2:48pm: The trade is official, the Knicks confirmed in a press release (Twitter link).
“We’re ecstatic to welcome OG, Malachi, and Precious to the Knicks family,” Knicks president Leon Rose said in a statement. “OG’s complete offensive game and ability to defend multiple positions will enhance our team on both ends of the court. Malachi and Precious are well-rounded players that will complement the hardworking and talented nature of our group. OG, Malachi, and Precious are perfect additions to the type of team and culture we are building in New York.”
The Raptors also announced the deal in a press release of their own.
“We’re excited about welcoming Immanuel and RJ to our team,” Raptors president Masai Ujiri said. “Immanuel is a young, talented playmaker who we believe will provide a spark on both ends of the court. RJ is a versatile wing who is, of course, well-known in his hometown, and seeing him in a Raptors uniform will be a special moment for our fans and for all Canadians.”
11:27am: The Raptors are finalizing a trade that will send OG Anunoby to the Knicks in exchange for a package consisting of RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley and a 2024 second-round pick, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski (Twitter link).
Forward Precious Achiuwa and guard Malachi Flynn are also headed to New York along with Anunoby in the deal, according to Wojnarowski and Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter links).
The 2024 pick the Raptors are acquiring originally belonged to the Pistons, Wojnarowski tweets, so it currently projects to be atop the second round.
The deal will see the Knicks land one of the most coveted two-way players in the league in Anunoby, who has been viewed as a prime trade candidate for much of 2023. New York has been pursuing him for “a significant period of time,” according to Wojnarowski (Twitter link), having reportedly offered multiple first-rounders for him at last season’s deadline.
The Knicks will now get a head-start on trying to retain Anunoby ahead of his potential 2024 free agency. The 26-year-old has a player option next season worth $19.9MM, which he’s expected to decline to secure a more lucrative contract.
As Bobby Marks of ESPN tweets, Anunoby will technically be extension-eligible after being acquired by the Knicks, but for the next six months, he’ll only be permitted to sign for up to two years and $40MM. On June 30, those limits will increase to four years and $117MM.
In all likelihood, whether or not he intends to re-sign with the Knicks, the seventh-year forward will opt to become a free agent, since his elite three-and-D skill set should put him in line for an even more substantial payday than he could get on an extension. Anunoby was named to the NBA’s All-Defensive team last season and has averaged 16.4 points per game with a .381 3PT% since the start of the 2020/21 season.
Moving Barrett and Quickley should help clear up a logjam and clarify the rotation in New York’s backcourt, with wings like Donte DiVincenzo and Quentin Grimes primed to take on larger roles alongside star point guard Jalen Brunson. Flynn likely won’t play regular minutes for his new team, but he’ll provide some depth at guard, while Achiuwa will give the Knicks another option up front with Mitchell Robinson out for the season.
Toronto, meanwhile, won’t get a first-round pick back for Anunoby but will instead bring in Quickley, who finished second in Sixth Man of the Year voting last year, and Barrett, a Canadian and former No. 3 overall pick. Quickley will be a restricted free agent in 2024, while Barrett is under contract through 2026/27.
Barrett loved New York and enjoyed playing for the Knicks, but if he was going to be dealt, he viewed his hometown of Toronto as a great option, sources tell Ian Begley of SNY.tv (Twitter link). The 23-year-old played for the Canadian national team in the FIBA World Cup this past summer.
Both Barrett and Quickley had seen their playing time with the Knicks dip a little in the first half of this season. Barrett averaged 18.2 points per game on .423/.331/.831 shooting in 26 starts (29.5 MPG), while Quickley posted a career-best 15.0 PPG on .454/.395/.872 shooting in 30 appearances off the bench (24.0 MPG).
The lack of first-round draft capital heading to Toronto indicates the Raptors are content with retooling, rather than outright rebuilding — that aligns with a report earlier this week, which indicated that the organization has “no appetite for a reset, teardown, or rebuild.”
It remains to be seen what Toronto does with Pascal Siakam, whose name has also come up in trade rumors in recent weeks and who is also a candidate for an extension. Depending on their plans for Siakam, the Raptors could generate a significant chunk of cap room in the 2024 offseason while still being able to re-sign Quickley, notes Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype (via Twitter).
In the shorter term, the move will open up a spot on Toronto’s roster and will keep team salary slightly below the luxury tax due to the inclusions of Achiuwa and Flynn, both of whom will be restricted free agents in 2024.
The Knicks will have to waive someone to complete the deal. According to Charania (via Twitter), that roster casualty will be DaQuan Jeffries, who was on a non-guaranteed contract and had seen limited action in just 10 games for the team this season.
Finally, it’s worth noting that the two Atlantic rivals came together to make this deal despite being engaged in a bitter legal feud off the court.
The Knicks filed a lawsuit against the Raptors in August, alleging that former employee Ikechukwu Azotam illegally took confidential files with him when he was hired by Toronto. The two teams have gone back and forth in court filings in the months since then, but it seems their front offices had no problem working with one another.
Luke Adams contributed to this story.
Well, this tells me so much as to where the team is heading. Need to absorb this one…
This deal makes me think ‘what if…’
…the Knicks drafted Haliburton rather than Topin. Never traded Duran to dump Burks contract. Never resigned Burks. Fired Thibs two years ago….
