SEPTEMBER 24: The city of San Francisco will not permit Wiggins – or any other Warrior – to play home games this season without being vaccinated, reports Eric Ting of SFGate. The Department of Public Health stated on Friday that it wouldn’t matter if the NBA grants Wiggins a religious or medical exemption. For what it’s worth, Wiggins’ request for a religious exemption was denied by the league.
“At large and mega indoor events, all patrons 12 and older must be vaccinated at this time,” the department said in its statement to SFGate. “Under the current order, if unvaccinated, they cannot enter indoor areas regardless of the reason they are unvaccinated and cannot test out of this requirement even if they have a medical or religious exemption. This same rule applies to performers and players employed by the host at large and mega indoor events who are covered by the vaccination requirements of the Health Order.”
When Wiggins first commented on the vaccine in March, he said he didn’t envision himself getting it anytime soon unless he was “forced” to. He may have reached that point, since he’d risk missing the Warriors’ entire 41-game home schedule if he remains unvaccinated.
SEPTEMBER 23: Warriors forward Andrew Wiggins, who spoke last season about preferring not to receive the COVID-19 vaccine, hasn’t changed his stance and remains unvaccinated, sources tell Rusty Simmons of The San Francisco Chronicle.
Although the NBA doesn’t intend to mandate the vaccine for its players, the league will abide by local vaccination policies in municipalities where it’s required for indoor events. San Francisco is one of those cities that requires individuals to be vaccinated in order to enter indoor venues such as basketball arenas.
[RELATED: Nets, Knicks, Warriors Affected By Local Vaccination Policies]
Assuming Wiggins remains unvaccinated and San Francisco’s regulations remain unchanged, the veteran forward would require a medical or religious exemption in order to play in the Warriors’ home games in 2021/22.
According to Simmons, league sources believe the NBA will grant Wiggins a religious exemption, but that would just be one step toward making sure he can play. The city of San Francisco would have the power to override any exemption granted by the league. Asked for a statement on the issue, the city’s Department of Public Health told The Chronicle it would provide more clarity if and when Wiggins receives an exemption from the NBA.
“We are actively addressing the matter of requests for religious exemption from vaccinations across many industries and will work with our business and entertainment community on next steps,” the statement read. “We will provide further clarification on this topic.”
It seems likely that the Warriors and Wiggins will be able to resolve the issue somehow – whether that means his exemption is approved and upheld or he agrees to be vaccinated – since it’s hard to imagine him missing half of the team’s ’21/22 games. Still, his situation is an example of the challenges certain teams may face with vaccine-hesitant players.
The two New York teams – the Nets and Knicks – are among the other clubs affected by local restrictions on unvaccinated individuals. Nets GM Sean Marks said this week that he still has “a couple” players who need to be fully vaccinated, but he’s confident it will happen before the regular season begins.
Wiggins Sucks anyway,
who cares
19, 5, and 3 is not that easy to replace. If it was he’d be gone already.
It is when his differential is negative. They’ve been trying, but no one wants to take his contract.
…they typed furiously from their mother’s basement.
i dont need to repeat myself. wiggins is mucho hype. NEXT
You kind of just did repeat yourself doe so
not once
4 times!
Right every time!
Imagine being a bust like Andrew Wiggins. All the hype in the world. Imagine getting the chance to play for a contender and MVP and have to chance to revitalize your career. And you’re willing to potentially throw it all away because you don’t want to get the vaccine. How can you be that stupid? That’s the straw that broke the camels back for me. You don’t care about you’re health, team or career enough to get the shots?
He has said that he will take the shot if he’s forced to….he probably will if they dont accept his religious exemption request.
Right that’s how I approach it really. I’m not going to get the three or four shots until in two years they find the one that really works. I’ll just wait and take it when I’m forced to. Soon as I travel or something I’ll go ahead and get it.. I’m just not into these first couple rounds. It’s all good, I’m down with the program.
