Both sides are angry in the Jimmy Butler standoff, but that doesn’t guarantee that he’ll be traded by the February 6 deadline, according to Barry Jackson and Anthony Chiang of The Miami Herald.
Butler’s comments after Thursday’s game about hoping to “get my joy back from playing basketball” came after a conversation earlier in the day between his representatives and Heat officials, sources tell the authors. Butler was upset because he and his agent believed the team was implying he didn’t play hard in Wednesday’s game against New Orleans, which he finished with nine points and four rebounds in 25 minutes as he returned to the lineup after missing five games with an illness.
Team representatives contend Thursday’s meeting was a “macro level discussion” that addressed concerns over Butler’s behavior as trade rumors have intensified over the last few weeks.
Butler and his agent are claiming that the team threatened to suspend him after the Pelicans game, Jackson tweets, but Heat officials deny that ever happened.
With Butler’s future in Miami almost guaranteed to end following this season, if not earlier, Jackson and Chiang see three potential resolutions. The most immediate is a trade before next month’s deadline, but the authors point out problems with each of Butler’s preferred destinations.
If he’s sent to the Warriors, Miami would almost certainly have to take back Andrew Wiggins‘ contract, paying him $28.2MM and $30.2MM over the next two years. Jackson and Chiang note that the Heat’s projected tax bill of more than $15MM comes in part from giving large salaries to Duncan Robinson and Terry Rozier. Another big contract for a non-All Star would worsen the team’s financial position, with Bam Adebayo on a max deal and Tyler Herro averaging $30MM per season.
The same issue exists with the Suns, as the authors state that Miami has “no interest” in taking on Bradley Beal, who is still owed $160MM. However, they believe the equation could change if Kevin Durant decides to ask out of Phoenix amid a disappointing start to the season.
Butler has also reportedly expressed a desire to join the Rockets or Mavericks, but Jackson and Chiang note that Houston has denied interest in taking on older players, while Dallas doesn’t have enough trade assets to interest Miami.
The Nuggets could emerge as another possibility by offering Michael Porter Jr., the authors state. However, they caution that he has also never been an All-Star and is owed $38.3MM and $40.8MM over the next two seasons. A third team would be necessary to complete most of these deals, but Detroit at $14MM is currently the only option with cap space.
Butler could also be traded this summer, either by picking up his $52.4MM player option or declining it and working with the team on a sign-and-trade. The issue there would be that most teams aren’t in position to absorb Butler’s salary outright and would have to send out contracts in order to accommodate him.
If Miami isn’t interested in what Butler’s suitors have to offer, a third or fourth team might be necessary to take on that unwanted salary. Jackson and Chiang project that up to 11 teams are in position to create cap room during the offseason to help facilitate a trade.
If Miami could trade Butler without taking back salary in return, it would leave the team with a trade exception equal to whatever Butler will be making in the first season of his new contract, along with a non-taxpayer mid-level exception worth $14.1MM and the $5.1MM bi-annual exception. They would have 10 players under contract — possibly 11 if Keshad Johnson exercises his $1.9MM player option — at a total cost of about $141MM, roughly $13.6MM below the projected salary cap.
The final option is for Butler to sign elsewhere in free agency, but the authors consider that less likely because only Brooklyn currently projects to have enough cap room to offer a deal in his desired salary range without the Heat’s help.
As I said, it is a matter of joy
No trade, no joy
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Sillivan has been on this site as long as I can remember. He’s not AI, he’s just a genius who’s musings are beyond the understanding of mere mortals.
You are simply always right, Silli.
Denver or ATL would be great fits, but Jimmy’s attitude and antics over the years has really lowered his value.
Heat don’t want damaged good contracts – Porter jr or Hunter
Nuggets and Hawks have no plan to pay luxury tax next season
It won’t happen
There’s zero chance the Nuggets can avoid the lux tax next season. Jamal Murray’s new deal hasn’t even kicked in yet.
Part-Time Jimmy wants full time money
Jimmy can really jump high with these special shoes.
Jimmy’s getting mad!
JIMMYS DOWN!!
Hands off Jimmy! Don’t touch Jimmy!
Warriors.
As my pappy always said, all you can ask for is an honest week’s pay for an honest day’s work.
How/ Warriors do not have payroll to send out like that?
They do since DS can be aggregated again this year, but it would be a 4 or 5 for 1 so it becomes difficult fast. I think I would rather have Wiggins on his contract moving forward over 3 or 4 years of Jimis late 30s at the numbers he wants.
Mostly its super hard to trade a 50M contract in the NBA, especially in season…
the only way he gets traded is for another bad contract. CBA sure has tied up the hands of NBA teams.