Come back to reality lol ……
All part of rebuild that you never were part off. Like most posters here. Or never understood is more clearer.
Al, you wanted to trade for Spencer Dinwiddie. Stop acting like you’re an expert.
I wanted that when …. When he was leaving Nets. Please. I have forgotten more ball than you will ever know. You called Dinwiddie washed .. so go away
Never called Dinwiddie washed. I said he’s a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn’t make any team he’s playing for better. Which was true then and is true now. And you wanted him. You also wanted a washed Westbrook.
You might want to go back and re-learn a bunch of that stuff that you’ve allegedly forgotten because you are frequently clueless while ripping anyone who disagrees with you as stupid.
You don’t really want me lol.
You want to argue like men. I can do that.
Cause you don’t have a clue about me. I look out for my team. I know who and what and where they are all the time. Using Dinwiddie is BS. Knicks were searching for a PG. Dinwiddie as a Net has some of best stat in MSG. Not bothered by NY at all. So you got no clue. I’m only one on this board who defended Dinwiddie. And look at him now. So please lol.
I also wanted Haliburton a yr before the draft…….. you talk about one move. I’m talking about a rebuild. I know I don’t run the Knicks. I know who does. But I know I can hang with any of them.
Only the clueless like you use the word stupid. I have always talked about our needs. And players we can get. Not fantasy. I deal in reality. Yes half the clowns here really got nothing to say. All noise like you got now.
Like Westbrook. I said Id take him. Cause we didn’t have a PG. NY would love a high flyer. And that was before Thibs got here. All I say is relevant to the actions of then and now. We can’t get it all right. But the function and the knowledge for the team is always there. That’s the difference between me and you. I’m a real Knick fan. What are you ????
I’m still waiting for you to explain the trade
You have forgotten more ball than you will ever know, you are like a reverse black hole spitting ball knowledge to is mortals.
@al – put the pipe down and give it a rest. Always wanted Haliburton to be drafted, preferred to keep Duran in case Robinson didn’t work out. You’re out there pushing D-Roz at 34 and Dinwiddie as rct pointed out.
Amateur.
You still around lol. Haven’t you learned yet. In case ???? Those are your words.
I’d take Duren today instead of pick we got. I follow this team. I’m about his team. I may be wrong about a player. Like I was about Quickley. But I’m never wrong about what I want. And that’s to be better as part of the process we are in. And right now it’s the end of the rebuild coming.
Something you thrashed and are clueless about. All you wannabeees here. Understand, I know this team this city better than most and as well as anyone. I only want the best for Knicks.
You’re the guy who doesn’t know how to argue. You rather make comments and play like you know something. Go back to espn lol. I think they got a take on this trade you can use.
KnickerbockerAl has forgotten more about balls than any of you have ever learned. He knows all there is to know about balls.
Yeah ????? Only the ones you don’t have. Must be hard to get satisfied LOL.
Makes me think what if too….just for different reasons……..like what if the Knicks didn’t pull their heads out their asses 5 years ago….they wouldn’t be in a position to take a shot today
Kudos to the org, they are on the UP, and basketballs better with meaningful games (outside the NIT j/k!) played at MSG
Be grateful my friend
Why would you care about history. When we got no say in it. Only real Knick fans know where we are today.
OG is a good player but he isnt much better than Barrett smh Knicks gave up wayyy too much
What an awful trade for the Knicks. Considering OG and RJ are roughly the same while RJ is younger and IMO more talented.
NO D for RJ though. I don’t like the trade as to whether it makes them “better”. The Raptors got players for a retool instead of reset. Curious trade either way
OG is a better defender, especially on the perimeter, though RJ has a higher ceiling on the offensive side. The IQ AND draft considerations is what concerns me the most.
To get something you gotta give up something. Quickley will never be part of team with Jalen here. What don’t you get here. Draft compensation????
Knicks got a 2nd rd pick.
I’m probably the biggest RJ supporter on this board. But I understand this trade. RJ is better off away from NY.
Y’all tripping O.G. Anunoby is a top 10 defensive player in the NBA. Under Tom Thibodeau he can easily be a top 5 defensive player because he can easily guard four different positions. He’s extremely versatile!!! Then he’s a a very solid three point shooter.
He’s definitely an upgrade over R.J. Barrett. Immanuel Quickley is very good but they got enough depth to where they can replace him.
what do you mean enough depth @champ? they have no playable backup point guard
McBride and Flynn look them up
Lol that you believe Flynn is anything
McBride is very underrated.
Yes …
RJ is better offensively now. OG is better defensively now. OG has potential to be 2way star. RJ has potential to be major star. This is about team chemistry. Trade helps both teams. You need to look up Quickley stats as a starter. And Achiuwa is coming home. He’s a perfect backup to Randle. Both teams got better.
Agree completely and og walking in free agency only adds to the fact the knickerbocker got fleeced.
Yeah I’m sure he walks away from NY fame and winning chips in NY. You need to google Dolan. $$$$ is last thing he looks at.
Hmmm…when I google Dolan I see that he is a meddling owner that doesn’t know much about basketball and has never won anything.
And spends more of it than three owners combined.
No Knick fan cares about Dolan.
What’s your point? Jerry Jones spends money and meddles and hasn’t won crap in 30 years. Dolan spends because he has to in order to keep the money coming in (he owns MSG and concessions). He’s also a bad team owner, as witnessed by his record.
