6:00pm: A formal league inquiry into the Trail Blazers ‘ alleged failure to provide sufficient medical information is expected to be opened, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reports. That could result in the Warriors receiving further compensation.
5:07pm: The Warriors have decided to go through with the four-team deal despite Payton’s injury, The Athletic’s Shams Charania tweets. Golden State will not pass Payton’s physical exam but they’ve decided to move forward with the trade anyway.
All the players involved can now suit up for their teams.
4:45pm: The trade is tracking toward becoming official, Wojnarowski tweets.
1:00pm: The NBA is working with Golden State to help the Warriors finalize their four-team trade without losing their ability to pursue recourse for the way the Trail Blazers shared Gary Payton II‘s health information, per Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
As we previously relayed, the Warriors have filed an official complaint with the league office, arguing that Portland withheld key medical information about Payton.
The reserve guard, shipped out to Golden State from Portland at the trade deadline last week, flunked a physical exam when the Warriors’ medical staff discovered that his core muscle injury, which he had been playing through for a month, was severe enough it could sideline him for three additional months this season.
Reports from The Athletic and ESPN have indicated that Payton was using Toradol to relieve his pain, which the Warriors didn’t know before agreeing to the trade. Agent Aaron Goodwin told Chris Haynes of TNT (Twitter link) that “despite of what’s being reported, my client never took Toradol shots to be available for games during his time in Portland.”
[Note: The Athletic has since clarified that Payton received Toradol doses orally, rather than via injection.]
Should the Warriors ultimately decide not to move forward with their trade, it would have a ripple effect on four clubs. Their deadline to do so is 9:30 pm ET tonight.
According to Wojnarowski, Golden State will likely move forward with the deal as long as doing so doesn’t cost the team its ability to further pursue the matter. As Woj explains, an NBA investigation could result in a fine and/or lost draft picks for the Blazers if the league discovers “a failure to disclose relevant information.”
The Warriors shipped out 2020 No. 2 draft pick James Wiseman to the Pistons and two second-round draft picks to the Blazers in the trade. Meanwhile, the Pistons sent out small forward Saddiq Bey to the Hawks and combo forward Kevin Knox to the Trail Blazers. The Hawks traded three second-round picks to Portland and two seconds to Golden State.
Luke Adams contributed to this report.
I still think the deal will go through, then six months from now you’ll see a deal between Portland and Golden State that is very favorable to the Warriors.
or at least some draft picks stripped from Portland.
not sure if they can give those picks to GS after
If the repercussions of this is to only punish the blazers and still screws the warriors then what is the point? Why wouldn’t they just cancel the trade of that was the case
Because Portland would be responsible for his contract for the rest of the season and not affect GS’s cap. The league could order Portland to send the cash to GS to cover the remainder of the season and still mandate that it doesn’t affect GS’s cap calculation this year. As for draft picks, I don’t see any going directly to GS. If the league decides to strip Portland of a pick, how it affects the league depends on whether it’s a first or a second. I believe Miami lost one recently and only 59 were drafted.
I’ve always disliked that it takes away an opportunity for a kid to get drafted when this happens in all leagues.
I think stripped picks should back-fill and be given to the worst record teams at end of draft.
I mean whats the hit rate on 55-60?
Nonsense … his agent, who speaks with full authority says Payton took Toradol. The Warriors tried to bluff their way into reclaiming some draft picks. It didn’t work. Case closed.
im excited for Wiseman debut tn if this goes thru
warriors holding everything back for nothing.
u got ripped off even if Payton is healthy
Saddiq already practicing with the squad. Ws jus tryin to squeeze anything they can out the deal, which I can dig. Pretty hype to see tge new guy on the team tho. The fact that he’ll push JC & Dre for their starting spots should put some more pep in their step too. John already looked a lot more active last night & that was with Saddiq still in street clothes.
If saddiq turned out to be injured out a couple months the hawks would have voided the deal. GSW got sold a lemon for this season after Portland claimed he was 100% healthy.
But they have control of Payton for 2 more years! Not just a rental
Thats immaterial to the fact that they wanted a player to help this season since they have struggled, would have had Wisemans salary this summer to make a move with if not for this, and would have looked into other trades while they were still allowed that could have provided win now help.
For instance I have a feeling they would have been in on Vanderbilt from Utah if they werent working out this deal…
problem is they need him right now. You saw how bad the team played last night. That was embarrassing. If it wasn’t for them playing the Lakers they should been blown out by 20 points. Only a few games this season they played like a winning team.
As I was saying… great move for my guys. We got 1 of the better young group forwards (as well as 1 of the best center duos & 1 of the best starting backcourt)in the league now with John, Dre, Saddiq, Jalen & AJ. All 5 of those guys signed up for the foreseeable future & we have the opportunity to lock up Bey on a long-term extension this summer if it makes sense
6 seed here we come.
Change portlands 2nds to their first next year only fair option.
