“I think with Dennis in the mix now we have a chance to really be a great defensive team again,” Kerr added. “Like we were early in the year. And if we can put it together, then we may not need to do anything (trade-wise). But we definitely need to take this next month and really see what we have.”
The Warriors won’t be in a hurry to make their next trade, writes Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPN. Speaking to reporters before tonight’s game, head coach Steve Kerr said he wants to take a month or so to evaluate the current roster before any big changes are considered.
“I’ve talked to [general manager Mike Dunleavy Jr.] about that and I think that makes perfect sense,” Kerr said. “We’ve been up and down this year, but we like the group, we like the people we have and we really want to see how we play over the next month and then just keep our options open. Obviously, we’re a game above .500 [entering Saturday’s game], so we’re not in a position to say, ‘Hey, we’re good enough. Let’s just stand firm.’ We have to assess all the options. … [But] for me, it’s let’s see what we can do in these next few weeks and hopefully we settle into this rotation, start shooting the ball better.”
Golden State made a significant deal in mid-December by acquiring Dennis Schröder from Brooklyn. Dunleavy indicated at the time that the team will continue to look for ways to upgrade its roster, but Youngmisuk notes that he has said since training camp that it would take a major offer for him to part with Jonathan Kuminga or Brandin Podziemski.
There’s more on the Warriors:
- Stephen Curry sat out Saturday’s game with Memphis due to tendinitis in his knees, Youngmisuk adds. Golden State also plays on Sunday, and Kerr said there are no plans for his star guard to skip one game of every back-to-back for the remainder of the season. “Not necessarily for the rest of the year but during this stretch where the knee tendinitis has been a factor,” Kerr said. “The training staff feels strongly that for right now it makes the most sense to not play him in back-to-backs. But that could change as we go.”
- Kuminga left tonight’s game with an ankle sprain that Kerr called “significant,” tweets Anthony Slater of The Athletic. He will undergo an MRI on Sunday to determine the extent of the damage, but Kerr said it won’t be a “day-to-day” injury. Kuminga landed awkwardly on his right foot late in the second quarter and seemed to roll his ankle before crashing to the court.
- Gary Payton II, who suffered a left calf strain last week, has been cleared to begin individual on-court workouts, the Warriors announced (via Twitter). He will be reevaluated again next week.
- Tuesday will be an important day for Gui Santos and Lindy Waters, who will find out if their contracts will be guaranteed for the rest of the season. Santos, who was in the same position last year, recently talked to Sam Gordon of The San Francisco Chronicle about staying ready to play even though he has only appeared in 10 NBA games this season. He has tried to make the most of his trips to the team’s G League affiliate in Santa Cruz. “I just do exactly what they ask me to do — play hard, play the right way, make the right plays every time,” Santos said. “I love when I go down there and get some reps and remember how to play basketball for real. That helped me when I came up here.”
Like I said….warriors are happy making bank at this point. If legitimately wanted to compete, they’d be making moves.
News flash they do want to make moves. They have been trying since before FA opened. Do you want them to trade a bunch of the players for BI, or all your depth for an oft injured Butler. They need a player that they want to acquire to become available, and not cost the entire roster and all the draft picks unless their name is like Giannis…
Yeah righto mate….because that’s exactly the message that was conveyed on here via the exact words from the warriors brass. You’ll got your season tickets.
Dude this isnt baseball where you can just trade Soto for a bag of beans and a bunch of minor leaguers making no salary.
You have to have matching, and a package the other team wants, thats not more than you want to pay for the player. You also have to consider fit. For instance I like DeRozan as a player but think he would be a bad fit on the Ws.
There are a lot of reasons trades in the NBA are harder to put together.
Now you could talk about whether its a good idea to wait for a true star number two, because they only have enough assets for one big move, or going the DAL route and just snapping up a couple role players that might dip into your 1sts. I am open to the argument that the Ws are going to just wait forever for a true star to come available.
Do the Ws really need more role players though? I mean of course they could use a Trey III 6’10” shooter type but so does everyone else. This roster needs a second player with gravity that isnt on a contract so large it guts the entire roster to get it. Thats a pretty specific needle to thread and its not surprising it hasnt happened yet.
> because that’s exactly the message that was
> conveyed on here via the exact words from the
> warriors brass.
Why don’t you help us all.out by showing those “exact words” you refer to?
nrg82, it might behoove you to know the basics, which owner Joe Lakob and GM MDJr have stated publicly several times since last June.
This is a “reset” year, where spending needs to spend under the 2nd apron, in order to avoid the +$250M in multiplier penalties for “repeat offenders” they’d incurred in the last 2 years, and would otherwise incur next year.
Lakob.says that next season, with the luxury tax penalties reset, they expect to exceed the second apron in order to acquire more talent.
The moves the Warriors can make this season will.not diminish their ability to win in the next 2 seasons, when they can spend more.