Yeah concessions that must be it…..
Get a brain and learn the game. Get knowledge so you can articulate a thought. It’s been yrs now. That you have tried to thrash everything Knicks did. I’m sure most of it just to go against me. If you need to be explained about Dolan. Considering I must have done it 10 times over the yrs. You are only showing how uninformed you are about the things you say. I pity the people in your life. Integrity is the definition of a true voice. All you got is noise ……
Good deal both ways. This trade should benefit both sides
Agree
Like this one from the Raps perspective.
Raptors got their PG and a Canadian that may want to stay. They certainly did well.
I think the Raps won this one. I think both Quickley and RJ have higher ceilings than OG, and that 2nd is more valuable than the Detroit and Washington protected 1sts so it’s a high value pick.
I do think Knicks may be taking a bit of a risk, OG is a better fit with Randle, and will 100% elevate their D. But unless they have a contract drafted and agreed to be signed they traded their most valuable players not named Brunson for a rental. The right player to go for but maybe an overpay, and a risk either way.
I don’t like this move right now. I think the Knicks are going to make another move. Maybe because the defense and shooting is much better with OG. Grade is TBD
I love that these teams are suing each other but still making trades with each other.
Great deal for my Raps!
Good point. I wonder if withdrawing the suit is part of the deal.
It’s hilarious. What an awkward trade call that must have been.
Oh yeah that’s the real story. Please give us more astute wisdom.
So Lil D ….. this is what made you post. The lawsuit. Again thank you for letting us know where you stand on the NBA.
I feel like this is an underrated storyline
Love RJ coming back home. NYK getting Precious is HUGE. He’s gonna be a great addition for them, esp with his versatility & MRobinson’s injury… link to m.youtube.com
RJ & Scottie are gonna be an elite duo sooner than later. Almost mirror images of each other, temperament & all. If Gradey can mature into something resembling prime Korver they may have the foundation of another title caliber squad. IQ being yet another Philly guard (AWilliams, Lowry) to lift the Raps into contention is wild too… link to m.youtube.com
The BX …. definitely knows where he is going
I guess the Knicks did not want to use Quickley for nothing. RJ is Canadian too. Don’t sleep on Precious.
He was six man of the yr runner up last yr. Do you actually watch the NBA.
Pretty confident he meant “lose” not “use”
Well that makes a difference….
It sure sure does haha I could be wrong, but it makes more sense based on his analysis of the deal
Horrible deal for the Knicks, OG is better than RJ, but not at the price of Quickly too. Imo Quickly is best player in this deal.
They are definitely going to miss his playmaking because Brunson, Randle, and DDV/Hart ain’t gonna cut it. Need to make at least one more deal.
And I do think there’s a real shot Quickley proves himself to be the best player in this deal with more minutes and responsibility. But that’s what happens when you have a stubborn head coach and a front office which overloaded on assets in overlapping positions and had to make a deal to help clear that logjam.
Only silver lining is that IQ is a FA at season’s end. Otherwise I don’t understand this move at all. Shockingly bad trade for the Knicks. Better be something else in the works because this makes them a worse team.
Restricted, though.
Explain to us how we are worse.
Or to me
rct
December 30, 2023
“Only silver lining is that IQ is a FA at season’s end. Otherwise I don’t understand this move at all. Shockingly bad trade for the Knicks. Better be something else in the works because this makes them a worse team.”
This guy is suppose to know ball. He’s part of HR. He uses the phrase “Shockingly Bad Trade”.
Says “this makes them a worse team”
Well I’m still waiting for an explanation why. If you know this game. Then you can talk game. You got criticism but no theory. That’s called hate. Do you ever watch the Knicks ???? espn and NBA app highlights don’t tell you who the Knicks are.
Soooooooooo still waiting
link to youtu.be
I’m still waiting for an explanation! !!!!!!
Still waiting !!!!!!!!!
Still waiting ……. The knowledge here is endless. Like never been seen before.
Raps definitely getting some scoring in Quickley but also with RJ. OG is inconsistent in scoring but a great defender. To sum it up Knicks gave away a bit too much.
Flynn a young backup PG. They can play or use in another trade.
Achiuwa a talented PF who can play with Randle. Still young with upside.
2nd rd pick they add to their abundance of picks for another trade.
A starting SF. Who plays both ways. Who Thibs will make a better player. OG makes this better chemistry team. It’s just a better fit.
Imo a good trade for both teams.
The Knicks didn’t get a pick in this deal. No idea why you keep mentioning that.
Can you search. Or do I have to explain it to you.
link to google.com
If you’re expecting more than garbage time minutes from Flynn, you’re going to be disappointed.
He had multiple opportunities to get his feet wet in Toronto and he’s shown that he’s not an NBA player.
Flip OG to the Hawks for Murray!!!
Nah we’re good on that. OG bouta be a free agent & we just signed DJ to a long term, team friendly deal.
Not gonna flip him going to use those 1st rounders for Murray ….Brunson, Murray, OG, Randle, Hartenstein starting 5….Div, Hart, Grimes, Precious off the bench
Hawks aren’t good on anything.
You may be onto something.
As much as I love OG, the Knicks are gonna regret losing IQ IMO, not that they seemed intent on keeping him anyway given how apart they had been in extension talks. I can only assume the Raptors intend to match any offer he receives in FA.