Professional sports agent and doesn’t know how to use the word “despite” lol. “Despite of what’s being reported”
Could be a typo or world jumble. Pretty easy to go into the statement deciding between saying “in spite of…” and “despite…” then accidentally saying “despite of…”
I mean I dont know who the Warriors would have gotten the information about the toradol from other than GPII since they werent going to get that knowledge anywhere else.
I think the agent may need to touch base with his client because who else could that have come from?
The agent wasn’t wrong per se since it’s not being reported that he took it orally vs injected. Technically he didn’t lie.
Professional sports agent? You ever hear our last PRESIDENT of the United States??
Blazers really scrwed Warriors. W’s could have saved additional $40M in luxury tax this yr alone if they didnt trade with Blazers, not to mention FIVE 2nd round draft picks. This is a BIG deal and very unfair to W’s who could have made another notable trade instead.
The financial part stinks, for sure. However, GSW put GSW in that spot to begin with. And since they waited until the last minute to avoid a huge loss, I don’t have any sympathy for that part of it.
Nope. The Warriors more likely conspired to see what they could squeeze, and the failed.
I don’t get it, who’s claiming GPIII used toradol? Portland medical claiming he didnt, GPIII claiming he didn’t, and GPIII’s agent claiming he didn’t. Is it just GS making the claim and based off what?
Might have been something else besides toradol.
He is GP 2 not 3. I would assume whatever info the Ws have is because of GPII directly since there isnt anyone else that would have given them that info.
They are denying injected shot … but not oral tablets which seems to be the case here.
His AGENT said he had no shots. Case closed
Correct. There are no shots when the medication is taken orally.
Am I the only one that actually don’t trust the Athletic “report”? Might have been a malicious attempt to stain the Blazers organization.
I’ve seen some say initial reports stated he took shots (which most deny) but they are now saying he took pills.
Let’s say he actually was getting these shots..for arguments sake, and that the injury is the same or slightly better than his last game with Portland…
Why then, can’t he continue to get said shots and suit up? I mean, how does simply wearing a different uniform mean he is now so bad off he may miss 3 months?
Because some teams don’t force their players to play thru injury further complicating the injury and compromising their career. Only Portland does
And what actual proof do you have that this is what Portland does???
So far it’s just a bunch of rumors and conjecture from the Warriors side. Did Payton get a second opinion on his injury and what his treatment should be??? And if he was being forced to take painkillers, which again not sure how that happens. Does the training staff hold him down while injecting him??? Did Payton not know how to reach out to the NBAPA or his agent to inform them that he was being forced to take injections against his will??? Seems like those would be easy records to get.
There is a reason that the players that were leaving( GPII and Josh hart) were said to be “ecstatic” to be leaving as has been reported. A poorly ran franchise that is a perineal loser has probably let you down year after year. Just accept that you’ll never be championship material and you won’t be so defensive about your shady management.
Per Josh Hart….. “Portland as an organization was great, Joe Cronin has been great. That organization is nothing but a class act. In the front office, in the training room. And I just want to say that that organization is respectful, a class act and does everything by the book.”
So explain to me exactly how does Hart trash the Blazer organization and how it’s run again??? Please provide actual sourced quotes from Hart or GPII that state how ecstatic they are to leave Portland because it’s such a poorly run franchise???
Go back 2 days ago to an article in this site (Before the failed physical) titled northwest notes: Payton, Blazers, etc. second paragraph. But I’m just going on what’s been reported. I’m not in that building and either so it’s all hearsay. But at least what I’ve said is based on those reports. You are just going with what you perceive to be the truth
Second and third paragraph*
Neither are you*
Right. You’re going in what’s been reported by a local Portland reporter whose had an axe to grind with the organization over the years. He reported from one unnamed source about how players who played for the team for less than 2 seasons at most with the team. I actually provided you a quote directly from Josh Hart himself. But keep telling me how all these players have come out and trashed the organization.
I’ll wait for the direct quotes or tweets from those players.
They named Josh hart, Norman Powell, Larry nance, and Robert Covington. But if you perceive Portland to be a top notch organization I get it. But the banners in your rafters speak volumes
I get it. You can’t actually find a single quote from any of those players speaking badly of Portland.
The reporter named those specific players based off a source he doesn’t name. So until I see actual quotes from those players about the franchise, I’m certainly not going to give credence to a reporter who has had an axe to grind with the franchise for the last 15 years.
You l’re obviously are a lot more invested in the story cause I haven’t researched player quotes. I just repeated a quote from an article I saw on this site. I’m interested in the outcome as a warrior fan but that’s about it
The one title. Better than some
I am certain you meant perennial, but I imagine it would be pretty painful to get hit in the taint.
Ok cheap … GS just accept it cheap skates. Rigged NBA. WWE out there
Lol at calling Warriors cheap. Bless your heart.