It’s great you’re willing to take the vaccine, that’s better than a lot of people. But saying I’ll wait to know which one really works is what is causing people to not get the vaccine and continue to spread the virus. The CDC states “vaccinated people are 8 times less likely to be infected and 25 times less likely to experience hospitalization or death” and is being considered one of the most effective vaccines in history by numerous medical sources.
And if you say well we don’t know the long term effects, I would ask, what vaccine in the history of vaccine has had scientifically proven major long term side effects, other than helping you live longer without polio/measles/chickenpox/influenza etc?
Again, glad you’re willing to get vaccinated, but do it asap so you don’t get it and spread it to other people who might get horribly sick and die from it. :)
Good points Sexland, I hear you… thumbs up !!
So you’re gonna get it then?
Absolutely. If I want to travel or go to Costco you have to get it. Pretty soon you won’t have a choice so roll up that sleeve. No big deal.
SexLand,
Vaccines generally take upward of a decade to approve precisely BECAUSE longer term (3-5yr) data needs to be collected.
The COVID vaccine was exempt from that for obvious reasons but the lack of empirical long term data is a real thing, and it’s not normal.
Which is why the side effects have RELATIVELY been reported in higher numbers than previous vaccines, yet in my opinion it’s still a pretty safe thing overall.
I support the vaccine and get why the shortfalls are there. But we have to be honest about the shortfalls, IMO
He’s done his research.
Actually the real reason most vaccines take that long is because drug companies don’t have the money to accelerate testing all the time. In this case the government footed the bill. All vaccines could be tested and approved in under a year if money was not a limited resource.
There’s no scientific reason companies usually stagger and delay their testing. It’s economic reasons. If a vaccine fails after phase 1 then you only spent money on phase 1. If you do all three phases simultaneously and then the vaccine fails, you spent 3x as much money on that failure.
Multiply that by the dozens of things any one company is developing and testing at any one time and it makes a huge difference in costs.
Thanks Dr…
Where do I start. First, I would like to see your sources for what you are saying and the data or stats that support it. Who is claiming the Covid vaccines are some of the most effective? That is an absurd claim given what we know since the delta variant emerged and the push for booster shots.. I also believe that CDC comment about the vaccine efficacy was prior to the Delta variant given that they scaled back tracking in May. Answer me this, what other mRNA vaccines have seen long term use and study? The answer is zero. The other vaccines you referenced are not only different, but for the most part far more effective than the Covid vaccines. I never had to get a booster shot for polio or the measles.
The British territory of Gibraltar with 33k people was fully vaccinated by early spring. They saw an explosion in Covid cases this summer. Singapore has seen an explosion of Covid cases amongst the vaccinated. Israel has seen an increase in Covid and hospitalizations amongst the vaccinated and have actually produced studies “ Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections” and data unlike the CDC. Please note there are at least 15 other studies showing natural immunity is superior than the leaky Covid vaccines. The below is a small sample of information that has been coming out over the last few months. I won’t even get into the growing use of Ivermectin in places like India and Japan or the complete lack of guidelines from the CDC and most politicians on comorbidities and preventative treatments supported by medical professionals around the world.
From the Israel study.
“The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”
Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.”
From the CDC on one of several outbreaks involving the vaccinated.
“ High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,” CDC Rochelle Director Walensky noted following a Cape Cod outbreak that included mostly vaccinated individuals.
These data suggest that vaccinated individuals are still spreading the virus much like unvaccinated individuals.”
Info out of Maryland.
“ Infections, illness, and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly among fully vaccinated people, according to data from the Maryland Department of Health and new research,” WBAL-TV reported on Tuesday.
The outlet said the trend has led some public health experts to argue “it’s time to reframe thinking” about the message on vaccines to note that they won’t necessarily keep you from getting sick, but they will increase your chance of survival.
“Over the past three months in Anne Arundel County, about 30% of the people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated,” the report stated. “There’s a similar timeframe and trend in neighboring Howard County, where health officials said roughly 30% to 40% of people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated.”
