-man regular season roster, which could be used to add a backup point guard.
From a cap perspective, the Bucks will take on the biggest long-term deal in the three-team trade — Lillard is under contract for four more seasons and will earn a projected $216MM during that time, while Holiday ($36.86MM) and Allen ($8.93MM) could both reach free agency next summer.
The Blazers will owe Ayton approximately $102MM over the next three years before he becomes eligible for free agency. Camara is under contract for four years, but it’s a minimum-salary deal and only the first season is guaranteed.
The Suns will take on Nurkic’s three-year contract worth $54.38MM and Little’s four-year contract worth $28MM in addition to Allen’s expiring deal. Johnson is owed a guaranteed $2.81MM salary in 2023/24 and has a $4.47MM team option that the Suns must pick up or decline by October 31, if he’s still on the roster at that point.
“Hes gonna be in miami” lol!!
Milwaukee is known as the other Miami, almost the same.
Similar climate.
They both begin with ‘M’ and Lillard probably can’t spell, anyways
Heat fans and sportswriters just as bad as faker laker fans ..eeeeeeverybody and their mamma gonna sign or be traded to them
Lillard definitely won’t ask to be traded from bucks…
WHOAA
Tough break for the heat. They have now missed out on KD Dame Mitchell Beal and now Giannis
KD is the only one of those that matters to the Heat
Miami has been fine without them
And they’ve outperformed all the teams that have those players.
What are you talking about? Last I checked, they didn’t have a ring and the Bucks did.
They should get Jrue ……. He’s cheaper and still makes them better. Might be better cause they can keep their young draft picks.
WOW
Whoa…..that’s ….interesting
From out of nowhere!!!
Interesting “haul” for Ayton for Phoenix. I guess they just really wanted him out. Nurkic will be tough and serviceable but it seems like that Ayton/Phoenix dynamic wasn’t working anymore.
Well the sun’s needed depth after they traded it all.
What a joke. The NBA teams are run by a bunch of clowns that should be replaced by fantasy team GM’s.
I actually think this trade makes sense for once.
– Blazers got some fruitful future picks (assuming Gian era is over by ’28 and Milwaukee goes back to low budget team
-Blazers also got a starting PG and C combo out of this , which is a massive upgrade over Lillard NOT playing.
– Suns obviously wanted Ayton out , so got a package of role players including a starting C who’s probably a better fit than Ayton was
– Milwaukee git Lillard. nuff said
I fail to see where this trade doesn’t make sense?
I mostly agree, not the worst thing. I expected more picks for Portland was the main surprise to me. Must have been an angry Miami fan on the first comment….
The teams who wanted Lillard either didn’t have the picks Portland wanted (Miami) or probably weren’t willing to give up as many as Portland asked for (Toronto). It seemed like Portland really wanted to get out of Nurkic’s contract too, but nobody was going to give Portland say 6-8 years worth of picks/pick swaps and take on Nurkic too.
Package probably feels light because people were expecting a Gobert-esque haul. But I honestly think this works out for everybody. Portland clears cap, gets a young-ish player that fits their current roster, and can either hold onto Jrue to mentor their young guards for a couple of months or flip him to another team (maybe Miami?) for some sort of package that probably got Portland intrigued in the Lillard talks. Suns finally divorce from Ayton and pick up some much needed depth.
I don’t like the draft pick return for Portland at all. The nearest is like 2028 if they decide to swap. Then 2030. Should have gotten something inside the next 1-3 seasons.
Plus, Holiday is not a position of need. Wonder if they’ll flip him elsewhere.
Holliday will 100% be shipped elsewhere for more picks.
I think they will probably have a few good picks in the next year or two already, and they already have the future core of Sharpe/Scoot with some other young pieces like Ayton and Simons to keep or flip. You get some pick value back for like Jrue to Bos.
The value is in like 2 years when Scoot has developed and you want to trade for another main piece and these picks are seen as high value assets.
It definitely makes sense. Though you can’t possibly believe that a team that still had 2 starting quality point guards after dealing Lillard is planning on keeping Holiday?
Thank god that NBA is not ran by fantasy team GMs. Unless your comment is sarcastic, the only clown in the story is you bro :)
Jrue will be a GREAT role model for Scoot
For the week before they flip him somewhere else.
Tough to flip a max contract guy at this stage of the season. I think he stays for the year at least.