Luxury penalties would not reset yet next year? Thet first need to duck under the luxury tax also…
Yeah being below the apron doesnt count as being out of the tax. They would need to duck down. Kumingas extension probably pushes them into the tax so it also means they cant really sign anyone not already on the roster or make a summer trade with players being aggregated since then your hard capped.
Other than trading the expirings for a big contract on a multi year during this season and extending Kuminga they will actually have a hard time pushing way into the tax since Loon/GPII/DS combine for a bunch of expiring money and two of the 3 can probably be brought back for min contracts. With the cap going up by like 15M they probably have no viable path to going much over the second apron.
They can do trades and sign free agents this off season but it must be before Kuminga signs his extension. After the new deal is signed they will be handcuffed again from signing most players. Is why they can’t do any deals right now that puts them over the cap line to hurt them this offseason. They cant even sign a 2way player. Now us warrior fans get all the Jimmy Butler fans that don’t understand over the cap prevents them from trading.
Nope that only works with cap space not the taxes. If you sign a full MLE your HC at the first apron. If you aggregate salaries in a trade your HC at the second.
Your not allowed to do transactions that only non apron teams can and then go into it. If you make any move a team over the 2nd apron isnt allowed to make your HC till the next league year.
You could make a trade after the finals before FA during this league year that wouldnt affect your moves next year. Otherwise if Kumingas extension pushes you into the second apron you cant make any move that would cap you at the second no matter the order of the moves.
If Kuminga takes like 28M you may be able to do a full MLE and another player on the Bi annual.
Chapman The Warriors can still easily get under the luxury tax for this year and also make trades to improve before the deadline. The Warriors are over the luxury tax line now because there is no fines. It only matters where they are at the deadline.
It can happen that it makes more sense to dump Looney or Payton or Hield or Anderson because it can save hundreds of millions in the long run.
Yadda yadda yadda…Come up with an actual move that will help the Warriors? Until then, all your talk is just talk.
They’ve been at this stage for years…
Every Draymond contract since KD left has been a sign of this…
What stage?
> They’ve been at this stage for years…
Untrue. The repeater tax means that the penalty for being over the tax increases every year. The rich teams can handle it until the 2nd, sometimes 3rd year… but not beyond that. The repeater can be “reset”, which is what GSW and the Clippers are trying to do this year.
They have to trade away several million in salary to reset it. I doubt they do it before the deadline unless they go on a massive losing streak. I mean maybe they just flip GPII into Det cap space, but its more likely he would be used to match for a player like Valanciunas.
They dont have to worry as much about the repeater tax though since the bands where the tax goes up are now going up along with the cap as opposed to just being every 5M over like in the last CBA. They just dont have a lot of avenues to go way into the tax since the only way to really go way in is to already be in the tax and sign a player on a rookie deal to a massive extension.
Next season they are committed to about 150M and the cap will be at 154M. They will have cap holds on Kuminga/DS/GPII/Loon. If they resigned Loon on a min let DS walk and give Kuminga a starting salary of like 32M on an extension they will be a bit over the 1st apron able to sign a TPMLE for like 6M. Even if you also resign DS for like 12M you probably cant get to the second apron which I think will be in the 205M range. Since even on the repeater your not getting hit that bad till you get into the tax bands over the 2nd they wouldnt even have that high a tax bill.
The one way you go way over is if you trade the 3 expirings for a player like Cam that makes a similar amount next season to their combined salary this season, and you extend Kuminga.
Nice post chap
Hopefully Aristotle is taking notes as it seems he doesn’t quite understand how this all works but your post is a great layout and worded excellent
Thanks. Yeah it helps to understand why FOs do what they do by looking at the long term cap situation. Your like oh OKC is cheap for the next year and sort of cheap for two, but they probably dont want to trade for a player on a big salary in 26 because the cost of Shai/JWill/Chet on full maxes or super maxes is going to be insane. Like no way they can have a bunch of guys making 15-20 like Dort/Caruso/Hart.
Rain Delay, I stand corrected for saying that we get the reset benefit for being under the 1st apron at $179M, not the $171M. (And Chapman knows is stuff.)
But the point I made to Nrg82 still stands: Lakob says we will have a much smaller payroll than last year’s $400M. Lakob explains it here:
link to nbcsports.com
Chapman, really good stuff, at least given the default assumption we want to keep everybody on the current roster if possible.
Variations on assumptions that might be interesting:
1. They can’t justify keeping Moody at $12M/yr. Kerr uses him as our 13th man, and now seems committed to playing non-guaranteed Lindy Waters over him. Moody’s contract, sans poison pill, should be moveable in June, allowing us to fill rotation need via trade that the MLE (which we likely won’t have) would have.