One of the creators of the mRNA technology Dr. Robert Malone has been a vocal critic of the way the government and CDC have handled Covid.
“One of my concerns are that the government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I’m of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines,”
“This is a fundamental right having to do with clinical research ethics,” he said. “And so, my concern is that I know that there are risks. But we don’t have access to the data, and the data haven’t been captured rigorously enough so that we can accurately assess those risks — and therefore … we don’t really have the information that we need to make a reasonable decision.”
“That’s one of my other objections, is that we toss about these words, risk-benefit analysis, casually as if it’s a very deep science. It’s not. Normally, at this stage, the CDC [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices] would have performed those risk-benefit analyses. They would be data-based and science-based. They’re not right now,” Malone said.
It is hard to check the context for all of your quoted statements. I couldn’t find the exact numbers that you quoted for the Israeli study. Vaccinated people are 12.5x more likely to show symptoms (238 vs 19) than those who previously had COVID. Hospitalizations were too low to draw any conclusions (8 v 1).
You did leave out that people who had COVID and then got 1 Pfizer shot had even better numbers than the COVID only group but again we are talking about small numbers. Additionally, the comparison leaves out all of the death and injury COVID causes to get to the sample of people that survived it.
Getting COVID as a route to immunity is risky like it would be with contracting measles, mumps, the yearly flu, and any of the 30 other diseases that have a vaccine. Long COVID and death are very real possibilities and the proper comparison is between vaccinated vs unvaccinated for doing any sort of risk analysis.
How about the unknown long-term negative effects after covid19 unnecessarily stressed your heart, lungs & other organs?
@michol. “he has said that he will take the shot if he’s forced to.” you talking about at the end of a real tight game.
I got both my mederna shots and now I am debating the third round. It is his choice…as it should be.
Because he’s been told his entire life how great he is, and now guess what he’s not!
He’s got like $100m in the bank and all he has to do is play basketball 82 nights per year and live in a great city. I’d say he’s doing alright. Not everyone cares that much if they’re the best in the world. Most don’t, I’d wager. And they’re not driven obsessively to win a title. That’s just fans’ romantic fantasy about professional athletes.
Well calling the Bay great is a stretch
Yeah every star athlete from high school is a coddled idiot thats been told how special they are since 12 and didnt realize that the special only applied to there sporting ability not every thought they ever had in there uneducated heads. KI looking right at you. Little snowflake sports stars and there fragile egos….
“… only applied to THEIR sporting ability not every thought they ever had in THEIR uneducated heads.”
When you’re pointing out “uneducated heads,” perhaps you should appear to be a little more educated.
I love college basketball and football. But most people knows that it is a joke. Wish that the public could see the ACT or SAT scores of the Duke basketabll team player’s scores compared to just the average Duke student’s test score.
@korny
anyone that calls Wiggins a bust simply knows nothing about basketball. does he have flaws? yes. is he a future Hall of Famer? of course not. but he is far from a bust.
How is he a bust? Averages 20 points a game for his career. I don’t think you know what a bust actually is
Many workers throughout the state have received religious exemptions. Hospital workers state workers.
It’s funny that Congress and staffers have not been required to receive the vaccination.
More the irony is that they all got the shot but refuse to say if they were vaccinated. its all political so they can keep their anti-vaxx voters. So they don’t care about the truth just getting elected by all means possible. I will not vote for anyone who refuses to say if they are vaccinated or not because it shows they are not truthful.
^this
Especially funny considering that a large portion of Congress is in the high risk 65+ category. It just amazes me how many people are still afraid of vaccines in 2021. This isn’t the Middle Ages.
But it is things like this that just remind me that we are not really that far removed from witch trials and the Inquisition.
The monoclonal antibodies that the unvaccinated demand once infected with Covid were developed and tested through the same scientific process as the vaccine. The disconnect and mental gymnastics people are going through to resist getting vaccinated is truly mind boggling.