Okay you got me. Yeah kind amusing
There is an interesting twist in this chaos because GP2 played for W’s last year and Blazers signed him not knowing he had an injury. GP2 had an offseason surgery and the injury didnt happen in Blazers training. Blazers probably feel they signed damaged good Looking back, it was GP2 who probably hid injury info to sign lucrative contract. Same as Otto Porter.
That’s not an interesting twist. That shows how dumb Portland is. How does your medical staff sign off on signing someone if they are “damaged goods.” Sounds like a poorly run organization
They are probably blaming Warriors :)
There is no twist. He would have had a physical before he signed with Portland. They knew what they were getting.
Toronto also has their players go through a physical before they sign contracts. It is a standard procedure in all sports. You must be new here.
Sorry about Wiseman. He was just making too much money on this team. He would still be on this team if he was making Poole’s $2.5M salary.
Portland made this deal not to screw GSW but to get the voidable contract of Knox so they can have extra cap flexibility to extend Grant this summer.
Detroit made the deal to get an increasingly unhappy Bey into a new situation while adding more frontcourt depth.
GSW made the deal to avoid tax penalties.
Atlanta wanted to get worse on defense.
Yes, but Warriors could have saved additional $40m in luxury tax if they didnt involve Blazers in the trade. Warriors chose to spend $40M to have a shot at the title this yr. Thats why it stinks.
The Warriors made the deal to avoid paying tax penalties on a guy who can not help them AND get a player in return who they know (if he’s healthy) can help them. If they just wanted to avoid tax penalties they could have just cut Wiseman and they would have saved much more (by 2 to 3 times) in luxury tax. Big difference.
No. Cutting Wiseman would have left his entire contract on the books for this year (9.6 mm) and next (12.1 mm) as dead money. He had to be traded to move that money to a different team (it can’t disappear).
The original formulation had them taking back only Knox (3.0 mm), whereas Payton makes close to Wiseman and for two more seasons (8.3 mm, 8.7 mm and 9.1 mm).
Thus if Warriors kept Knox instead, would haved saved $46M luxury tax this yr alone and keep 5 second round picks. It also means Warriors would have more flexibilty in buyout mkt. :(
Sounds right, whatever 6.6 mm x their marginal tax rate would equal. They’d also have a TPE for 12 months, and be rid of JW’s 12.1 mm next year. None of that helps this year, like Payton might have, but if he ain’t available.
Yeah, I got that wrong on cutting him. It had to be an expiring contract coming back in a trade to maximize the luxury tax savings. I am pretty sure they could have made that happen if reducing future luxury tax was their only goal.
So if this injury is truly as serious as the Warriors claim, we shouldn’t see GPII suit up until at least sometime in the playoffs. If he suits up in the regular season, then we know the GSW medical staff and FO are full of isht.
Kiss the rings maddpup
And there’s the classy Warriors fan that everyone knows and loves!!!
I would love to see how you acted if Portland ever had a dynasty. Neither one of us will live long enough to see it so we’ll never know. Too bad Dame has to play for an incompetent organization. Even he wishes he could’ve played for the DUBS
The interesting part to me is how it’s worded. It ‘could sideline him for an additional 3 months’ not that it will, or that he’s currently unable to suit up.
And now it appears GSW is going through with the deal anyway.
Is your angry towards the GSW cause we swept you in the WCF a few years ago? Get over it and enjoy ur play in tournament loss
If Portland was correct he should be suiting up tomorrow since he is not injured. I am just quoting Portland’s GM that he is not hurt and ready to go. So tomorrow tells us who is correct and who traded a injured player. So are you full of it? I guess we find out tomorrow.
GSW’s medical staff has complete discretion in passing or failing Payton on their physical. They don’t have to identify anything specific. But their determination doesn’t have any meaning aside from giving GSW an option to cancel the trade.
Wrongdoing on the part of POR or any other team can only be determined by the league, and that can only happen based on a league investigation. Those aren’t quick and, frankly, are usually quite feeble. It would be naive to expect either a definitive finding of guilt, or any kind of real remedy. Best case might be that POR tires of the investigation and pleads to something so everyone can go home.
Says a lot that he wasn’t getting “any given sunday” juiced to be able to go out and play.
Warriors believe there was knowledge of injury prior to the trade, or are alleging serious misconduct by the Blazers Medical, and training staff.
I kinda knew the shots story was drama, and this would go through. I guarantee Payton II hopes everyone just drops it, and “settles out of court” so he doesn’t have to be independent medical doctors guinea pig to confirm, or deny the allegations. I have a feeling you can get a doctor to say he could play, and a doctor that would say he can’t all day long. Hard to prove beyond doubt I would bet.
Gonna be a tough offseason after getting bounced by the KANGZ
Don’t see how you give up on Wiseman. For a hurt Payton. Not even a 110% Payton. Is worth it to me. I guess they feel good about him healing.
Probably because they’ll save a ton of money rather than paying him, and the tax, to play in the G league.
This situation seems unprecedented. Does anyone remember this happening before?
Yes alot
Kerr doesn’t deserve Wiseman. Thanks for the rigged title GS