Chapman- that’s the best analysis I’ve seen.
You know the finer points of the CBA better than I, but could Wiggins be spared using the combination of the below 5 tradable contracts? Their total is within $1M of matching Butker’s $48M, which is usually enough to finesse in a 3 team deal. This would leave us at the apron with only 10 players, so we’d probably have to include Podz’ $3.4M to exchange for a couple of $1.5M’s from a 3rd.squad. (Miami reportedly coveted Podz this past summer.). Do you see some way this a variation on this could work?
$13M Schroeder
$8 Looney
$9 GP2
$9 Hield
$9 Anderson
$3.4 Podziemski
Nope still not enough. Sam Vecenie was trying to find a way to keep Wiggins and still do the trade and couldnt. The Warriors are so close to the hard cap they would need it to be extremely close in matching salary.
If you swap Moody for Podz the money outgoing works but he is poison pilled so he counts for 5.5 leaving but 11 incoming so the heat cant take it in. It would be 6 for 1 where each incoming player needs a roster spot, and Moody needs to be rerouted to a team with an exemption or space to take 11 in outright.
The heat need to cut at least 3 and maybe 4 players from the current roster to free spots for the incoming players. Also Hield and Anderson have multiple years left the heat may not want. On top of all that they would probably ask for multiple firsts.
Chapman, thanks I appreciate all the specifics!
Arostole- While legally that works your hard capped at the first apron and you wouldn’t have enough to add back to 3~4 min salaries to make it under
You need Wiggins in it, and at that point I don’t think its worth it
Cap & Crunch, thanks, I know you know this stuff well. I agree that the deal would not be worth it if Wiggins or Kuminga were included (and I assume the Warriors agree, too.)
How confident are you that there are not some arcane loopholes, exceptions, etc that might factor, including those introduced by involveing more teams in the transaction? (As an expert, weren’t you surprised by some of the devices that the Knicks used in Kat trade?)
Jimmy aint going to a potential playoff team, they’re gunna pawn him off to Brooklyn
Jimmy for Simmons and some picks? Wonder if Nets would do that if he’s is just gonna bolt next off-season and he doesn’t fit their long term play anyway. Doubt it.
I’d do it just on the theory that you might be able to turn around & trade him next month. Or next summer, next year. you’re not getting any value out of Simmons anyway.
Jimmy has earned the right to do what he wants.
Stop hating …..
Jimmy’s problem is not very many teams have $48 million to send over in a trade and Miami will be happy with they get for him. Jimmy can become a free agent next years and sign where he wants.
Exactly, Jimmy’s money is too big a problem.
He signed the contract he should fulfill it. Tell your boss you’re unhappy and just stand around in the corner til things change, see how fast it takes for you to get canned
Jimmy is not you or me. When will you grow up. Star athletes only have so much time to win and earn. Why you think Warriors and Lakers are scheming.
Every player has a right to ask for a trade, but signing a contract (and taking the compensation) comes with a commitment to give best effort. No player “earns” the right to do otherwise.
A coach or organization that tolerates openly poor effort from any player will never be a success. Butler knows that, which is why the tactic is so effective in bringing the matter to a boil.
Critizing Butler’s behavior is not “hating”.
“hEat CuLTuRe”…
Right up there with “tRuSt tHe pRoCeSs”
Exactly! Just as dysfunctional and successful
Heat are unrealistic
Let’s be honest, Butler can only go to Teams that are happy to pay luxury tax
If this is the trade
Butler for Wiggins and expiring contracts
Heat need to send a First to Warriors
They aren’t sending out a 1st to get rid of him.
bro is a bot
Please, please, please let this spill into the offseason and have Butler follow Harden’s footsteps of opting in to his contract and demanding a trade. Thats all I want for Christmas, I will give everything else back.
These players are going to start regretting that CBA they signed. Teams aren’t going to be able to accommodate any trade demands from players outside the Top 20 as no teams are willing to take on these huge contracts and pay these guys what they want. When big spenders like the Warriors and Clippers are dodging the second apron, you know that the majority of the players in the league are in trouble. No one wants guys like LaVine, Beal, or Ingram at their salaries. Gone are the days of your best players getting a max deal just because. These guys better get used to it, fast. Adapt and lock in a good extension now like guys like Clarkson and Hart did.
I dont think the Warriors would have qualms about pushing themselves back into it they probably will this offseason if they keep and extend Kuminga. It does limit you in a lot of ways other than just making you expensive though.