By the way, using monoclonal antibodies to treat diseases was discovered by Cesar Milstein so Happy Hispanic Heritage Month!
Congress has been mandated. They are government workers and included in the executive order. Further, only a handful of holdouts in Congress before the mandate, and they have been complaining about being required to wear masks. Losers who do not even resemble leadership. I think they should treat the religious exemption here the same way they treated Ali’s religious exemption to being drafted into Vietnam. This certainly has far more serious consequences for society.
Uh.
link to newsweek.com
What is this so-called religious exception? Guess I’ll go look up Ali’s history & try to find out. Is it just saying “it’s against my religion?”
Yes. It is commonly referred to as “conscientious objector” status in reference to the military draft. Regarding vax, not sure how you can win that one when it relates to public health. Even the Coptic Church gambit to call marijuana its “sacrament” failed in the courts, and that was not a health issue.
I do not see how a religious exemption on this can pass muster – you cannot ignore traffic laws or speed limits based on religion, so how can you endanger public health based upon it? Sometimes society’s needs supersede the individual, whether libertarians like it or not. Free speech disallows shouting “fire” in a crowded theater, e.g.
Its more ironic that even congress people like Geatz and MTG are vaccinated but anti vax publicly. They dont get high on there own supply just take advantage of riling up the base with misinformation so they can cut the rich guys taxes more when you suckers re elect them.
The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected.
That’s how people feel – confused. It’s a mess!
It’s just these first couple rounds provide a little added protection. They haven’t found the perfect vaccination yet maybe that’s coming soon. I’ll go ahead and get that shot. Maybe they’ll call it a booster? But hopefully that one will provide the immunization and we can be done with this and carry on with our lives.
This is incorrect. It isn’t a “little added protection”, is actually a lot of protection. Also Covid is an mRNA virus (vs. DNA virus which doesn’t), so it will continuously mutate until everyone is vaccinated or it is eradicated, neither of which will happen. Point is, covid will be around for the rest of our lives most likely. It is like the common cold and flu, (although it’s pointless to have a vaccine for the cold so they don’t make it). So getting your Covid shot most likely will become a yearly event like flu shot.
Yes, there is no perfect vaccine around the corner, so no reason to put vaccination off because it’s not good enough. Like them or not, the vacs are the best world society can do, in other words, the best America can do, to crush a moving target (covid). The world would not be an endless London or Paris with no America… more likely, it would be an endless bat-eating Wuhan.
Those who avoid vacs make their area of occupation weaker by being a more likely covid incubator. It’s not about death rates. Death rates show susceptability, not resistance to the invasion.
You like many here have no idea what you are talking about. Why are the ignorant so vocal? Part of it is that the CDC has done a terrible job. One of the creators of the mRNA vaccine technology has stated vaccines are not the answer. Unlike your claims and the claims of others in this thread that haven’t provided a single shred of evidence to backup such claims let me provide some.
From the recently published study out of Israel. Note, there are at least 15 other studies showing natural immunity is superior than the vaccines. Also the following is by no means exhaustive. Places like Gibraltar, Singapore and the aforementioned Israel have seen an explosion in Covid infections despite being almost entirely or 100% vaccinated as in the case with Gibraltar. I didn’t even touch on the loss of vaccine efficacy over a fairly short period of time.
“The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”
Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.”
From the CDC.
“High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,” CDC Rochelle Director Walensky noted following a Cape Cod outbreak that included mostly vaccinated individuals.
These data suggest that vaccinated individuals are still spreading the virus much like unvaccinated individuals.”
Info out of Maryland.
“ Infections, illness, and hospitalizations are increasing rapidly among fully vaccinated people, according to data from the Maryland Department of Health and new research,” WBAL-TV reported on Tuesday.
The outlet said the trend has led some public health experts to argue “it’s time to reframe thinking” about the message on vaccines to note that they won’t necessarily keep you from getting sick, but they will increase your chance of survival.