3 of them just moved in this deal alone. Portland is reportedly having conversations right now about moving him. My guess is there’s at least 1 team out there who believes Jrue can help their title chances a lot, and will figure out a way to get a deal done, and soon.
We shall see.
Jrue to Miami seems obvious. They had the cap space to trade for Dame so taking on Jrue’s lower salary wouldn’t be an issue.
If he doesn’t kill him first.
So Portlant gets Holiday at 33+34 age at 34+37 mill, Ayton, 1 unprotected 1st, and 2 pick swaps, and 1 rookie?
Little underwhelming.
Have a feeling Portland will be trading Jrue to a contender for young talent and/or picks.
But they got a player Herro level/age that fits the Scoot/Sharpe/Simons set up in Ayton much more than Herro would, a top vet worth something in a deadline flip and 3 picks/swaps and managed to offload Nurkic. It’s more than Miami offered, be it only slightly and still an underpay.
But it is a statement that GMs won’t be bullied into trades by players and agents. Good move really. I think Suns got the raw deal though.
F-That on the bullying B.S.
@Taco why? It’s right. Dame and his agent claimed he would only show up to Miami. Heat knew this and offered low ball thinking they had Blazers over a barrel(it’s reported Heat could offer more than they actually did). Requesting trades is fine but dictating where & decimating the value of a top 15 player isn’t right.
So Portland did the deal without even going back to Miami for a better offer, just like with Tsai refused to send KI to Lakers. It’s reported Miami only found out he was going by Woj like all of us.
Best trade they could get. Better than anything Miami could offer.
ARC: Totally agree. Miami’s rumored package was Herro and two 1sts, which would likely fall in the 20s, plus whatever salary filler. Ayton, Holiday, a 1st, and two swaps is a better deal.
Add the fact that Holiday will likely be treated for more future assets too. Far better trade market for Holiday than Lillard
3 unprotected picks (if Portland is better they’ll take the swaps) from Milwaukee that don’t come until giannis is older or gone and 2 good players they can flip for even more picks is a great haul for a guy that wanted out and would’ve not played possibly.
Hate this for MKE
How so?
YES! Heat avoided a stupid trade. Milwaukee got worse, but Phoenix got a lot better and fixed a couple of issues…and I feel bad for Jrue Holiday. Also, I don’t get how this is better than what they supposedly would have been offered from the Heat, but I guess Portland gets their petty win, and I guess they also moved Little and Nurkic’s contracts, but they took on Aytons terrible one, so Portland is dumb. Should have kept Lillard, and tried to move Simons again after the first couple of months, with him off the bench
Actually a really impressive move by Phoenix to not only manage to move Ayton, but get pieces back they could use
Imagine feeling sorry for a man that makes 30m lol!
Ayton’s contract isn’t terrible and he’s a clear upgrade over Nurkic. Nurkic is the one with the terrible contract. Who knows what Milwaukee’s picks will look like in 2028 – 2030. They could be a lot better than Miami’s upcoming 1st’s which will almost certainly be late in the round.
Also, to clarify, Milwaukee is still really good, but they got worse, in my opinion. Unless they can add something to replace what they lost. Their offense should theoretically be better, but their defense and playmaking, and balance took a hit
I also found Giannis comments funny last month, considering last year was the best roster they ever had, even though their coach used it terribly in the playoffs
Why do you feel Milwaukee lost in this trade? Lillard is a perfect fit there.
Offensively, I can agree with that
They will probably move middleton back to sg and have crowder take on most of the defensive responsibilities… all in all they will still be a really good defensive team with brook giannis and middleton adding more offensive power just makes them better imo.
They’re going to end up still using Lopez too much, and be relatively similar
He’s not a perfect fit for the Bucks at all. He’s a ball dominant scorer joining a team that already has a ball dominant all round player. Plus, his D is becoming problematic, and the Bucks shipped out a really good defensive guard for him (who also happens to be a very efficient scorer).
This doesn’t move the needle for them offensively by much, and it makes their D worse.
How did they get worse? Holiday is replaced by Lillard who I feel is a better overall fit. Allen is a very good role player but can be replaced in the abstract. Bucks have an all-star trio headed by 2 . They still have Lopez and they can work on the bench mid-season
After Giannis made those comments, this seemed like a real possibility that they moved Jrue.
