Damian Lillard had become more involved with the Trail Blazers over the past two weeks and was preparing to attend training camp with the team if he didn’t get the trade he requested, according to Shams Charania and Sam Amick of The Athletic.
After nearly three months of waiting, that deal came together on Wednesday, sending Lillard to the Bucks in a three-way trade that also involved the Suns. Lillard hadn’t been reconciling with Portland, the authors add, but he was working out at the team facility and interacting with coaches and teammates to show that he was willing to remain patient as the Blazers’ front office tried to find a trade.
Lillard’s agent, Aaron Goodwin, informed general manager Joe Cronin early in September that Lillard was open to participating in camp if a deal didn’t happen before then, sources tell Charania and Amick, and Lillard told team officials that he would be “fully present” for the start of the season while trade talks continued.
However, the authors’ sources say Cronin didn’t want the distraction of having Lillard on the roster when camp began and preferred to get a deal out of the way before Monday’s media day. He viewed the Lillard situation as “a cloud over the organization” and wanted the team to be able to focus on the season ahead without having to worry about Lillard’s future.
Charania and Amick provide more inside information about Wednesday’s blockbuster:
- When Lillard made his trade request on July 1, he told team officials he only wanted to go to Miami and was expecting to be rewarded for his years of loyalty to the organization. Charania and Amick confirm the Blazers and Heat talked several times in July, but the negotiations never became “substantive,” according to the authors’ sources. Portland asked for Jimmy Butler or Bam Adebayo in its first call, and Miami eventually decided that Cronin wasn’t serious about working out a deal with them.
- Sources tell Charania and Amick that in July and August, the Heat were willing to part with three first-round picks, multiple second-rounders and pick swaps, along with Nikola Jovic in a proposal that would have sent Tyler Herro to a third team. However, the Blazers weren’t interested and the relationship between Portland and Miami started to become contentious. It’s worth noting that Miami didn’t technically have three tradable first-round picks available due to an obligation to the Thunder and the Stepien rule.
- Cronin began serious trade discussions around the league on September 18 and found interest from the Bucks, Celtics, Pelicans, Raptors, Timberwolves and Bulls. All those teams wanted to acquire Lillard, but they were concerned about Portland’s asking price and whether they would have enough talent left on their roster after a deal to compete for a title.
- Tensions reached a point where Cronin stopped responding to Goodwin in mid-September, sources tell Charania and Amick, and Goodwin began to explore other options that might appeal to Lillard. He was willing to consider the Bucks and Nets, and Goodwin communicated his interest to both those teams. The Raptors also had serious interest, but Lillard’s reluctance to play there was an obstacle until the end, the authors note.
- The authors’ sources say the Suns started discussing the framework of a Deandre Ayton–Jusuf Nurkic trade in mid-July, but the Blazers wanted to make sure they could avoid the luxury tax when Lillard was eventually dealt. Phoenix would likely have been part of any deal with the Bucks, Nets or Heat, Charania and Amick add.
So the Bucks could be adding some fringe pieces right? Payne, Warren, Barton?
seems like Payne is on the bucks radar
Raptors just a bargaining tool to get others to move.
Yeah, that offer was junk. Firsts much less likely to be good compared to the Bucks or Heat and no big piece included. Even if Lillard had been willing to go to Toronto, nothing was ever going to happen.
Heat were not serious if all they want to trade is Hero and a few 1st round draft picks. Why didn’t they include their 1st round pick from last draft? Why would Portland trade Jovik who has value too?
Haha what? Herro and a few firsts is just as good if not better than they got. All they really got was Ayton and 1 first. Holiday is useless to them. So ultimately you’re comparing Ayton to Herro. Admittedly I’d rather have Ayton if I’m rebuilding, but it’s still to close.
Agreed that Holiday is useless to them. But he could be valuable to a number of other teams. I don’t think we can truly grade this trade until we see what package Holiday brings. Overall, I think Portland and Phoenix end up winners. Milwaukee, not so much.
I don’t really see what they can get, because the thing everyone negates is in order to trade you got to match salary. Hence why MIL traded Holiday. And the problem is, there aren’t many bad contracts at this time so a team would have to unload a quality player to get Holiday. Maybe Philly trading Harden and a Pick. That’s the only deal I see.
I don’t see how Phoenix won. Allen is a solid player, but everyone else they got is a bum. They got players that barely did anything on Portland when they had all the opportunity, now they are going to have less opportunities.
Well almost every NBA expert gives Bucks winning. If you know more than why aren’t you in an NBA job. The Bucks got an A grade. Plus trading Allen opens up another exception to sigh someone else. Win for Milwaukee big time.
There are enough “bad” salary matching contracts with contenders for Jrue Holiday.
My top 5 destinations:
– Boston with Brogdon, although they would need to add Horford plus a minimum contract like Lamar Stevens.