“Over the past three months in Anne Arundel County, about 30% of the people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated,” the report stated. “There’s a similar timeframe and trend in neighboring Howard County, where health officials said roughly 30% to 40% of people hospitalized with COVID-19 are fully vaccinated.””
Here’s the next guy crying on a ventilator. Nice knowing you .
Fully vaccinated people have made up as few as 0.1 percent of and as many as 5 percent of those hospitalized with the virus in those states, and as few as 0.2 percent and as many as 6 percent of those who have died.Aug 10, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com › interactive
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State
I’m not confused. I know that the unvaccinated make up 90% of those dying from Covid. What’s so confusing about that?
You “know”. Lol
What is so confusing about the fact that over 99 percent of people survive, regardless of vaccination status? I’m vaccinated but think people should be free to choose, considering this is only deadly to a very small amount of people.
No, there is no free to choose when you can easily infect someone else and kill him/her. Just like there is no free to choose if you’ve been drinking and are deciding whether to drive. And there is no free to choose if you want to set your house on fire and it’s right next to someone else’s. That’s just the basics of living in a society instead of anarchy.
There is a free choice and that’s obvious.
Can’t you infect and kill people even while vaccinated? Didnt they find/admit vaccinated people carry similar if not higher viral loads than unvaccinated and can spread covid? Which is why Biden back tracked on his promise that if you get vaccinated you can stop wearing masks
WHICH IS WHY WE ALL F€|¥£§&$ WEAR MASKS TOO, BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE THAN OUR SELFISH SELVES! Jeezus the ignorance must also be contagious.
So the vaccine that was suppose to stop covid….Didn’t stop covid and we are back to square 1 with masks.
Over half the country is vaccinated either 1st or 2nd shot and cases are higher than they’ve ever been.
Padres it’s because the anti vaxers why the vax doesn’t work lol
Padres, the vaccination of a moderate number of people (50%) was never supposed to stop covid right away. It is going to be a long battle, until human bodies can adjust to covid on their own. Lies have been even more common than covid deaths IMO.
Early in in 2020, people were led by optimists to believe it was just a few months but that was never right.
Still, no reason not to get vacced.
First intelligent person on here… I’m vaccinated but believe in choice. We r in America
I never believe anyone that claims to be intelligent and yet still feels the need to abbreviate a three letter word. Are vs. r? Is it really that difficult?
…and the in America, patriots do what is best for us all, not wave the flag when they are asked to sacrifice.
4.5 million people have died from this. Make it whatever percentage you want, but I’m sure those 4.5m would prefer that everyone got it…
Who are you to decide that the “very small amount of people” are worth sacrificing just so you don’t have to get a shot that will make your arm hurt for a day or two?
And BTW, 675,000 people is not exactly a very small amount. It’s just shy of the amount of Americans killed by cancer in the same time period. If you could get a shot that would give you a much better chance of surviving cancer, would you take it?
Guess someone forgot to tell the govenors in California, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Michigan how deadly the virus was before putting covid positive patients back into nursing homes instead of using vacant hotels as quarantining locations, or hospital ships.
Every state did that so why did you list only 5 states?
Cause 4 of those 5 states were under investigation by the DOJ at one point. That and they’ve under reported their nursing home deaths this entire time.
Also. Got links to govenors like Abbott and DeSantis issuing mandates like Cuomo Newsom Whitmer Wolf and Murphy did? I can’t seem to find any. I can only the aforementioned 5 govenors.
4 out of 5 of those states listed above were under investigation from the DOJ at one point regarding their mishandling of the covid virus and nursing home facilities*
lmao not excusing Cuomo et al (Cuomo, in particular, I’ve loathed for years), but Abbott and Desantis have tons of problems of their own as they’ve handled the pandemic about as bad as any governor in the country. Threatening to withhold school funding if those schools issue a mask mandate and banning cities and municipalities from having their own COVID mandates (small government, eh?) have to be two of the dumbest moves in decades.
It’s funny you bring up DeSantis.
See. People have a pretty common misconception.