From Portland’s perspective, they’ll easily move Jrue. Honestly, they might move him to the Heat. 2 firsts + Lowry for Jrue could be the right package.
Ayton I can see them keeping. Household name. Under contract for several years.
Max contract guys aren’t easy to move this late in the off-season, and we already know what Portland thinks of Herro.
I’m actually thinking this might be an interesting play for Denver. They have a major money problem looming with a supermax for Murray in the cards in two years. Pay Jrue instead of Michael Porter for those two years, then clear that salary for the out years until Jokic retires. They could use the defense as well.
Also, everyone saying Lowry, Herro, and picks wasn’t enough. They made the same trade, but made it a 3 team deal and took Aytons terrible contract and got less pick capital roflmao
But Herro has a terrible contract and is a bench player. Jrue is much better than Herro and is tradable to flip to another team for picks if they so desire. Ayton is a huge upgrade over Nurkic. Miami had nothing Portland wanted
I wouldn’t have traded Lillard, and as a Heat fan, didn’t want to trade for him. Herro was only an issue for them b/c they’re stuck with Simons, though I think they could have maybe moved him to Orlando. Still a better deal than Ayton. They got less pick capital, and obviously Jrue Holiday is the best player, but he and Lowry are relatively similar, and are both expiring.
Again, relatively similar deal. They moved Little’s contract, but took back Ayton at more money/years than Nurkic, but again, in this 3 team scenario, so the deal was essentially Jrue, Allen, 1 pick, and 2 swaps, which is basically the same as the Heat deal with fewer picks coming back to account for difference in Lowry and Holiday
They will get more picks for Jrue as well so in the end, they will get more picks in this deal. Also, I’m sure Portland would much rather have Simons and his $75m vs Herro and his $120m contracts.
Simons is similar AAV. 1 less year, which I didn’t realize for some reason, b/c I guess his started last year, but in terms of value on both sides of the floor, Herro is better, with similar sillsets
I just don’t see how anyone can say Miami’s trade offer was better. Holiday would be a much easier flip than Lowry. Hero is overpaid for his role. Every team in this trade improved themselves for what they needed.
I said it was similar, which was the point. Not necessarily better, but it was viable. The argument was that it wasn’t
@formerly: the offer the Blazers took from the Bucks is a much better package than the Heat’s in general, but specifically for Portland. Upgraded at C, can flip Holliday for a pick, and got an unprotected 1st that could be a great pick plus two unprotected swaps.
Miami’s offer was Herro (who Portland does not need and would be difficult to trade), Lowry (who would have been waived or riding the bench), and two mid- to late-round 1sts. No brainer move for Portland. Miami’s offer was not good enough.
Herro isn’t better than Simons. You are vastly over estimating what NBA teams think of Tyler Herro. He’s a good player, but exactly the kind of player nearly every team already has, in many cases multiple.
I’m not disagreeing on Herro. I never disagreed on that. I’ve been saying that for 3 years, trying to trade him for certain players, not guards…but he is better than Simons
And also, that isn’t the point. The point is Lowry, Herro and picks and swaps is similar to Jrue, Allen, 1 pick, and 2 swaps
Ayton is more valuable to Portland since Herro’s skillset is redundant based on what they already have. They got out of Nurkic’s contract which was a bonus. They didn’t have to take on Lowry’s awful contract. Jrue will be flipped for more picks. I’d also imagine Giannis won’t be in Milwaukee come 2028 so those Milwaukee picks are likely to be better than Miami’s near future picks which will be later in the round. I think this trade was unquestionably better than Miami’s supposed offer.
idk how I feel about letting Jrue go, the guy poured his heart and soul into the Bucks since he arrived
The only part about this I’m happy with (so far) is they got rid of Grayson Allen. Well, that and they didn’t give away Portis.
I’m not sure why people think Jrue was the guy Giannis supposedly wanted moved. Especially in this situation where the defense is now much worse, and they still have no proven backup PG.
Wow phx won this trade by getting good young role players. Not a huge fan of nurkic but if he buys in then he can be huge for phx aswell.
He’s a better Center than Ayton, tbh. More versatile, more experienced, doesn’t stand around doing nothing for multiple possessions in a row. Health is the issue with him, though. Good work on filling out their depth.