Big contracts dont get traded in season most of the time though. The biggest part of why is that in the offseason you get 21 roster spots and several teams can help facilitate a trade. Its easy to match when they can trade a 5 for 1 and the other team can just cut the players they dont want to keep. Right now a 5 for 1 means the team receiving 5 probably has to cut 2-4 players on the current roster to make room for guys who are pure salary filler.
Sacramento maybe?
Whats the matching? Like DeRozan would be half of the money so you still need like 25M more to get it done. Your keeping Sabonis/Fox/Murray I assume so its like DD Huerter/monk and another like 5-7M in salary.
The problem for every team is you get Butler and lose all depth so your playing an 8 man rotation the rest of the season whether you like it or not.
Miami would want 3 1st rounders back since those contracts Huerter and DeRozan are of little value.
Do the Kangs have 3 tradable 1sts? I think ones this year for Huerter with some protections limiting future ones until it conveys and they also did one for DeRozan.
It have to be both 1sts to convince Mia to take back DDR Huerter and Lyles
Jimmy had a great ride in Miami. He cleaned up his image and making so much in endorsements. So all this is baffling, just because Riley didnt give him another extension in th offseason. He’s doing more damage than good for his $$$$. Riley is still winning yhe battle because no one can now blame him if Jimmy is traded. That being said, Jimmy should just suck it up, try to win it all this year in Miami, and he will get everything in the offseson. BIG PICTURE Jimmy! Live a life of legend for rest of your life.
Buddy, no one is “winning” here, on any level…
I think it’s more than the lack of an extension. Jimmy Butler gave the Heat his best years and drug the team further than they should’ve gone on a few occasions.
When asked why the team hadn’t extended Butler Riley could’ve just said that they were waiting until the off season to address the situation. Riley unprompted, unstead aired his grievances with Butler’s availability on a public forum. Those grievances should have been addressed in a closed door meeting with Butler and his representation.
Yeah if he STFU none of this is an issue. Pat Riley pooped the bed hard on this one. I mean maybe not having guys who are 80+ be your top decision makers? The players probably get sick of hearing Riley talk about how in his day the court went up hill at their basket both ways…
Jimmy is one of my favorite player but it’s not lile Riley didnt guve him a max contract. He had only finished year 1 of his 3 yr contract. Additionally, he was too busy with off court business and did get hurt quite a bit last year and failed the team. Riley was only stating the obvious for Jimmy to win a title and become a living legend in Miami. Who’s his team going to be in Hall of Fame?? Where’s his jersey going to be retired? Statue? Where?? Miami is the best place for him. They have bent backwards for him there and Par Riley is a legend of legend. His our era’s Red Auerbach.
Yeah if I was in jimmy’s shoes I wouldn’t be happy either. Riley went way too far with his public comments.
We’ve seen this movie before. When Jimmy feels wronged, he will not back down until he gets his way.
This is immovable object (Riley) meets irresistible force (Butler)
My takeaway from all this is that Jimmy’s agent has given him horrible advice.
My takeaway is he wont have multi year max offers like he thinks and will realize taking 52M next year instead of opting out to get 3/85M is his only choice…
Jimmy don’t need the Heat …..
The Heat need him ….. or the value he brings back. Heat have wavered over negotiations. Not Jimmy.
Actually Butler has literally never meshed with Bam or Herro… literally never. His pure will and having the greatest coach in NBA history has carried him. The heat were best when either Herro or Butler were not playing…. historically making a finals run without Herro 2 years ago.
Nuggets makes the most sense…
I think MPJ/Nnaji/Saric is pretty close to matching. It is one of the easier deals to do contracts wise, and MPJ at least might be someone the heat see as positive value.
Haven’t thought about that one before: KD in Miami. Wow. I kinda LIKE it! You’d have the most improved player, a top 5 center, AND still the purest bucket getter in the game, all on the same team – plus A LOTTA nice complementary pieces and bucket getters in their OWN right! Riley….if you somehow pull this off, without losing much else in your rotation besides Jimmy, your Heat will once again be part of a 3-4 headed MONSTER in the east……and you will be rechristened as the freaking MAAAAN, Pat!
I’m kinda rooting for this; I really am!
#FreeJimmy
Joy… u make 50 million a year playing a kids gm bro..
Joy… u think the garbage can.collectotlr has joy freezing getting can after can at 4am for 15 bucks an hr…
Boo hoo… u don’t like ur job
& acting like a petulant child.
It’s a joke..
Outta be ashamed…
Fans work hard to go to gms to pay u crazy $ and u pull a nba 2k rec baby who sabotage gm…
Unreal…
The commissioner should suspend you for the season. 1. U ruining the gm.
U under contract bro.. give back all the $ then..
Living in Miami & whining I got no joy.
Get in line pal!
A cancer……nobody should take him