2. Cam Johnson (or a similarly priced starter like Myles Turner) can be acquired without including Schroder in (let’s just take a wild swing at it) a 3-way by using either Anderson or Hield along with Payton+Looney (Those 3 players add up to about $26M in value). The third team would get Anderson in exchange for, one, ~$5M in expiring value to Brooklyn and, two, a couple of minimums back to GSW. There will be teams with interest in SloMo in a few weeks.
What are your thoughts?
Kin of funny to run two headlines that are very much influenced by each other, Im guessing now Kuminga is out months maybe the rest of the year, they will hurry up on trading for Cam Johnson.
“take a major offer for him to part with . . . Brandin Podziemski.”
This is hilarious.
Why is that hilarious? Give us your full scouting report on Brandin Podziemski.
It’s hilarious because they’d need a “major offer”. Dude has regressed in a serious way as he tries to do too much. Do you need a scouting report for a guy shooting .404/.295/.733? He’s high energy and can do some of the little things but he is a major project that could be a couple of years away from being a good player. Even then, what’s his ceiling? Role player? He showed some signs last year but instead of building on it, he’s collapsed under the pressure of expectations. This is another example of teams overvaluing their young talent.
What is a “major” offer? Multiple 1sts? Podz is worth a 2nd at this point, maybe a heavily protected 1st. If he played for the Wizards you would have no idea who he is.
Every team over values their young players because of payroll. Is lauri worth what Utah wanted for him before signing that big contract? The answer is NO. They guy is good on the offense but doesn’t rebound or assist like allstar centers do. Utah over played their hand seeing he hasn’t improved this year and his numbers are going down. its better hang on to a player making very little than trade for a over priced contract to weigh you down. T-wolves another example they were better off with towns than Golbert.
Why would you trade a second year player under contract to get nothing back? podz only counts for $3.5 against the cap whose value is lower now than at the first of the year. You trade players when their value is high.
I didn’t say they should trade him. I’m merely laughing at the fact that they think they’d need a “major” offer to move him. You may as well just say you’re not trading him because no team in the league is offering you anything meaningful for Podz, who, let’s be honest here, has been horrible this year.
He was very valuable last year. Showed development this summer, and there are very real mitigating circumstances that explain his underperformance this year. He is a rotation player making the equivalent of the TPMLE when you combine his salaries for the next two years. The value is the contract not the player. Hes not untouchable, but a rotation player on the 19th picks scale is a piece worth getting full value for.
sounds like the Butler situation. Who is trading anything of value for somebody having a horrible year. let’s be honest Butler is no where near a $30 l plus million player.
He was lights out until this recent spell this year. 22/7/5 with good defense. I like healthy Jimmy I just dont trust his health or want to pay him 3/150 until hes 39….
If hes 100% your probably better in the playoffs, but he could also be hurt like he was last year and miss the playoffs altogether in which case you have no depth and 2/3 of the current roster. You would be both banking on his health and getting a bunch of rotation players on the buyout market.
@Aristotle…what’s a reset yr? When curry is how old? A fool is easily parted with his money. You guys still believe talk over actions? Good luck with that.
Again…Come with an actual trade that will help the Warriors and could actually happen. And don’t come up with another useless 7 footer that is at bottom of depth chart somewhere. The Warriors have had to many worthless centers over the years. Until then, all your doing is just playing with yourself.
I did. You guys laughed. Now everyone wants said trade, go figure. The vuch from Chicago can help you asap. Also, it’s not my job to help out the warriors or their fans. And yes, still play with myself regularly and 43 in a few weeks with a smoking hot Mrs going on 19 yrs and 3 kids later. You lot are so emotional.
What you don’t understand is they can’t make trades because of the cap. They do not have players that are expendable that other teams want. Why make a bad trade?
“Also, it’s not my job to help out the warriors or their fans.”…Then why are you complaining about the Warriors. Not everyone wants that trade. Dunleavy has already looked into it. And so far, has passed on it. Recent games have shown Vuch doesn’t really fill a need…So, why are you getting so “emotional” about a team you don’t care about?
Dude Curry is the problem. He is the one making the most money in the NBA. If he was on a discounted deal since he makes all kinds of money outside basketball they could build around him easier. What do you want them to liquidate the entire roster so they can have cap room? Are we better dealing Dray/Wiggins for expirings and trying our luck with FA when most players sign extensions now and there really arent good FA. Hows that working for PHI and they were more set up to do it with Maxey on a small cap hold until his extension was signed
This is what happens to a dynasty when your best players get older and more expensive. Without tearing it down completely there are pretty limited avenues to true upgrades. I do wish they had traded the Wiseman pick for like 3 future 1sts so they had more assets now.
nrg82 , the “reset” is a financial consideration to avoid having a $400M payroll like in 2023-24. You can read about what Lakob says here:
link to nbcsports.com
At least Shroeder is out of slump and playing like his normal self.