No he’s not a better center. You haven’t watched Nurk much if that’s what you think. He is probably a top ten worst offensive player in the league. He can miss a 3 ft layup, and does it frequently. He is just a big tough body and he does rebound and play D and is therefore a better fit for Suns (the last thing they need is another offensive player), but he’s not a better player than Ayton by a long shot.
Ayton’s offense isn’t a good as you seem to think. He takes a massive hit without Chris Paul on the floor. His FG% and ppg drop a lot. And Nurkic is a better playmaker and shooter. Plus, as you said, better defense. And he’s capable of doing things outside of pick-and-roll finishes.
All I know is Ayton is practically the only center in the league who can compete with Jokic and even give him trouble from time to time. Joke eats Nurk for lunch (despite them being close friends).
Look at the second round of the playoffs and say that with a straight face. Ayton got utterly embarrassed in that series by Jokic, and Denver in general. 11 ppg and 8 rpg when he averages 18 and 10? He played so badly.
Another trade could be…
Jrue + Roco to Sixers
Morris, PJ, Batum, Sixers FRP, Clippers FRP to Blazers
Harden to Clippers.
Not an upgrade for the Bucks. At this stage of his career, Dame is far more injury-prone than Jrue has been over the course of his Bucks tenure. Especially after Jrue’s comments the other day about wanting to sign an extension with MKE, this deal feels like a slap in the face. I’m aware that Giannis and Dame have a good relationship with each other, but the Bucks are going to have to strike lightning in a bottle THIS season if this trade is going to be worth it. Right now, far too many risks involved for Milwaukee to consider this a win.
Dame and Jrue are the same age and Jrue has had his share of injuries. Dame missed much of the 2022 season and excluding that season, Dame played more games than Jrue over the last 5 seasons. So, no, Dame is n0t far more injury prone than Jrue,
But that’s part of the problem. As a former high-usage ironman, he has a ton of mileage under his belt. This may be anecdotal, but it feels like those types of guys tend to age poorly injury-wise once that first major injury or two appears in their early-to-mid 30s.
That said, I certainly wouldn’t say that he’s WAY more injury prone than Jrue.
This is great for two teams- Portland and Suns: Bucks will regret this trade.
1. Portland gets a young top ten center. They get 1 round unprotected pick, plus two swaps 5-7 years out. Those are going to be very valuable as Lillard and Middleton will be gone or really old by then, and likely Gianis will be elsewhere. And they will trade Jrue for young talent and/or picks.
2. Suns get rid of disgruntled center who will want too many offensive touches. Nurcik is better defender and hustle guy on defense that they need. Allen is a 40% 3 point shooter, and smart player.
3. I think bucks will regret this trade even though they had no choice. Either way they are losing Giannis in a year or two. Everyone else is too old and they have no assets to trade for younger players. Lillard is obviously better offensively, but Jrue much better defensively. At best they have one year window, then they will owe so much money to an aging 6’1 Lillard on a rebuilding team, and having given up valuable future picks when they will be a lottery team.
They had choices. This seems a bit desperate to try and get 1 more chip before Giannis officially announces he’s moving on.
Meant choices, but go for a hale Mary. They didn’t want to resign a 34 year old Jrue, and they have Lillard for several years, but with mid thirties Lopez and Middleton?
Spectacular deal for Phoenix. They get a C who doesn’t need the ball but plays defense, plus some actual NBA players to fill out the roster. Fine for Milwaukee and Portland too, but it strikes me as an unnecessary lateral move for Milwaukee. But man will they be good for a little while if everyone stays healthy.
You must not watch Blazer games. I live there and go to games regularly. That said, Nurk does not play defense and is constantly bullied for offensive rebounds.
Ayton’s offensive rebounding is just as bad (almost identical percentages, 9.3% to Nurk and 9.2% for Ayton), and he’s worse at defense, particularly at the rim. And that’s only last year in Nurkic’s case. He’s been far better in the past. Ayton honestly sucks right now. Maybe he can improve in Portland without championship expectations. But right now, Nurkic can do everything he can at a similar or better level. Plus he’s better off-ball, since he’s decent at catch and shoot and doesn’t need the pick and roll to generate his own offense.