With that said, it’s hard to argue too much against getting OG without having to give up a first round pick. And RJ, while the more naturally talented of the two players, has been more of a stats guy who has yet to put it all together to this point. A good fit for a rebuilding club looking to bet on its development system.
The most surprising thing in all of this is seeing a trade of this magnitude go down before the new year. A lot earlier than I expected.
Just remembered OG is going to be a free agent at the end of the year, which means the Knicks will probably overpay to keep him while having given up four years of RJ and Quickley’s RFA. That’s, uhh, quite the swing, especially with Mitchell Robinson potentially out for the year.
OG is going to get max money, no question about it. NYK knew that
You make a lot of sense. A lot of these guys on here don’t even make sense. I’m a Duke fan so you know I’m rooting for R.J. Barrett but he’s highly inconsistent on both ends of the floor and more talent than his actual production. Immanuel Quickley can become the starting Point Guard over there and his career jump off next level.
O.G. Anunoby under Tom Thibodeau going to give him another Luol Deng type of guy. He’s going to be the third option behind Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle. Then he balances the floor again because he’s right handed.
Wouldn’t have given up Precious. But I get it. OG is mid vs the better teams. RJ is at least a a Canadian so yea. Maybe raps extend Siakam or trade him to the kings or hawks.
I don’t get it from a Knicks perspective. But what else is new?
New front office same stupid incompetence, promised the fans all nba player with these assets and they use them for a guy whose not even a star and a upcoming FA they really haven’t learned from the Melo deal
Good trade for both teams if Knicks resign OG. Does hurt them offensively but this trade definitely increases their defense which favors Thibs.
aren’t the Knicks sueing Toronto for stealing plays or important paperwork?
This doesn’t make sense, but a smart trade for the Knicks
How is this good for the Knicks?
RJ for OG ok. Add IQ, why? He’s a spark for the 2nd unit. Does this make McBride the new IQ? This is a hard trade to think about.
Wow, wasn’t expecting that so soon. Well, the Knicks roster certainly has more balance now. We got a real 3 with length and a big to help fill the Mitch void. The too many guards issue is also taken care of. I like RJ but he’s maddeningly inconsistent, has a big contract and probably needed to go somewhere else where he fit better. Nice of the Knicks in a way to send him “home” too.
Definitely hard to swallow losing Quickley. Players with that kind of energy, effort, defense and shooting are hard to find. And just a very positive, likeable dude. But they couldn’t extend him before the season, so there was a decent chance they were gonna lose him for nothing.
Hopefully this is part 1 of a bigger plan but maybe it was just about unloading RJ and his contract, and trading one soon-to-be FA for a similarly valuable soon to be FA who seems to fit our roster perfectly
Quickley is going to be a RFA, so if they wanted to keep him they probably could’ve (and I’m not sure why they wouldn’t have). But between low-balling on the extensions and not giving enough minutes, it just seems like for whatever reason the Knicks weren’t that into him. And, as you said, from a roster construction perspective getting OG made a lot of sense.
I think a Brunson-Quickley backcourt was effective at times but is just too small for long-term success. So do you pay IQ, when you’re already paying Randle, RJ, Brunson, Mitch, etc. Do you pay IQ more than what JR and JB make? Do you pay IQ 30 mil to come off the bench and play 25 mins? To me it’s the type of re-signing you make when it’s one of the pieces of a true title contender, not a team still trying to get to that point.
The bigger mistake was re-signing RJ, a move I didn’t really like at the time but understood, given age/talent.
In a world where they kept and extended Quickley, I think the solution would’ve been to trade one of their other guards and guarantee him a starting spot. But you’re right that the size issue was going to be a problem. And the fit is so good with OG that losing a bit of pure value in a deal like this is forgivable.
That being said, I think this trade is going to be looked back on unfavorably for the Knicks simply because Quickley should shine in a starting role and RJ may take another step with the Raptors development group. I’m not saying it SHOULD be viewed that way given the constraints of the current reality, just that I have a feeling the masses will see things that way in hindsight while losing sight of the original context.
Masai for the win again.
Toronto couldn’t even get a FRP for OG. That franchise is so miserable lmfao
One of the most succesfully run franchises the last decade. What are you on about?
OG is overrated. Third best player on a 12-19 team. Raptors did great to get RJ and a pick, but to also get IQ is fantastic for them.
I agree on the “OG is overrated” comment. Probably a better fit for Thibs, though. I hate when a team has to conform to a coach and his system, but that seems to be the case. There’s gotta be another deal before the deadline to make sense of this one.
For giggles, if we were able to package OG, Grimes and a couple of picks for Bridges on the Nets, I wouldn’t be opposed.
Padam, I agree completely. They’re getting guys for Thibs, when it is the coach who should be adjusting to the personnel he has and not the other way around.
That said, OG is a very good player, just overrated to me. People have been saying he’s worth multiple 1sts but I don’t think he’s worth that much. Hopefully it works out for the Knicks but I would not have made this move.
He will likely excel in Thibs’ system, though. So even if you think he’s overrated at this point, his value is likely to increase.
To use a team record. To show a players value and talent. Only speaks of you …
Not the player.
Only right thing you’ve said on this board. Is Raptors were asking too much for him. Well they came to their senses. This trade is all about fit. I don’t think you understand that.
