The Pistons have emerged as a possible landing spot for Mavericks wing Tim Hardaway Jr., league sources tell Marc Stein (Twitter link).
Stein previously reported that Hardaway would be a prime trade candidate to watch this offseason and that Dallas was more likely than ever to find a taker for the 32-year-old, who is entering the final season of his four-year contract, with his cap hit declining to $16.2MM.
According to Stein, finding a deal involving Hardaway is a “key element” of the Mavs’ plan to re-sign starting small forward Derrick Jones. Dallas only holds Non-Bird rights on Jones and can’t offer him a contract worth more than 20% above the minimum without dipping into its mid-level exception. The club projects to operate over the tax in 2024/25, so trading Hardaway and shedding some salary could open up the full non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($12.9MM) rather than just the taxpayer form of the MLE ($5.2MM).
Meanwhile, new Pistons president of basketball operations Trajan Langdon has spoken openly about his club’s willingness to take on unwanted contracts if they’re attached to more valuable assets. Detroit projects to have a significant chunk of cap space available this summer (potentially $60MM+) and could easily absorb Hardaway’s expiring $16.2MM salary while still having plenty of room left over.
In a subscriber-only article for The Detroit Free Press published prior to Stein’s report, Pistons beat writer Omari Sankofa II suggested that a deal sending Hardaway and a pair of future second-round picks to Detroit might make sense for both sides. The Pistons made a similar move last offseason when they acquired Joe Harris‘ $19.9MM expiring contract along with two second-rounders from Brooklyn.
Detroit had envisioned Harris bringing much-needed shooting to the roster, but the veteran swingman battled injuries and wasn’t productive when he did play. Hardaway would theoretically be a more effective rotation piece for the Pistons. He’s coming off a season in which he averaged 14.4 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 1.8 assists in 26.8 minutes per game across 79 appearances, with a shooting line of .402/.353/.852. Since he played a limited role in the playoffs though, there has been a sense that his days with Dallas may be numbered.
According to Stein (Twitter link), the two teams don’t have the framework of a trade in place yet, but scenarios involving Pistons wing Quentin Grimes have been discussed. Grimes’ cap hit for 2024/25 is just $4.3MM, so a deal that includes no additional players besides him and Hardaway would still create substantial cap savings for the Mavs on top of giving them a potential rotation player.
However, Grimes was the primary piece Detroit got back in the February trade that sent Bojan Bogdanovic and Alec Burks to New York, so the Pistons will presumably be seeking more than a second-round pick or two if they agree to send him out and take on Hardaway’s salary.
Two seconds seems low since there are so few teams with cap space.
Langdon is smart, if they jumped at Dallas’ first offer, the trade would have gone down already. Langdon will get at least a first from Dallas in 2025, especially if Grimes is involved.
You aren’t getting THJ and a first for Grimes. Your homer is showing.
But think of where that first is projected to be? That’s mid- to late twenties. This isn’t unreasonable, but the Pistons might have to take additional some additional salary too (like Powell).
It’s not *that* large of a salary nor that bad of a player.
I can see them squeezing out a first but this is nothing like a team dumping Chris Paul or Poole or Westbrook or whatever. It’s more like dumping Brogdon.
Yes, too low for a SG thats FG% under 40% for his last three years of 150 games played. Need to add that 2023 24th pick too ( SF Olivier M Prosper)
Grimes
for
THJ and…
(a) DAL 2025 1st, or
(b) Josh Green
I do not think Green is going anywhere.
Which of these alumni teams would win this 8 team tournament? Rank a top5 if possible…
Michigan- JPoole/THJ/LeVert/Franz/Mo Bufkin/Jett
Nova- Lowry/Hart/Mikal/Bey/JRE DDV/Whitmore
USC- Collier/KPJ/Derozan/Evan/Vooch JMac/Onyeka
Duke- Tyus/Kyrie/RJ/BI/Bagley Kennard/Filipowski
UK- Cason/Maxey/Book/PJ/NRichards Keldon/JVando
Ignite Hardy/Jalen/Holland/MarJon/JK Scoot/Matas
UConn- Newton/Castle/JHawkins/Clingan/Drummond
OTE- Amen/Rob/Ausar/Sarr/TSmith IJackson/DBarlow
glossary..
THJ – Tim Hardaway Jr
JRE – Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
DDV – Donte DiVincenzo
USC – University of Southern California
KPJ – Kevin Porter Jr
Evan – Evan Mobley
Vooch – Nikola Vucevic
JMac – Jordan McLaughlin
RJ – RJ Barrett
BI – Brandon Ingram
PJ – PJ Washington
JK – Jonathan Kuminga
Rob – Rob Dillingham
TSmith – Tyler Smith
IJackson – link to m.youtube.com
Highly likely
Dallas sending Hardaway $16 million and 2026 lottery protected First to Pistons in exchange for Quentin Grimes $4.3 million
My best idea for Mavs
Simply trade Hardaway’s expiring contract and 3 Seconds to Pistons for nothing
What will it take to send Grimes back to NY? Horrible trade. Grimes, OB1, IQ gone. Younger cheaper players better than paying Randle and OG.
You send #24 pick to Pistons for Grime. Pistons will be as exciting as a fox in a hen house!
Crime is not worth of 38th pick.
Highly likely, nothing you say happens.
Tobias Harris is a better fit that Hardaway Jr. And you can just sign him. Won’t take much either.
The idea is to take on bad contracts and get assets. Detroit realizes their window isn’t anytime soon.
I think they saw Rockets. And want to speed up process. Harris and Knecht is a nice addition. I still like Wiseman. But don’t think Pistons do. He could be moved too. Would love Thibs to work his magic on him.
Thought you were meaning Dallas.
Tobias wouldn’t be bad for them either although he’s not all that defensively and has struggled to adjust to being more of a catch and shoot guy
Detroit needs a hard reset on their roster which means they’ll need some assets going forward
Top bad contracts I’d take if I were Detroit.
Pj Tucker of the hands of Clippers
Gabe Vincent off the hands of the Lakers
Lonzo Ball 1 year off the bulls hands
Brandon Clarke off the Grizzlies
DET has to stop the nonsense and focus on actually building a team. Neither THJ, nor any SRP they get for taking him, is a real part of that. When is the last time a team got a significant draft pick for warehousing a player like THJ on its cap? Langdon is already off to a problematic start. A guy who won’t set timelines is one who’s figuring out things on the fly. Everyone knows they’re not set in stone.
“Langdon is already off to a problematic start…”
Yeah, but this is just a rumor, right?
If a trade is agreed to, and the return is underwhelming, then we can say that.
But the Mavs can trade their 2025 1st after the draft, right? What if that is the return? What if Josh Green is the return?
I was referring to his statement that he had no timeline for a rebuild or in hiring a heading coach. Of course, he isn’t responsible for rumored trades (there are zillions of them) unless and until he makes one. If he gets a FRP or a guy who figures in their future, then it might be worth the effort. But I guess I think it’s very unlikely. I’d be happy to apologize to him if he beats the odds.
Good deal. As a Pistons fan, I hope there will be need for that apology!
He regressed. Let him put up empty stats on a suck team.
Pistons should have hired Atkinson. Don’t know if he wants to coach. But Nate McMillan would be a wise choice.
Trade next yrs #1 pick or 2026. And Ivey, Wiseman for LaVine. Means you add
LaVine, Knecht, Harris this yr. Pistons were one of worst offenses in league. This changes overnight. Bring back Drummond or Plumlee. To backup Duren.