To be clear, I still think Ayton has potential, but he looked awful when CP3 wasn’t on the floor, and spent the postseason being a complete non-factor on both ends. Being outplayed by Ivica Zubac in round 1, especially in Game 1, then completely checking out while Jokic hustled in round 2 were really bad. 11/8/1 with a grand total of four blocks across six games is just a terrible statline for your primary Center, especially when he’s known to be much better than that.
A fresh start with a young team might be just what the doctor ordered for him. He’s still just 25 and has room and ability to improve in multiple areas.
Jrue to the Heat
Those bucks picks are gonna be gold if/when giannis leaves and/or they don’t win a title.
Portland first looking to trade Dame for younger core to rebuild in a certain timeline. To trading for a 33 year old and a pick. What just happen here. Someone explain.
Portland did not want to appease to Dame request to go to Miami even if it meant getting a lesser return.
Don’t mess with Portland!
Good thing they didn’t get a lesser return!
They are going to flip Holiday at the first opportunity, maybe not until the mid season deadline but he won’t be around too long. The Blazers made the best deal they could in terms of assets they got in return. Ayton, Jrue, and two first round picks while dumping the Nurkic contract is a decent return and much better than the rumored offers from Miami.
Adding a 25yo Center who is currently overrated and overpaid but is still a former first overall pick with the potential to become an All-Star in the future and only has three years left on a deal that might well become tradeable in the final year of it given the salary cap spikes seems to be on brand for them.
And as Pietrus said, Holiday isn’t staying for long. We might even see him get flipped in the next week, but certainly by the TD.
Novice, Joltin Joe Cronin, does well. Congrats to him! As predicted, MIA overplayed their suppposedly inevitably winning hand.
Deal was a POR winner as soon as they got Jrue Holiday, one of the league’s few true 2 way stars. Holiday doesn’t fit POR’s timeline, but neither did Lillard. Big picture, he got Ayton (for Nurkic and change) and some future draft capital to swap out Lillard for Holiday. He can now deal Holiday. Differences are all positive: Holiday will abide by his contract, no questions asked, so any contender will be interested; Holiday is a 2 way player who can play either guard spot, so any contender will be interested; POR and Holiday don’t have baggage, as POR and Lillard did, so POR can take their time and find the best deal.
Good trade for the Blazers, though if they want to rebuild and bottom out the Miami offer was better for that.
Terrible trade for the Suns IMO, Nurkic is one of the worst rim protectors in the league which is essentially their biggest need.
This doesn’t move the needle for the Bucks, they’ll be better but losing Holiday’s defense is pretty much equivalent to the offensive upgrade Dame is. They better pray Giannis is staying, they now have no picks or swap picks through 2029.
Within six feet of the rim, Ayton allows a higher FG% than Nurkic does, with a roughly equivalent number of blocks and steals, and fewer contests per game. And he’s comparable or worse elsewhere as well. Slightly superior in the short midrange, but otherwise a net nothing or negative.
I could see them trading Nurk for a better defensive big. The question would be, who?
Real nice deal for Por !
Those 28-30 picks have some huge weight and they got true w a young C ( where they had a void ) while dropping Nurk … kudos kudos
Phoenix clearly wins this trade. With everything they gave up for KD last year and acquiring Beal this offseason they lost depth. They give up Ayton who they clearly didn’t want and replace him with 4-5 decent depth players. This trade puts the Bucks as favorites in the east over Boston. Props to Portland for not being bullied into trading Dame where he wanted to go and instead taking the best offer. Miami thought it was a slam dunk they’ll be getting him and lowballed the Blazers and that’s probably why there was silence.
Miami didn’t really have the right pieces even if they were motivated. Portland just didn’t like Herro, and neither does anyone else, at least not enough to cough up an unprotected first or good young player.
Heat never needed Lillard, so why give up every asset for a guard making 60+ million that isn’t making them better
Also, Lowry, Herro, picks, and swaps is similar to Jrue, Allen, 1 pick, and 2 swaps, so I don’t see how 1 can be labeled lowball, not that Portland should have traded Lillard in the first place either
Lowry old…Herro injury prone bench player…Bucks trade are better. -_-
Doesn’t seem like Bucks gave up that much.
Jrue Holiday is an All-Star and two way player with championship credentials. That plus locker room stuff, Community stuff, and he is a prime time player. You just don’t see him in the headlines outside of his community work.