Even i raised an eyebrow when i didn’t see a FRP. Oh well.. Raptors made the ECF for years and the finals in the last 5 years though…
Including winning in that trip to the Finals. Minor detail there.
Now all those 1st round picks going to Atlanta for Murray….Watch
Sure, if they want to lose OG for nothing in the summer since he’s been pretty explicit about wanting a bigger role on offense and that ain’t happening with Brunson/Murray/Randle on the roster.
Murray makes us a top dog. No more than three picks. Unfortunately I don’t see Hawks ever trading him to Knicks
Knicks looking mighty promising to make it to the eastern finals.
I think the only thing rj had going for him is that he was the third left handed player in the starting 5, alongside Brunson and randle – which created a unique dynamic for the knicks. Other than that, I just didn’t see any consistency of him other than a poor demeanor.
Knicks had to send IQ to make this happen, and he will now get more chances to impact the outcome of games and developing behind Schroeter, than he had behind Brunson.
Knicks need to get a tj McConnell effort level out of Flynn for the 10 minutes Brunson isn’t ballhandling, and they will benefit tremendously by the upgrade to their SF position.
A healthy Mitchell Robinson, randle, og, hart, Brunson can become the next Miami heat type of a nightmare for the bucks and Celtics, with how tough Brunson’s competitive mentality has been for the pst few years now. 76ers will never win a championship with embiich but they should also be bummed out by this trade!
Mighty promising to make it the finals *in the upcoming years* I should say.. I didn’t realize Mitchell Robinson was done for the entire season at first!
So now the raptors get a lot younger. They’re headed for a rebuild 100% now. I didn’t believe that Anunoby wasn’t gonna be traded, I just figured it would happen later on. The Knicks gave up a lot for a player that’s a defensive specialist, but they’re probably gonna be amazing for rn. The raptors gave up a lot too, but they’re not tryna be good rn so it makes sense. Quickley may start at the 2 immediately, and I think he’s gonna be a big piece for raps moving forward. GTJ, Siakam, poeltl all are now in danger of getting moved by the deadline, especially pascal.
Knicks:
PG Brunson/McBride
SG DiVincenzo/Hart
SF Anunoby/Grimes
PF Randle/Achiuwa
C Hartenstein/Sims
Raptors
PG Schroder
SG Quickley/GtJ
SF Barrett/Idk
PF Siakam/Thad
C Poeltl/Koloko
The Raptors aren’t playing Barnes after this trade? I think the starters will be more like this.
PG Barnes
SG Quickley
SF Barrett
PF Siakim
C Poetl
Crap firgot about Barnes
Barnes isn’t a PG. IQ would be at the point with RJ at SG, Barnes at SF.
Barnes has always been the secondary playmaker with the long term plan of making him the PG. Quickley has a great lob pass and is good at hitting shooters on the weak side but he’s not on level Barnes is a playmaker. I highly doubt they plan on starting Dennis Schröder over Quickley. I think they decide now is the time, the training wheels are off. Barnes will get the keys to the offense.
Barnes is not and will never be a PG. Improving his handling and handling pkaymaking at times doesn’t make him a PG. The bucks tried it with Giannis and quickly stopped it
They actually want to try him as PG, there is interest form both player and coach for Barnes to be PG. His ball handling skills are improving.
Great lineup! Also they have Dennis as backup PG. Koloko could develop into a solid backup C.
Small ball lineup with Siakim at the 5, Barnes at 4,Trent at the 2 IQ at 1.
I think the starting lineup is more like
C Poeltl
PF Siakim
SF Barnes
SG Barrett
PG IQ
Barnes at Point Forward, With Barrett, IQ and Trent shooting Ideally Dick being the 4th to this group, and Siakim doing what he currently does.
Retool*
Not a great trade for the Knicks, they gave up more. But they got a guy that fits Thibs better. And they didn’t give up a FRP, kept him out of the Sixers hands too.
Does OG stay tho, that’s the question, if not… yikes. The move doesn’t make them a clear cut favorite for this year. It’s a LT play for sure.
Good deal for TOR. Poor one for the NYK. Even the worst online trade machine will tell you those, and that’s before taking into account the culture hit the NYK take with the deal. I did figure that IQ and Barrett were the NYK trade chips among the players, and they might trade them together. But I was expecting them to get more than this.
On the positive side, Anunoby fits us, when he plays, just not a needle mover. PA is more than welcome too, a separate deal for him for the DET SRP wouldn’t have bothered me. The trade balances the roster some. Not much, but its all I’m willing to reach for at this point.
What’s your take on the sign-ability here w Og? Do you think they at least got some strong mutual interest here verified pre deal with maybe even some rough numbers exchanged?.
I love these player for player 90’s baseball trades that have all but disappeared everywhere , like the idea of the 2-1 if NYK has a strong head start on a long term deal with {not} such a crooked number.
Rose family represents OG. I’m thinking they have insight on his next move. They Knew Brunson was coming. Don’t see OG leaving this opportunity. Bringing Knicks back to Finals. Plenty of $ for all who do that. Especially after they are retired.
I think they almost “have” to have a good inkling
Id set a baseline of 4/120 and not surprised if its higher . Anything lower or par would have to be considered team friendly in todays environment
Try 4 by 180 as a baseline
Congrats to Quickley for escaping Thibs and Dolan.
Love OG but without Quickley to save thibs from himself I’m not encouraged or even terribly interested.