DeSantis is against forced mask mandates. As in forcing kids to wear masks. That doesn’t prevent kids from wearing masks. Just means they can’t be forced to.
If masks work then the kids wearing them should be fine at school right. Parents can still send kids to school with masks. Schools just can’t force parents to mask their kids.
Unfortunately mask mandates are causing people to leave. Schools that have mask mandates are losing students and teachers are losing jobs as a result. But hey. Evil govenor trying to make sure parents do pull their kids from your school and to make sure you stay employed. How dare him! Personally, let the schools shoot themselves in the foot. Id encourage parents to pull kids and place them elsewhere.
Yeah. How dare DeSantis not let discrimination happen in his state.
We know 59% of the ethnicities in regards to people who’ve received at least 1 shot of the vaccine. Overwhelming white. Meaning. Vaccine mandates disproportionately target blacks, Hispanics, and other ethnicities. But yeah. No minorities allowed signs! You would have done well in 1940s Germany and 1960s restaurants prohibiting people.
As I said before, I’m vaccinated. Let’s not pretend like the people who have died from covid are primarily healthy. They are not. They are almost exclusively old and unhealthy and closing in on death one wsy or another. It’s callous, but we can’t go on wearing masks and trying to get people to take a vaccine they don’t want forever. Rip the bandaid off. If you are immunocompromised, I feel bad for you, but I won’t go on like this indefinitely.
There’s some honesty! But you are still claiming youthful invincibility. Nothing there about your own aging and death being acceptable. Is it? Why not?
So your solution is for them to go ahead and die so you don’t have to be slightly uncomfortable? And it is definitely sweet of you to note how callous you are while telling people you don’t care if they live or die. I’ll be honest, I hope you don’t go on like this indefinitely because I really want you to stop now.
I am fully vaccinated, but I’m beginning to wonder. Why are we still having deaths and cases when majority of people are vaccinated? Last year, we didnt have any vaccines. Is it really making any impact? Many valid issues from anti-vaxers. Have to listen to both sides.
Because there are still millions of people unvaccinated and there is a much more contagious variant in 2021. How can you say vaccines are not having an impact without knowing what the statistics would be without vaccines?
Yes, this isn’t confusing at all. Only if you don’t know how to read. I’d imagine it’s confusing if you only consume propaganda media.
Those aren’t valid issues, they are propaganda from people with other agendas that are about themselves and generating attention. “Thinking for yourself” doesn’t mean “ignore experts.” Often, the experts are right. That’s what makes them experts, and that is a very good “thought by youself” you should consider. Which is boring and not self-congratulatory, I know, but that’s life.
Nearly all the serious cases now are unvaccinated people (which includes many children, who aren’t allowed to get vaxxed yet). The vaccines work if anything better than advertised, which you can determine by reading any number of a jillion articles in peer-reviewed journals.
Experts that have been proven wrong by other experts. You just only want to listen to one side, and that fine but you are not educated enough to make a decision when you don’t look a bigger picture.
Isn’t my doctor the expert? He’s advising against younger individuals needing the vaccine, unless you have pre existing conditions, but advising older people to get the vaccine.
You are 10 times more likely to die if unvaccinated and 29 times more likely to be hospitalized unvaccinated. Those are fact so if being vaccinated means less than a 5% chance going to a hospital. I take the less than 5% chance over 95% chance any day
While not knowing what the long term side effects are.
Vaccines protect others. Just read an Iowa couple got infected by an unvacccinated, unmasked person at a party. Wife recovered, husband died. Get vaccinated TO PROTECT OTHERS & HELP AMERICA get past this killer virus.
699,887 US reported deaths & counting.
U do you.. others will do what they want to as well
Were they vaccinated? How old? Obese? Anecdotal stories like this leave out a lot of important details. Of the 700,000 that have died how many were over 55 and/or obese. The virus is a killer, no doubt, but it is very selective.
Oh, so sorry!