Dame didn’t get to go to Miami like he wanted which is unfortunate but the opportunity to play with Giannis should help with any disappointment. I’ve wanted to see the Dame/Giannis combo but this backcourt is going to be a sieve. Giving up Jrue is tough but also giving up Allen but I assume this means that Beasley starts at SG. Middleton is the only decent perimeter defender on the team unless Crowder has found the Fountain of Youth this off-season.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Connaughton starts at the 2 like he did when DDV got injured in the 2021 playoffs. He’s a solid defender. Honestly, much more solid than you would ever think from watching him. This past season especially. 6’5″ with a 6’9″ wingspan and good instincts make him a pretty natural fit in the role. Beasley probably becomes the sparkplug sixth man Connaughton was sometimes used as. Which is as big of a role as he should have.
I’ll be surprised if Bucks will make playoffs.Sounds crazy,but they don’t have true PG,defense got worse,no bench depth,unproven coach,if either Giannis or Lillard gets injured,they basically done
Milwalkee has never been dependent on Jrue’s playmaking, and Lillard is better at it than him anyway. What? Defense, sure. But that might take them from a top 5 defense to a to seven or eight.
The Bucks are far from done. They do have a true PG, in case you missed it they traded for Damian Lillard. While he obviously is a downgrade defensively from Holiday he’s a better creator and playmaker. The defense did get worse but they still have two of the best defenders in the league with Lopez and Giannis. If any team in the league lost one of their two best players they are basically done. They also use spaces after there commas.
Can you imagine wanting to travel to Miami and ending up instead in Milwaukee?
At least he has good beer to look forward to? Getting drunk can make you forget a lot of problems.
Temporarily.
Old Milwaukee is ass
Really how about threePeat ……
Bucks will be a favorite for next three yrs.
Dame’s a Modelo guy though.
I can imagine myself anywhere in the world with the amount of money Dame has
Dame can travel to Miami whenever he wants.
Well, since his only stated criteria was winning, I think I’d be pretty pleased ending up with Giannis, Middleton, and Lopez.
Scoot now has more help than Dame has had in a decade
Miami choked. Maybe they can get Kim Kardashian!
Let’s have a moment of silence for Kurtis Blow’s ego.
All hush for Blow-ego.
Well it seems Ayton is wanted more and seen for his upside. Something I have always said. Knicks could have offered more Ayton. Oh Well ……
Ayton definitely is better than Herro and picks. Plus now they can move Holiday……. I’m Heat I’m on the phone right now for Jrue. You know he will be primed to beat Bucks. Would love to see him in Miami.
Wish Knicks would have gotten in on Ayton. Imo Suns didn’t get enough. But at least they filled out their roster.
Lowry, Jovic, #1 pick, one pick swap
Jrue Holiday >>>>> Heat
I would swap out Jaquez for a future first in that trade, but Jrue would work fantastically with the Heat.
Or that’s probably what you already meant. lol. Now it’s my turn to wear egg for not reading xD
I like Jaquez lol. He’s going to be solid. Especially in Heat culture. Jrue is cheaper and gives same results. Cause Heat keep assets. And he’s a 2way guy.
Agreed. I meant the Heat should keep Jaquez, because I thought when you said “#1 pick” you meant “their first round pick from this year”, aka Jaquez xD
In my defense, that’s kind of confusing, lol. FRP would be the way I’d shorten that xD
Not to be a Ares ….. But Jaquez is not a pick. He’s already on the roster.
Heat have picks, Jovic, Jaquez, plus Lowry. Plus swaps. They can use. Now they can keep Herro. And Jrue makes Herro a better defender imo.
lmao, you’re good.
I hope jrue to the bulls, ddr to the knick, knicks player and pick to the blazers
I always thought Lillard needed someone like Holiday or Mike Conley next to him to make up for his inept defensive ability. Now I think Holiday could be a great mentor for Scoot and all the youngsters in PDX, but I think he’s going to be shopped for another young big or draft picks+ a young player. I hope he’s willing to stay and mentor, but I don’t think he’s in PDX plans for anything other than a trade asset. Great job getting rid of N’Urcle for a decent defender big in Ayton. I also believe the Bucks will be worse defensively now and teams will be able to run them out of some games. Defense wins and the Blazers got better defensively. Schonz would be saying RIP City!!! A sad ending for the hard working Lillard in PDX but good luck as a buck. PS Dame, bring warm clothes it’s much colder than Miami. You can still get on a boat there but watch out for icebergs instead of sharks!