Yeah Quickley is the savior. God help us now.
In the extreme short term this trade certainly bodes well for the Pistons ending their losing streak. They get Toronto in Detroit with two brand new starters who haven’t had a chance to learn the system or the they get the Raptors down two starters.
That’s your big comment??? You hate Toronto that much, you actually think the pistons gonna beat a more well balanced raptors???
Peoltl, Siakim, Barnes, RJ, Quickley.
That’s a nice team. Plenty of upside.
Did the Knicks also agree to drop their lawsuit in the deal?
I mean it’s kind of funny to see these 2 hook up on a trade.
Great trade for the Raptors. Idk how they keep managing to rob teams like this.
If it was celtics or lakers you would get wet though right?
Also, GREAT TRADE for the PISTONS! They get a shorthanded Raps team tonight!
Don’t forget to bet $100,000 & keep that same energy.
Lot of win-now Knicks fans and haters all over this one, I see. Let’s be real people.
RJ’s contract was bad and they needed to get off of it to construct a more logical roster. He just didn’t improve enough, and didn’t fit with Brunson and Randle. Enough time to see that now. The Raps may be one of the only teams willing to roll the dice on RJ, because they can bring him home and into a different situation.
Quickley has a lot of value which was also limited by his upcoming contract demands. We’re gonna pay yet another guard 30 mil a year, when we have other bigger needs, no. He was the asset needed to unload RJ and get some good players in return too, who just so happen to fit the roster much better.
Of course, long-term this trade will be much more ok if OG fits well and re-signs. For today, we have to accept that IQ was the cost of doing business. I don’t like it either, but it just kind of felt like something had to be done. Nice to have a solid top 10-ish team but we weren’t gonna get deep in playoffs as constructed. Also worth noting we still have all the draft pick assets to do more later.
I’ve tired of Barrett’s shot and his lack of fit with Brunson and Randle, BUT, sorry, there is simply NO view (none) in this league that RJ was a bad contract. More would say team friendly, but in any event due to his pedigree, age and top line stats, he’d have significant positive value for some time.
IQ’s supposed contract demands don’t lessen his value at all. He’s a RFA, so he’ll be paid market, no more, no less.
The free agent risk in this deal is on the NYK. Anunoby will be a UFA (a real free agent), in a UFA market starved of star power. It’s not a matter of if he’ll be overpaid, only by how much. So, Anunoby being resigned for a sane salary is good, and maybe we get our end of the deal longer term, but if he wants max then it’s a lose-lose decision for us. Still a good deal?
Then I should rephrase a bit. I didn’t mean that RJ’s contract is bad compared to what he is. My opinion is more that it was a bad fit for the Knicks to have this contract, on a team with so many guards, two other iso-heavy players and other bigger needs. Better to spend that money on a player that fits better.
IQ will be overpaid and so will OG. If it makes the Knicks better, I rather overpay the guy that fits the roster. Agreed we have taken on the bigger risk, but what’s a trade without risk?
That being said… I think anyone who thinks RJ Barrett had a lot of positive of trade value or that his contract is “team-friendly” is kidding themself, just looking at his scoring output and nothing else. I think he still has potential to level up and maybe Toronto will be the right situation. Will always root for RJ..
I pretty much agree on Barrett, particularly on the fit. But it’s not true that IQ will be overpaid. The RFA market isn’t like that. OG will be overpaid, because the UFA market is like that, and getting worse that way.
But YEAH, this deal has a chance to be a good deal for NYK if, (1) OG doesn’t continue to miss 20 games a year, and (2) the NYK sign him for something only partially insane (Jeremi Grant range), not max or the like. The latter would eliminate the flexibility to deal for a true star.
It’s a good trade for both teams. Based solely on fit and team chemistry. RJ still has a chance to be a star imo. So it’s worth it to Raptors. He’s from there. Quickley also can develop as a PG. In the end Raptors could get better end of deal. Thibs should make OG a better player. So that will help keep him in NY. Achiuwa is nice man. From the BX. He could be the steal here.
“RJ’s contract was bad”
You’re wrong right out of the gate on this one. RJ’s contract is, at worst, a fair deal. Stars are paid $45+ million in this league. RJ is getting roughly half of that. It’s market value.
I like this deal for both teams. OG is a better fit for this current Knicks roster than RJ. It’s not easy finding RJ enough shots with two primary ball handlers on the court, with one (Randle) also liking to play Iso. OG contributes much more than RJ does in a complimentary role. Precious is a nice bench piece, and keeping all but one of their draft assets still gives them the capital to pull off another deal.
Raps needed a drive to the bucket scorer, and RJ is perfect for that. I’m a Knicks fan, and I like IQ, but the Raps definitely needed him more than the Knicks did. He’s Lou Will version 2023, and the Raps desperately needed a boost off the bench.
Empty trade makes no difference for both teams,but makes more room in a trade market for other teams getting rid of Anunoby name.Now watch top teams getting good players for pennies and making them even more stronger
Why are you here …..
I promise I will never say anything bad about Masai ever again . If I do please ban me from this site… This trade is a huge potential win for the Raptors… The upside for Quickly is unbelievable and just the PG the Raptors need… Barrett will help off the bench… You should read how upset Knicks fans are in the New York Post with this deal…
No one cares about NY Post….. it’s a rag.