– Brooklyn for Ben Simmons, but I don’t see Brooklyn as contenders
– Miami for Lowry+Herro, with Herro going to a third team to make the salary matching puzzle work
– Philadelphia for Harden (seems the most likely so far), with Harden going to Clippers or another team and Portland trying to flip what they get back in a next trade this season.
– Straight up trade with the Clippers
Some unwanted contracts from a third team could get waived by Portland. Maybe even K. Porter Jr. if this brings enough draft capital.
-Boston: I can possibly see that, but not sure it’s a good move. Horford, Porzingus and Rob are all injury prone. They would be lucky to play a full season combined. But, Small Balls Brad does love small ball. But, what is Portland getting? A bunch of useless players to them that will worsen their draft chances and late firsts?
-Brooklyn: why would they want Holiday?
-Miami: It does .ake sense, but at this point it’s hard to see Portland and Miami making any type of deal
-Philly: I agree but so far it’s the only sensible deal meaning they will go the Miami route and play hard ball
-Clippers: maybe, but what’s the deal? They will have to take back Powell on a 3 year deal, plus 2 more players like Zubac and Mann. Definitely possible, but how many picks plus role players Clippers willing to give up?
Haha, what experts?
So I have to be an “NBA expert” to have an opinion? You keep on listening to those experts. I prefer to think for myself.
In addition, Dame has the chance to win a chip. This may motivate him more than he has been in awhile. It’s nice to play games that mean something.
Everyone knows Holiday is going to be flipped for some good young players. Even the Heat want Holiday on their team and would trade picks and young player for him. Hero is a 3rd option guy on a team so why do you think he is a all star.
Well Jovic is on Mia first off
Sounds like your pretty far removed from being able to make a proper analysis here
I agree with a big part of his reply to my comments though.
– For the Boston option, why would Portland take on the contracts of Brogdon and Horford for this and next year. It was unlikely.
– Brooklyn is more rebuilding indeed. But I mentioned it as it is a one-for-one option with Simmons. If that happens, its before trade deadline if Simmons disappoints again, with lots of picks attached. But Brooklyn is not a contender, so shouldnt do it.
I forgot one team: Knicks with Fournier and all their picks.
– Miami trade might not happen for now, but maybe closer to trade deadline or already in December, when more people can be traded, some injuries occurred,…
– Philadelphia would be a good trade partner, the most realistic option short term, but then the question remains: where does Harden go? Could be Miami, Knicks or Clippers for example.
– For Clippers, many possibilities.
To Portland:
—- Morris, Covington, Hyland + Filler
—- Morris, Covington and Mann
—- Morris, Batum and Mann
—- Morris, Batum, Hyland + Filler
—- Morris and Powell
—- Covington, Batum and Mann
The first two are most realistic I guess?
And either
—- Holiday to Clippers
Or:
—- Holiday to Philadelphia
—- Harden to Clippers
So yeah, most potential in a three-way trade with Portland, Clippers and Sixers.
Maybe a fourth team, adding K Porter Jr from Houston with extra draft assets going to Portland, who waive him directly.
I don’t believe for a second that Portland asked for Jimmy Butler. That makes no sense on multiple levels.
I don’t. It seemed that from the moment Dame asked for a trade and named Miami as his preferred destination that Cronin was only going to give Miami lip service in spite. He basically said that he didn’t care what Dame wanted as long as he got the most he could for him in a trade. If he asked for ridiculous returns like Butler and Adebayo then he could say “hey, I’m trying but Miami won’t get me a fair deal”. I like the trade from Portland’s standpoint but is it that much better than Herro and 1sts? I’m a Holiday fan but I don’t think he’s worth multiple 1sts on an expiring contract at his age.
They will get at least 2 picks for holiday simply due to multiple teams wanting him
If this reporting is accurate, then Damian Lillard is just another in a long line of NBA bulls**t, artists of the highest magnitude!!! The NETS?? Seriously??? They have literally nobody worth mentioning in a story about the nets other than maybe Ben Simmons’ ineptitude!!! The Blazers are hands down better than the Nets so if Lillard was ok going there then everything he said surrounding his desire to be dealt was nothing but a giant doodoo pile!
This reeks of defensiveness and justification from the Heat front office. Wait until the Blazers talk to someone (although they might never). Obviously they didn’t ask for Butler, whom they probably don’t even want (they’d have shipped him to a 3rd team). Also, why talk about a “July and August” offer? Did they not make a more recent one? Maybe Portland wasn’t ready to make a deal just then. Was that it? If so, that’s on Riley not the Blazers.
Portland has two future All Stars in Sharpe and Scoot. Ayton is a top 10 center. Simmons is a top 75 player. They will make the playoffs soon.
I’m not that optimistic, it’ll likely take a bit of time. But when this generation of 30+ yr old stars in the NBA age out, in say 3 years, Portland should be emergent like the teams in NO, MEM, and OKC are now. Then hopefully with a couple of years of play-off experience, this team will be in contention.
I’ll add, by then Dame will be on a vet min contract playing back-up to Scoot. I’d love to see it :)