… and back with Terry Stotts …
Ayton is a future star. Been saying it for yrs. Now with Scoot they can fill their potential. That’s why Blazers did it. Star PG and star C are best positions a team can fill ……. Imo
Gotta give it to Blazers. They got what they wanted. Plus now they can move Jrue.
Great trade for Blazers and Bucks. Suns didn’t get enough. Ayton will come back to bite them.
Yes you have indeed been saying for years that Ayton is a future star, yet the years keep passing and Ayton still isn’t a star.
“Uh oh…”
– Boston
Perfect move for the Heat. No in two years when Bucks are handcuffed with Lillard contract, Giannis gonna bounce and head to Miami.
No, no, no! Miami is trading for and additional drug king pin and Kim Kardashian. I’ll copy this note to remind you in two years. :))))))
lmao you’ve been telling us for months that Lillard was going to the Heat and begging for it to happen. Now that their weak offer was rejected and he went elsewhere, suddenly his contract is a burden and the Heat will get Giannis. Pick a lane.
I just want to Thank the Basketball Gods and the Blazers ……. Now we can move on to real rumors and news ……..
Looking forward to see what happens with Jrue. And what the Heat do now.
Holiday is so underrated I wish the Knicks try to get him he can play off the ball at sg .
Not a bad idea lol ….. plus he would be motivated in MSG.
I called it !!!!!!!
Great deal for Milwaukee, good deal for Portland and average deal for Phoenix
Even as a Sixers fan I’d love to see Dame and Giannas take out the east and win a title together
I’d like to see that too. Two of best players and men of this generation of ballers.
How they fill out the roster plus the new coach’s ability and knowledge of the game will make or break the Bucks this season. Jrue was a great defender but Lopez/Giannis twin towers is the key to shutting done opponents inside play.
I think this trade makes sense for all 3 teams. Good job coming together to create a trade package that benefits everyone.
Portland balanced the roster out if they choose to proceed that way, but I imagine the likelier scenario involves them moving Holiday at the deadline. The 1st they received should be useful as it’s outside the Bucks window of contention. They can build around Ayton if they want.
The Suns swapped out a high-priced player for badly needed depth pieces, and they are all valuable role players. They will contribute and they make the Suns a much deeper team. I feel like this makes them a contender as the lack of depth was going to hinder them. Now that’s not a problem.
Milwaukee added a star who compliments Giannis and Middleton well. They were already a contender and upgrading from Holiday to Dame will likely make them more serious.
Go ahead Cronin! Show them how to kick-start a rebuild! Keep it coming!
Blazers in full rebuild mode since I’m assuming Holiday is not staying. Their defense might be even worse than last season and I wouldn’t be surprised if they give up close to 130 pts per game. For the Bucks it’s a good move because they had no other scorer beside Giannis since Middleton and Holiday started declining. I think those picks they gave up might not hurt them as badly because their front office seems to be run well and I wouldn’t be surprised if they are still a competitive team at that point making those picks not as high the Blazers expect. This doesn’t change much for the Suns except for salary purposes.
Blazers will surprise next yr. Scoot, Ayton, Grant are solid. Their rotation guys are young. There is talent there. Jrue can bring back good value. I can see a .500 team.
And Miami fans thought Herro and 2 1sts was fair value?
Thank you Milwaukee…. I was praying the Raptors didn’t take on that contract.. so freaking happy. I hope you get a Championship out of him. But that contract is ugly in 2 years.
I understand. You have the best player on the planet starting at PG already. USA couldn’t do anything in the Olympics
Ayton is turning 25. Scoot is a young rookie. Their team is young. They should of offered Nurkic and picks for Wiseman, then figure out the rest. They could of made a better deal. The Heat will not make it back to the finals. Being stingy like the Celtics for picks will be their downfall. Jimmy will rot away in Miami now. Florida is overrated anyway
Ayton for Nurkic and more? Sure!
Jrue and Allen for Dame? Nah!
Who play the D at backcourt?
For Blazers, trade Jrue for an expiring contract, for example CP3 =)
“Acquiring Nurkic, Little, Allen, and Johnson will make the Suns deeper and will give them more felxibility”
Man, I love that word! Try saying it out loud..