And RJ off the bench only explains you. Get help and read. Info is out there.
Have seen RJ grow as a player. Never backed down from anything. He definitely can be the best he can be (mamba mentality). Will always root for him.
Never saw Quickley becoming a real PG. He proved me wrong. Still has upside. He can be a top PG. That’s how much he’s progressed. (Look up his stats as a starter).Couldn’t happen in NY with Brunson here.
Raptors finally came off their high horse for OG and made a real deal. RJ is a star in Canada already. Quickley will be better than JVV. Raptors made a smart move here.
Thibs has always wanted OG. He’s a better fit with Randle and Brunson. It’s that simple. And this is their team now. Thibs is all about 2way players. It’s called Team Basketball. Most of you here don’t get it’s a 2way sport. To win Big in NBA you have to make stops. Always liked RJ better than OG. But I can see the fit here. And Thibs can make OG a better player. Achiuwa grew up in the Bronx. He knows where he is going and what we expect. I liked him in the draft. He still has big upside imo. Thibs will do wonders for him. He’s a great backup to Randle. And unlike Obi1 he can play with Randle. He’s a solid addition. Also like Flynn he’s got toughness and is a true PG.
This trade makes both teams better. It’s up to the coaching to make sure of that now. Knicks are better. But it’s still their depth (with Mitch) that makes them a team to take seriously. I still would love to see DeM at SG. SG is still the position to add that star.
I’m good with this trade. Knicks are a better team. Good teams can always overachieve. I just hope there’s still another trade coming.
Wishing RJ and Quickley the best …
Anunoby is no difference maker for NY,this team is doomed with Thib,but RJ and Barnes might be a good duo for Raps
Look up Team chemistry… we are better. Doesn’t mean we are winning a chip. Relax
It’s all about Anunoby not missing games (he averages over 20 a year in his career), finally advancing his offensive skills to be that 2 way player that actually scores points, and then being resigned at a sane price.
FYI, Achiuwa didn’t grow up in the Bronx. His family moved there from Nigeria before he entered High School, but he didn’t play high school ball in the Bronx. That would be in LI, NJ and FL. Hopefully, you still like him.
I’m not going to say I know OGs game. Have not seen him enough for me. But I know Thibs loves 2way guys. And OG has potential to be a big 2way guy. To me he’s a better fit than RJ. And I’m a big RJ guy only 23yrs old. It’s incredible to me how posters here can judge a 23 yr old ball player. Going home is going to work for RJ.
OG is definitely a better fit than RJ. RJ’s 3 pt shooting the last month has really driven that home. We’re better today with that swap. It gets even better if OG can take the “Bridges level” jump from 3 & D to something more.
But, it has to be pointed out that we traded two 23 year old players that we drafted, that are already a starter and a starter-minute 6th man on winning team, and that are still ascending as players. Their NBA careers are ahead of them. So, we didn’t steal anything regardless.
Fair trade imo. But Achiuwa could be the steal.
I know you like Quickley DXC. But he needs to play. Not in NY with Jalen here.
Wonder if the G.M of maple leafs/ blue jays are seeing this. Ujari knows this group was not going to win. Makes changes do it well Players still have value. He is like A.A not afraid to make a move unlike lame Ross Atkins.
OG is a tenacious defender and will win the Knicks games in the playoffs IF he stays healthy. He never stays healthy. Raps definitely won this trade.
Raps get 2 good players on market value contracts (if Quickley gets $M25) + pick
NY get one good player on an UFA contract …
so how it is a good move for NY now ? They save money from Quickley extension and picks for a bigger move or just for Brunson max extension ?
Yeah so Achiuwa is nothing. Thanks for the insight.
This trade has “Great fit” written on both sides…
Value might be questionable for fans of each team, but the cohesive fit of both teams are better…
Who’s getting cut so the trade can work?
DaQuan Jeffries — it’s mentioned later in the story.
Thanks Luke! Pretty sure I just can’t read lmao
Best way I can sum this up from the Knicks perspective is “I would rather have traded picks than RJ Barrett, but this is fine. OG is a great fit.”
Still don’t think this makes them contenders, but it’s a good, positive move. OG further improves the defense and gives them more consistent spacing, both of which they could really use. Still think they’re a move away, currently. Need a true 2nd option in the playoffs to pair with Brunson, as Randle is always worse in the postseason, and OG isn’t a shot creator of any kind. Very solid off-ball player, but you have to run plays for him or hit him on the catch. But having a guy he can consistently target for 3s is a big plus for Brunson, and should help out the Knicks offense in terms of balance, more than just OG’s individual offensive value.
Achiuwa is a solid player, and gives the Knicks more necessary frontcourt depth. Not a big needle-mover, but good added value. Flynn is just kinda there, though. Average backup PG. I’d rather see what they have in McBride. Even odds on one of the two being cut. Ah, no it’s Jeffries. Meh.
For the Raptors, provided they move Siakam, this is a very good move. Barrett can be clunky occasionally on offense, but he’s a decent self-creator who can also defend well outside his weight class. Plus, hometown kid. Might stick around, and he’d probably prefer the expanded offensive role he’s likely to get in Toronto. And IQ is a true starting-caliber PG whose 3pt creation and defense compliments Barnes really well. Siakam and Barnes still overlap too much, but this is a very solid trade for the Raptors.