They were BOTH FULLY VACCINATED! That was the point I was trying to make. Older than 50, chunky, but not obese. They thought they were ok without masks since they were fully vaccinated. These are called “breakthrough” infections.
My other point is getting vaccinated is being PATRIOTIC! Whatever you think, you’re taking one for the team, TEAM AMERICA!
Plus we’ve all been getting vaccinated all our lives with no complaints! Now since trump called it a hoax, although he & the rest of them all got vaccinated, getting vaccinated is a problem. Now, it’s a “freedom” issue and/or a “political” issue? Please!
Vaccinated can spread covid too man. Not sure how an unvaccinated individual giving them covid is worse than a vaccincated person giving them covid. So their vaccines didnt work? Thought it was suppose to lessen the symptoms?
My neighbor is a nurse. She said at her hospital there are currently 35 patients with Covid. 33 are not vaccinated. 7 are in ICU, all unvaccinated. The oldest patient of the 35 is age 51. And about half are under 30.
This is not an old person’s disease anymore. It started out looking that way just because nursing homes were easy distribution centers for the virus. But now that schools are acting like things are normal again, young people are getting hit hard.
Without this vax situation, would you do Wiggins and Wiseman to Dallas for Porzingis and Hardaway?
As mentioned above he’ll get the shot if he needs to do so to play. He’s not going to hold up the entire team. He’s just saying that he prefers not to and if he can do it great if not then he’ll be a trooper.
T wolves would take him back! And Rubio, add Simmons could you imagine the superteam
Wiggins doesn’t quite jive with ANT-KAT. It would be better to get a lockdown defender at the 3. Rubio wouldn’t hurt any team in the NBA
I seriously doubt KAT would want anyone on the Wolves that isn’t vaccinated considering he has lost 6 family members, including his mom, to the disease and has been very outspoken against anti-vaxxers. As an aside, I hate that term but I would get in trouble for using my preferred term for those people.
What f***ing religion is anti-vaccine?? So dumb. There isn’t one. And if there is they should be taxed because they aren’t a real religion.
Jehovah’s Witnesses I believe are against them. I know they are anti-transfusion and that seems far crazier.
Prior to 1952, Jehovah’s Witness leadership instructed practitioners not to receive vaccinations because one leader believed vaccines used animal blood cells. The faith does not permit blood transfusions or donations, but since it was made clear that vaccines did not involve blood contact, Witnesses have been permitted to be vaccinated.
Thank you for the information without being snarky or defensive. It is very much appreciated.
Every so often I’m not snarky, I just try not to make a habit of it.
Wasn’t Wiggins dad a junkie? Oh Andy, you dont have to worry about whats in the vaccine….
Is Wiggy a Jehovah’s Witness?
no, he’s canadian.
We’re a country, not a religion
Hey. I thought this was a forum for discussion of basketball…
I am pretty much tired of seeing these vaccine discussions here, can we all agree to boycott the vaccination stories and let this be about basketball?
I hear what you’re saying but if Andrew Wiggins is not in the starting lineup opening night I want to know why. Saying he’s out for no particular reason won’t fly.
It’s okay on this one, I think this is a pretty civil discussion and around 100 comments. They haven’t had to close it down.., everybody’s been very polite here.
In fact I’ll take this time to say I’ve read every single comment and I applaud the group for civility. I think I only read one where somebody called someone else an idiot and that was removed. Nice job everyone.
It is, he can’t play basketball because of the issue you don’t want to discuss, hence why it’s here.
For a guy who’s largely been a bust it’s surprising he would allow there to be another thing for him to get criticized for
Do you know what a bust is? A guy whose career average is 20 points a game isn’t a bust
Number one picks have the spotlight on them. It’s the nature of the Beast. Look at Kwame Brown. He turned out to be a nice player (for what that’s worth.) He could rebound, play great defense, was smart and had a decent career. Just not good enough to be the number one pick LOL. He’s almost like Dwight Howard’s kind of game after Howard turned 30+.
