The Knicks expect starting center Mitchell Robinson to miss the remainder of the 2023/24 season, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic, who reports that the team has applied for a disabled player exception in the wake of the news.
As Fred Katz of The Athletic tweets, disabled player exceptions are only granted if the NBA’s doctors believe a player is “substantially more likely than not” to be sidelined through June 15. Obviously, the Knicks would not have applied for the DPE if they thought he’d be back before then.
Robinson underwent left ankle surgery last week, with New York announcing that he would be reevaluated in eight-to-10 weeks. While the team never disclosed the exact nature of the injury, Stefan Bondy of The New York Post hears Robinson had a fracture that required screws to be inserted during the operation (Twitter link).
The 25-year-old sustained the ankle injury in the first half of a December 8 contest against Boston. He had an X-ray — which was negative, according to head coach Tom Thibodeau — and was able to play five minutes in the third quarter before sitting out the rest of the game.
It’s a devastating blow for Robinson, who has battled a variety of injuries throughout his six-year career. He was averaging 6.2 points, 10.3 rebounds, 1.5 steals and 1.3 blocks through 21 games (29.2 minutes).
The Knicks will be without one of the NBA’s premier offensive rebounders and their defensive anchor. Robinson played a major role in overpowering Cleveland’s frontcourt during the playoffs last season, with New York winning the first-round series in five games.
If granted, the disabled player exception would be worth $7,840,909, which is half of Robinson’s salary for ’23/24.
As Luke Adams explains in our glossary entry, the rules related to disable player exceptions are somewhat restrictive. For starters, it can only be used on a single player.
Essentially, a DPE gives a team the opportunity to add an injury replacement by either signing a player to a one-year contract, trading for a player in the final year of his contract, or placing a waiver claim on a player in the final year of his contract. However, the team must have room on its roster to sign the replacement player — the disabled player exception doesn’t allow the club to carry an extra man.
The Knicks currently have a full roster, but a few players, including Ryan Arcidiacono and DaQuan Jeffries, don’t have fully guaranteed contracts, so the team has some flexibility to move players in and out if necessary.
With Robinson out, Jericho Sims had been starting at center, but he’s expected to miss at least a week with a right ankle sprain. Isaiah Hartenstein has been receiving the bulk of the minutes in the middle though, and he started in Wednesday’s victory over Brooklyn, with Julius Randle and Taj Gibson also playing some minutes at the five.
Man, that sucks. Robinson was really good for the Knicks. Turned into Moses Malone out there. Hope he comes back strong.
In his worst season Malone put up 13/13 with better defense than Robinson ever dreamed of.
Chill bro
Now it’s time to reevaluate the supposedly big trade Knicks are looking for. Mitch was having his best yr. They have to replace his production on D. They can do this by depth. Or trade for a vet Center.
Imo if Knicks are going for Improvement this yr. And the plan was to add another star (talent). Now they must also look at bigs available in a trade. Just hope they don’t get desperate and just add anyone. The pressure is going to be high to add talent now. Fans were expecting a good playoff run this yr. Mitch will be missed, especially on D.
Guess that Vucevic/Fournier + I had thrown out there earlier could be more of a reality. Going down the list of teams willing to move a decent center and it’s slim. A lopsided Ayton deal for example could be something, but not sure the Knicks want that contract. Thinking a Zach Collins may be the most logical without overpaying.
Really lol. I’m all in on that one now.
Knicks can add Sims and picks on that trade. Knicks have to look at bigs. Even Drummond, he’s from north NY. I believe Westchester.
Hartenstein is holding down the fort right now. 2 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks. 9 points, 17 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks. 12 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks. Mitch wasn’t scoring. Hartenstein ain’t Mitch, but he is boarding and blocking shots.
Yeah but now it’s for the year. I like Sims. But we need more experience there. If they want to make noise in playoffs. Have to add a Big. Even if it’s Noel (hope he’s in shape).
Wonder if NY would take on Vucevic’s contract in order to lessen the draft capital it would take to get Demar Derozan ?
Hell, Chicago might give them draft picks if they take Levine and Vuc! Haha !
Or do they pivot to someone like Siakam ?
Or just patch the loss with a vet like Drummond ?
Probably the latter, if they don’t want to lose out on the big ticket item they covet.
Vuc’s contract is not bad. $20 million in this league for that kind of production is not bad. That said, the Knicks do not have a need for multiple years of Vuc. Drummond is not a bad idea, however, as a backup. Hartenstein is capable of starting if he can stay out of foul trouble.
It would take draft capital to aquire Vučević. Centers that give you 17/10.5 on $20mm don’t grow on trees.
Hartenstein is a better all-around player than Vucevic. Vucevic is a massive defensive liability. Hartenstein is one of the better shot-blockers in the league right now. The man has blocked 12 shots in the past 5 games alone while rebounding at a double-digit clip. You want to give up assets, so you can put him on the bench for a worse defensive player????