This trade is all about fit. OG is a guy Thibs can help reach another level. I’m sure that’s why he wants him. And Achiuwa is a better fit than Obi. I really liked him in draft. With Mitch this team is better. And still getting better. That’s what I want to see.
To win a chip it’s going to take getting another SG. But this team can give Celtics, Bucks trouble. I think we are solid at moving into top 4 now.
To me, the way our D has dropped without Mitch. Is what made this trade go down. With Mitch we could be a top D team.
Yep yep. I like this Knicks team better now, I just feel like Barrett *and* Quickley was a bit high of a price to pay in terms of players.
You have to add Achiuwa. He handles the backup PF. Flynn got game. He will battle McBride. And 2nd rd pick. Love Achiuwa as backup. I see it fair. We still got one more move. So we got more assets now. You know to win it’s about team chemistry. Don’t matter how great players are.
It’s fair, definitely. I’d just rather have given up Fournier and picks than Barrett, who I think would have better value in a possible star trade. Like Anunoby and his value, but he’s a complimentary piece. A top-tier one, but still. Achiuwa is a good backup and stuff, but he’s not likely to bring intense upside.
Can’t get OG without giving up something.
Still would rather have given up like three firsts. The Knicks have draft capital coming out their ears. They’ve done a good job with late firsts, but you’re not likely to get a star out of that, certainly not an immediate one. Barrett’s a more stable base player for a trade, with his contract and upside. I like OG a lot, but he’s not the answer to create a true contender, not for the Knicks. They still need another move, and not having Barrett to build an offer around complicates that, imo. Robinson is going to miss the rest of the year, so his trade value is (for the moment) diminished. Hart is a valuable commodity, but his ceiling isn’t high enough to make him particularly enticing as the centerpiece for a trade. Grimes and DDV both have their warts too, solid as they are, and the former is on a smaller deal too.
I like the move, I just feel like giving up Barrett here complicates any future additions unnecessarily.
I believe it’s a good trade for both OG is more efficient shooter than RJ and a better defender and can play off the ball which fits playing with Randal and Brunson. RJ needs the ball in his hand and hopefully the raptors will give him that freedom. Quickly is a loss for the Knicks but I understand not wanting to pay him since Brunson is better and I don’t believe they can play long together .
Poeltl, Siakam, Barnes, RJ, Quickley
That’s a nice starting 5. Still has upside and big potential. RJ away from NYC. Might just become the star we thought he would be 23 yrs old.
This trade was all about better fit. For both teams. Plus for Raptors RJ helps with visibility. He’s good for Canadian basketball.
Imo the Raptors get a physical big to backup another D guy. Gradey is still developing. The guy could one day be best shooter around. Now he will get those looks. Don’t sleep on Raptors. They are better today. And with right moves can be a top team. Thing they need most now is depth. But their top 7-8 are solid. All about coming together as a group.
Team chemistry should make both teams better imo.
I think they still trade Siakam
Barnes Huerter Davion plus a pick could work well for both teams
Tor would be in pretty good shape on the court and ledger
The deal is fine for NY, it didn’t even take a 1st rounder. All the talk about OG being able to get multiple 1st and they didn’t Tor should be in rebuild mode.
OG is still the 3rd option but his defense is better. Who knows under Thibs maybe he becomes another Jimmy Butler type.
Quickly can now start with Tor, I don’t think NY would have paid him $25-30 million to come off the bench.
This just makes zero sense unless you know for a fact O.G. will resign. This move doesn’t make the Knicks the best team in the east, it doesn’t even put them in the top 3 in the east. This looks like an all in move for a team on the cusp the Knicks are not that team especially without your rim stopper.
The Knicks have additional assets to potentially deal. In no way is this an all-in move.
But yes, one can safely assume the Knicks acquired OG with the intent of offering him whatever’s needed to retain him long-term, possibly a max.
Rose family represents OG.
Really like that Tor is going after (controllable) players not picks with the assets they currently have. Getting a strong young guard (whoes still pre RFA) is a tough get in todays market. Really Really tough
I see Nyks angle here too. The new harsher cap restrictions will lean towards taking the 1 in a 2 for 1 if your sold he’s the best player for you 9/10 times. I just wonder if NYK and OG have exchanged any rough numbers yet on what a future with both would cost, a lot of this trade really hinges on those unknown numbers right now
These trades are fun (player for player). With the bottom feeders having so little to offer this year I think we see more of these “challenge ” trades this year which are so much more interesting than the star for expiring/draft capital dumps we have been conditioned to seeing forever now
Wonderful way to kick off the trade season
NY Knicks don’t have cap issues. They are the team all you killed for throwing away money. During Isiah yrs. And rightfully so. Money is last obstacle for NY. So find another reason to hate.
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Both teams lost tonight after trade.
Anyone expecting serious minutes with performance at a high-level from either Flynn or Precious is out to lunch. A key narrative for the last several seasons in Toronto has been the ineffective bench and guess who were the first guys coming off the bench most of the time?
Flynn isn’t a NBA player. Achiuwa is an end of the bench big.
Anyone expecting serious minutes with performance at a high-level from either Flynn or Precious is out to lunch. A key narrative for the last several seasons in Toronto has been the ineffective bench and guess who were amongst the first guys coming off the bench most of the time?
Flynn isn’t a NBA player. Achiuwa is an end of the bench big.
I don’t like this for either team