Sound like klay
It irks me when people overuse the word bust. There is a lot of area in between bust and MVP or Hall of Famer. The word bust should be reserved for guys like Dragan Bender or Anthony Bennett. Guys that just flat out do no belong in the league. These guys were completely out of the NBA by the time their rookie deals expired.
Wiggins not only has played 7 years in the league, but received a max extension. The Timberwolves are not the best organization, but I am pretty sure they would not have offered a max deal to someone that didn’t belong in the NBA.
Unless you’re the SF Mayor then it’s okay to do what you want.
Absolutely shocking that a person with power is not acting like they expect the rest of society to act. I’m sure that has never happened before in the history of mankind.
So let’s just say, for arguments sake, that the vaccine will lead to a horrible death in 20 years. Do you really want to be left around when all the doctors, scientists etc… are all gone from this earth? I imagine it’ll be one big Florida and I’d rather be 6 feet under than scavenging for the last medical supplies or fresh produce. I’m in for 3 shots so far, the mRNA appears to be working fine so far…..
Calling him a bust is harsh but not far from the truth. If you go back and redraft 2014 Wiggins ranks 23rd in Value over Replacement Player rankings and that’s behind some pretty marginal players. There’s more to determining whether or not he’s a bust but just filling a score sheet is not a final determination. Irrespective of his PPG, I’d probably classify him as a bust based on his draft position.
VORP is useless. It greatly overvalues size and undervalues guards.
If you can go through the very weak 2014 draft and find 22 better careers than Wiggins, then I must assign the same to your opinion about basketball talent as VORP.
For those complaining about talking Covid
I get it, its exhausting (but still better than talking BenS trades) but damn yall should be proud having such a civilized convo about such a big/intense issue as you have in here
Anyone whoes been on the baseball rumors platform knows what Im talking about…its a fckn holy disaster every single time
I tippy- toed in here seeing 100 comments/Vax header but am pleasantly surprised seeing some intelligent/healthy dialogue going on
They do a much better job of moderating things here than on the baseball rumors platform, I rarely even bother going there. It’s more civilized here.
Too many comments on the Astros are still focused on the cheating scandal.
don’t even bother with bbrumors. can definitely see where the…
Remember when Muhammad Ali was prevented from boxing because he refuse to fight in Vietnam?
At the time I thought he was sincere but rules are rules.
Now every jerk just says “religion” and we let them do whatever they want. Frankly, religion shouldn’t be that powerful.
Also a vaccination? What type of religious coward are you?
Back in the day, I had to enter the selective service in case a military draft was needed. If it had occurred, I could have been put in the military to defend the USA against my will just like most soldiers in Vietnam.
Getting vaccinated is on par or above that because you are saving yourself, your family, and your fellow citizens from a direct existential threat not some fantastical domino theory about how communism will take over the world.
I remember doing that when I was 18, but I think it only lasts for 7 years.
Things here are so much different now than they were during Vietnam.
Most people have come to realize that there is no threat of “communism” taking over the world since the Cold War ended more than 20 years ago.
I meant to say 30 years ago, how time flies.
So the mayor doesn’t have to follow the rules, but an NBA player has to?
Mayor who? Are you referring to the governor?
The San Francisco mayor.
Yes after all it is all about Wiggins and screw all his teammates and the fans who pay that ridiculous salary of his. Funny is Cleveland took him over Joel Embid. I guess that was one of BRON BRONS GM mistakes
NBA Denies Andrew Wiggins’ Religious Exemption for COVID-19 Vaccine
link to nbcsports.com
I’m curious, what religion is he ?? Anyone know this religion who is against vaccines. Does this include polio vaccine, and penicillin. He also refuse aspirin or bengay. Was he born in a hospital ?? Or in the woods
I think he’s a satanist
Only product whose failure is blamed on the people who dont use it.
You flip him, One of the 1st round picks from
This last draft and a future first for Simmons.
Church of STUPID doesn’t qualify for religious exemption.