Vucevic isn’t a “massive” defensive liability. He’s a better team defender than 1v1, but he’s not useless on that end. Especially with his rebounding. He excels at cutting off opposing offensive possessions and forcing players to change their shots or cut them off and pass out instead. He doesn’t get the block numbers of some Centers, because that’s not his focus. There’s more than one way to play defense.
Teams tend to target him late. The rim protection is also an issue with Vucevic. He is not a bad player, but he does not impact games on par with his stats. The Knicks are better with Hartenstein than with Vucevic. The offense isn’t what is needed anyway. Mitch was barely scoring. Hartenstein is giving the Knicks solid play in the middle on the same lines as Mitch.
Barry – I doubt there will even be discussions of Vuc coming to the NYK, or likely going anywhere.
But please explain how a C can anchor the #5 defense in the league (over a full season) while playing without a true PF next to him and carrying LaVine and DeR on the wings and yet be a massive defensive liability? That would be a true magic act. The other two guys (Caruso and Williams) are versitile impact defenders, but not Bill Russell and Gary Payton (not that it would even matter). I won’t even get into any other numbers, which, btw, also hide this liability quite well. This in a league where defensive liabilities are being exposed all over the place. He’s magic.
I’m a fan of the guy, honestly, but all I keep hearing from the media is The Bulls are in a jam, bc they aren’t gelling and have one too many immovable contracts in Lavine and Vuc.
So they have little choice but to trade Derozan
Well, that sucks.
Kai Jones is available. Don’t get me wrong dude has issues but hey maybe he has something. Would literally cost almost nothing except some cash to try him out on a 10 day contract or something.
Kai deserves another chance. Good potential. If Giddey, Miles Bridges, Kevin Porter Jr (he will), Bouknight, Primo, Morant and others can get another chance for doing something as close as bad as Kai Jones did than give him another chance.
This ain’t the first time Thibs has a player with a major injury and he let’s them play through it…
Capela
Trade Evan F, Sims with two or one 2nd to Detroit for Bagley and M Morris
Dude hasn’t expanded his game yet cant stay healthy…
Go get markain
There is no real fix for this. But the C trade target just went from Temp Work to a time share with IH. Problem is what team is giving up such a player this early in the season? It would have to be a tanker. Or a fossil or two until a trade market develops. Great time to see MIL come in for two straight.
Drummond or Noel , I’d ask about Wiseman lol. Really like looking into Wiseman. Thibs helped Mitch. He could help Wiseman.
If Noel is in shape, seems like an obvious one unless he’s not in shape or hiding another injury. He knows the system, and exceled in it. Lofton is on waivers and can just be claimed, no discussion needed. Drummond is an easy trade if CHI in sell mode, but are they? Wiseman can be had for a song, but his salary is in excess of the TPE/DPE and I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute.
It sucks for Robinson and the Knicks as his game was finally starting to develop, less fouls, better help defence, rebounding, but it’s not that major a loss that the Knicks should do something rash like chase Vuc. There are current FA’s like Montrez Harrell that could come in and offer rebounding and tough defence for 10 minutes a night. Put that, Hartenstein and Gibson together and they’ll be fine.
Vuc doesn’t make them a real contender, so why waste any assets on a guy of that level. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good player, but he won’t turn the needle for the club.
Knicks will be better without Mitch – he’s a lost cause on offense who clogs the lane, pushing Randle to play outside.
I-Hart and Taj are both capable rim defenders for now.
I would not be shocked if Knicks trade Mitch in the offseason to clear cap space to resign I-Hart. Thibs suffers from recency bias. If they play better without Mitch he won’t rush to go back to him.
Knicks still need to beef up their frontcourt to play with Bucks, Celtics, 76ers.
Goga Bitadze could be a good option for the Knicks if Orlando decides to not resign him. Bitadze will be free agent next year so Orlando could try to get something in return for him. Maybe Quentin Grimes and/or few second round picks for Bitadze, I think both teams will win with this trade. For all of you Knicks fans please stop putting Evan Fournier name in any trade he has no value in the league whatsoever and his contract is one of the worst contract or perhaps the worst contract in the NBA this year.
If Bulls want to include Vuc. I’m all in. Knicks should be all in. Vucevic has two more for an expiring contract. So he can easily be moved if needed. Better to have a vet for a playoff run. Plus adding two season vets (DeM, Vuc). Only makes Knicks stronger and deeper. Only thing is matching salaries, would need a third team.
I’m interested in Drummond too. Knicks should also be looking at him. Thibs almost signed Drummond at one time. He always liked his rebounding, as I do too. This one probably easier to do.
Bulls get — Quickley, Sims, Grimes, Fournier, a #1 pick, two 2nd rd picks.
Knicks get — DeM DeR, Drummond
Get it done !!!!
Drummond and DeRozan. Bagley or Wiseman or just sign Noel?